Yup, all that bluster and not a single piece of medical evidence to refute my claims. Go away now.
Steroids in Pro-Wrestling - Yes or no?!
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Seriously if you can come back with anything that medically proves that steroids effect the brain directly, then we'll talk some more, for now I'm done with you. You've got nothing left.
Nation
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In my opinion, it's totally up to the PERSON if they want to take steroids or not. They can be used, in moderation, "fairly" safely (if used correctly..but still have the potential of giving you nasty side effects). So if someone wants to take that risk then so be it, the risk is there's to take.
On that note, in my opinion, if a wrestling promotion wants to keep their workers healthy and safe then they have an obligation to make sure they do everything in their power to keep them that way. I think it's a great thing that the WWE has a "no steroids" policy in place. I'm just not convinced that they actually follow it.
On that note, in my opinion, if a wrestling promotion wants to keep their workers healthy and safe then they have an obligation to make sure they do everything in their power to keep them that way. I think it's a great thing that the WWE has a "no steroids" policy in place. I'm just not convinced that they actually follow it.
THE Brian Kendrick's Biceps
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There should be roids in wrestling because pro wrestling all about big muscular people and its better to see a big man in a main event instead of a little man.
THE Brian Kendrick's Biceps
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LOL! You imbecile Benoit was taking a 10 month supply a month! THATS YOUR MEDICAL EVIDENCE YOU PATHETIC SELF-DELUSIONAL smurf! YOURE NOT DESENSTIZED, BUT CHOOSE TO STILL BELIEVE IN SANTA CLAUSE CAUSE YOU FEEL YOULL GET MORE OUT OF WATCHING WRESTLING THAT WAY! YOURE TELLING ME YOU HAVE A MASTERS DEGREE IN PSYCHOLOGY, BUT YOURE 19 YOU STUPID LITTLE BITCH! IVE GIVEN YOU TIME ON THIS THREAD SIMPLY BECAUSE YOURE THE ADMINISTRATOR AND MOD, AND IT CERTAINLY WASNT BECAUSE YOU PRESENTED ANY GOOD ARGUMENT! LIL smurf DO YOU HONESTLY THINK I WOULD GIVE THE TIME OF DAY TO SOMEONE IN CONVERSATION THAT BELIEVES DAVE BATISTA ISNT JUICING?! You actually get a mental boost from this?! You are pathetic, and to the degree to where you banned me so I couldnt retort. You have no heart, but pose like you do. Ban me punk, and try not to edit my post cause it pops your bubble.
Nation and Deadite please dont forget to lick the balls when youre done with Monkey. Seriously guys I wanted to exchange in some intelligent insightful conversation that got heated, but this is sad.
Yeah you win, and Im sorry I was delusional in thinking steroids, painkillers, and narcotics (moreso in the 80s w/narcotics cause there was a cocaine epidemic in the WWF locker room then - oh you didnt know that?! Im shocked.) arent killing prowrestlers faster than ANY form of business on our planet besides the military. Thats a statistical FACT.
Ive actually workeed backstage for a local promotion, and met some people that got big in the business. Ive spoke to many stars when booking an event, and it saddens me and pisses me off that with the internet available at your fingertips you choose to pose intelligent then be intelligent. As Kevin Costner said in Dances With Wolves "You are not worth talking too."
Go get a subscription to the Wrestling Observer Newsletter, and smarten up if you want to contribute to the business you adore. Right now youre just pilot fish. Medical evidence....
Nation and Deadite please dont forget to lick the balls when youre done with Monkey. Seriously guys I wanted to exchange in some intelligent insightful conversation that got heated, but this is sad.
Yeah you win, and Im sorry I was delusional in thinking steroids, painkillers, and narcotics (moreso in the 80s w/narcotics cause there was a cocaine epidemic in the WWF locker room then - oh you didnt know that?! Im shocked.) arent killing prowrestlers faster than ANY form of business on our planet besides the military. Thats a statistical FACT.
Ive actually workeed backstage for a local promotion, and met some people that got big in the business. Ive spoke to many stars when booking an event, and it saddens me and pisses me off that with the internet available at your fingertips you choose to pose intelligent then be intelligent. As Kevin Costner said in Dances With Wolves "You are not worth talking too."
