So, is this what we wanted for?

[The Rated R CMStar]

For months, since the signing of Bryan Danielson with WWE, people have been talking about possible scenarios for his debut, going from squashing people on Raw and Smackdown, to squashing main eventers, to just appearing on ECW and being a contender for the belt. Now, we know we are not getting any of that, but instead we are getting Daniel Bryan as the top of the class in the new show, NXT.

However, most scenarions concurred with one thing...it would be a crime for WWE to not talk about Danielson's past in the indys, at least make a brief mention of it. Well, check WWE.com, listen to the announcers, not only are they mention it, but that's the entire selling point for Daniel Bryan's character, and they have already created a feud so to speak against The Miz with their clash of personalities and the fact that they have even acknowledged the talk of people of Bryan knowing more than The Miz in WWE.com

So, is this how you envitioned Danielson coming into WWE? (you know, except for the Ultimate Fighter atmosphere he's coming in)

 

[noumenon]

I don't think it's a bad idea at all. I think people are very divided on Danielson... some feeling he's God's gift to wrestling and others thinking he's just a vastly over hyped indies guy. I personally stand on the latter side of the fence with this one. TBH, not enough people have really heard of the guy to thrust him into the WWE and assume he's going to get himself insanely over. Unlike CM Punk he really doesn't have a very stand out character or image to get him over with the majority of the audience. Bringing the almost unavoidable issues of his past and standing in a lot of wrestling fans eyes would have created more problems then it would have been worth.
This honestly sounds like a great idea to me. Perhaps Danielson can play the ungrateful and unwilling student to Miz's attempts to hone him and bring out some form of personality. Giving a guy severely lacking in charisma a start up "feud" or angle with one of the most charismatic guys in the company is by no means a bad idea. For anyone who expected this guy to rocket straight to the top you're pretty delusional...in my eyes the guy has a LONG way to go before he's WWE main event material.

 

[straight_edge76]

I think me and noumenon are two of the only ones on IWF to think that Danielson is just a overhyped indie dude.

Danielson (or "Boring SON!" as I sometimes refer to him) brings nothing that sets him apart from the rest of the crowd imo. Unlike some