Go get a subscription to the Wrestling Observer Newsletter, and smarten up if you want to contribute to the business you adore. Right now youre just pilot fish. Medical evidence....
PeepShow
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Nobody has said in here that he isn't, that doesn't make any difference though when you're just making shit up as you go along.
CenaMark54
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What was your name on that forum? I used to belong there until I got banned for liking Cena.
Are you the guy who would post a steriod thread every day and talk about bringing your 6 year old to events to yell at all the wrestlers you thought were on steriods?
No Im not that person, and my handle was Rob34207 there also. I got banned for calling the mods tools because they argued not that steroids didnt exist in PWrestling (like this Monkeystyle), but that they could care less. Monkeys bad, but just a kid. Those guys were LITERALLY trying to arrange drug deals with each other over the forum, and said in regards to my steroid thread "Youre trying to ruin it for the rest of us!". AUGH! Needless to say that threw me into spaz/disgust mode.
I guarantee Monkeystyle that if you read Dave Meltzers Wrestling Observer you will...
1. Realize that you knew just enough about the business to get into trouble. Screw Dave Batista - Jeff Hardy is juicing even. You think Im just talkin shit?! Well Im not. See Rey Mysterio from WCW, and compare him to WWE. BIG difference! Its a necessity for the boys to juice or theyll lose their spot. McMahon loves size, and too much. Whenever business went into a slump he always goes back to the big juicer look of the 80s.
2. You would enjoy the weekly sheet AS MUCH AS your weekly viewing of the shows. Seriously. The business behind the scenes is SO much more fascinating than whats portrayed on TV or the "in depth" interviews done with wrestlers themselves even. Even today theres a hushed mouth policy with what goes on.
3. You would know just how critical the overall drug problem is in this business. Steroids in such massive amounts cause behavioral problems. Monkey if you ask for medical proof of that Ill give up on you altogether because youre too thick to evolve. The wrestlers themselves subscribe to Meltzers Observer, and have for over 20 years. McMahon on many occasions dodgesz public appearances that Meltzer is at too. You dont realize just how much McMahon has rewritten his own company history to his benefit ito the unkowing mainstream.
Theres an overall investigation by 2 departments of the US Govt on the WWE. McMahon has mentioned that himself on RAW, but not made it a storyline focus obviously. McMahon is probably the greatest promoter this business has ever seen, but not best human being by far.
Im not making stuff up Monkeystyle, and admit I might have 20% (being very generous with that #) knowledge of the ins and outs. What I do know though is solid. Alot of wjhat you read on the internet IS concocted. Hence why I quote Meltzer alot. Seriously who'd give two damns about Rob34207 or Monkeystyle when you can read the Observer thats written by someone on almost EVERY big stars cell phone speed dial. No I dont have medical proof of that. lol
I guarantee Monkeystyle that if you read Dave Meltzers Wrestling Observer you will...
1. Realize that you knew just enough about the business to get into trouble. Screw Dave Batista - Jeff Hardy is juicing even. You think Im just talkin shit?! Well Im not. See Rey Mysterio from WCW, and compare him to WWE. BIG difference! Its a necessity for the boys to juice or theyll lose their spot. McMahon loves size, and too much. Whenever business went into a slump he always goes back to the big juicer look of the 80s.
I do know all this, and I just don't care. Its not my business. They may do as they see fit to do with their own bodies. No matter how dumb it may be. I've never said that I think that they should be doing them, its just that its their choice and nobody has any business at all trying to stop them from making a choice to do something that only hurts themselves.
2. You would enjoy the weekly sheet AS MUCH AS your weekly viewing of the shows. Seriously. The business behind the scenes is SO much more fascinating than whats portrayed on TV or the "in depth" interviews done with wrestlers themselves even. Even today theres a hushed mouth policy with what goes on.
I've read the Observer before. It is a good read, but man its not the be all end all. Call me an eternal skeptic.
3. You would know just how critical the overall drug problem is in this business. Steroids in such massive amounts cause behavioral problems. Monkey if you ask for medical proof of that Ill give up on you altogether because youre too thick to evolve. The wrestlers themselves subscribe to Meltzers Observer, and have for over 20 years. McMahon on many occasions dodgesz public appearances that Meltzer is at too. You dont realize just how much McMahon has rewritten his own company history to his benefit ito the unkowing mainstream.
The drug problem exists due to abuse. You mentioned that Benoit's issues were due to steroids. Any complications that arose were due to the abuse of the drug. You said it yourself, 10 month supply a month. That's abuse, and not responsible usage. The drug problem isn't because guys are doing drugs. Drugs are for the most part ok in moderation. Its the fact that they are abusing the drugs that is causing problems. There's a certain amount of personal responsibility that needs to be accepted by the wrestlers that is not being taken. Its not the drug, its them. When you start to blame the drug for problems that you're having its not the drug its you, and you need to stop. But they don't. They're being stupid by ruining their lives and not seeking help. There is a drug problem in wrestling, but its created by the individual, not drug, and not the company.
Theres an overall investigation by 2 departments of the US Govt on the WWE. McMahon has mentioned that himself on RAW, but not made it a storyline focus obviously. McMahon is probably the greatest promoter this business has ever seen, but not best human being by far.
There may be, but its my opinion that drugs should be legal (that's a whole other argument right there) so I pretty much consider the investigation to be pretty bogus.
Im not making stuff up Monkeystyle, and admit I might have 20% (being very generous with that #) knowledge of the ins and outs. What I do know though is solid. Alot of wjhat you read on the internet IS concocted. Hence why I quote Meltzer alot. Seriously who'd give two damns about Rob34207 or Monkeystyle when you can read the Observer thats written by someone on almost EVERY big stars cell phone speed dial. No I dont have medical proof of that. lol
I respect Meltzer. But he has his own personal biases which I don't agree with. Its just a matter of personal opinion.
1. Realize that you knew just enough about the business to get into trouble. Screw Dave Batista - Jeff Hardy is juicing even. You think Im just talkin shit?! Well Im not. See Rey Mysterio from WCW, and compare him to WWE. BIG difference! Its a necessity for the boys to juice or theyll lose their spot. McMahon loves size, and too much. Whenever business went into a slump he always goes back to the big juicer look of the 80s.
I do know all this, and I just don't care. Its not my business. They may do as they see fit to do with their own bodies. No matter how dumb it may be. I've never said that I think that they should be doing them, its just that its their choice and nobody has any business at all trying to stop them from making a choice to do something that only hurts themselves.
2. You would enjoy the weekly sheet AS MUCH AS your weekly viewing of the shows. Seriously. The business behind the scenes is SO much more fascinating than whats portrayed on TV or the "in depth" interviews done with wrestlers themselves even. Even today theres a hushed mouth policy with what goes on.
I've read the Observer before. It is a good read, but man its not the be all end all. Call me an eternal skeptic.
3. You would know just how critical the overall drug problem is in this business. Steroids in such massive amounts cause behavioral problems. Monkey if you ask for medical proof of that Ill give up on you altogether because youre too thick to evolve. The wrestlers themselves subscribe to Meltzers Observer, and have for over 20 years. McMahon on many occasions dodgesz public appearances that Meltzer is at too. You dont realize just how much McMahon has rewritten his own company history to his benefit ito the unkowing mainstream.
The drug problem exists due to abuse. You mentioned that Benoit's issues were due to steroids. Any complications that arose were due to the abuse of the drug. You said it yourself, 10 month supply a month. That's abuse, and not responsible usage. The drug problem isn't because guys are doing drugs. Drugs are for the most part ok in moderation. Its the fact that they are abusing the drugs that is causing problems. There's a certain amount of personal responsibility that needs to be accepted by the wrestlers that is not being taken. Its not the drug, its them. When you start to blame the drug for problems that you're having its not the drug its you, and you need to stop. But they don't. They're being stupid by ruining their lives and not seeking help. There is a drug problem in wrestling, but its created by the individual, not drug, and not the company.
Theres an overall investigation by 2 departments of the US Govt on the WWE. McMahon has mentioned that himself on RAW, but not made it a storyline focus obviously. McMahon is probably the greatest promoter this business has ever seen, but not best human being by far.
There may be, but its my opinion that drugs should be legal (that's a whole other argument right there) so I pretty much consider the investigation to be pretty bogus.
Im not making stuff up Monkeystyle, and admit I might have 20% (being very generous with that #) knowledge of the ins and outs. What I do know though is solid. Alot of wjhat you read on the internet IS concocted. Hence why I quote Meltzer alot. Seriously who'd give two damns about Rob34207 or Monkeystyle when you can read the Observer thats written by someone on almost EVERY big stars cell phone speed dial. No I dont have medical proof of that. lol
I respect Meltzer. But he has his own personal biases which I don't agree with. Its just a matter of personal opinion.
"Its not the drug, its them. When you start to blame the drug for problems that you're having its not the drug its you, and you need to stop. But they don't. They're being stupid by ruining their lives and not seeking help. There is a drug problem in wrestling, but its created by the individual, not drug, and not the company."
That sounds logical, but consider this. If you take a lab rat and inject it with say a painkiller, eventually they gain a tolerance. They need more to get the effect they want. Thats how Louie Spicolli got up to 50-60 Somas A DAY. His case isnt rare MStyle. Alot of guys are taking amounts 20 or more somas a day. Or whichever drug.
Same with Steroids. When they have to juice to keep their job, they do, then youre introducing high risk of abuse. Imo Benoit had as much willpower as many if not more in the business. Thats why he was revered. He wasnt just a star, but "The Man' to the other wrestlers - not Flair. Drugs WILL break the strongest of men down. Ask anyone that knew Jim Hellwig/Ultimate Warrior and the concensus is hes a lunatic. Thats big time juice abuse.
Since its necessary for them to juice, and take painkillers then I say take out the necessity. Without painkillers we lose the high risk tables ladders chairs matches or anything originating from ECW, and no steroids means they shrink. I feel it a necessary sacrifice.
Vince is addicted to juice. Why would he want to feel like hes 58 when he can get that medicinally enhanced pump?! Addictive personalities makeup almost half worlds population so its irresponsible even dellusional to say they can be done in moderation. ProWrestling proves they cant. Nor Painkillers which are even more addictive.
I thought of legalization of drugs to be a good idea at one time. That way we can control them right?! High School kids say they can get high easier than getting drunk because of the laws, but I cant count how many times Ive seen high school keg parties. Nor count the DUIs or deaths. If we are honest with ourselves we want legalization because we want to do drugs. Not to make the world a safer place. Legalization wouldnt help because many never try drugs for the illegal factor. A world where you can buy heroin over the counter would be bleak, and pot makes you stupid. So stupid to where you try other drugs. We have opinions, but those are the clinical facts. Hell we arent even responsible with our own gun laws now, and we want to introduce drugs legally?! Not a good idea.
That sounds logical, but consider this. If you take a lab rat and inject it with say a painkiller, eventually they gain a tolerance. They need more to get the effect they want. Thats how Louie Spicolli got up to 50-60 Somas A DAY. His case isnt rare MStyle. Alot of guys are taking amounts 20 or more somas a day. Or whichever drug.
Same with Steroids. When they have to juice to keep their job, they do, then youre introducing high risk of abuse. Imo Benoit had as much willpower as many if not more in the business. Thats why he was revered. He wasnt just a star, but "The Man' to the other wrestlers - not Flair. Drugs WILL break the strongest of men down. Ask anyone that knew Jim Hellwig/Ultimate Warrior and the concensus is hes a lunatic. Thats big time juice abuse.
Since its necessary for them to juice, and take painkillers then I say take out the necessity. Without painkillers we lose the high risk tables ladders chairs matches or anything originating from ECW, and no steroids means they shrink. I feel it a necessary sacrifice.
Vince is addicted to juice. Why would he want to feel like hes 58 when he can get that medicinally enhanced pump?! Addictive personalities makeup almost half worlds population so its irresponsible even dellusional to say they can be done in moderation. ProWrestling proves they cant. Nor Painkillers which are even more addictive.
I thought of legalization of drugs to be a good idea at one time. That way we can control them right?! High School kids say they can get high easier than getting drunk because of the laws, but I cant count how many times Ive seen high school keg parties. Nor count the DUIs or deaths. If we are honest with ourselves we want legalization because we want to do drugs. Not to make the world a safer place. Legalization wouldnt help because many never try drugs for the illegal factor. A world where you can buy heroin over the counter would be bleak, and pot makes you stupid. So stupid to where you try other drugs. We have opinions, but those are the clinical facts. Hell we arent even responsible with our own gun laws now, and we want to introduce drugs legally?! Not a good idea.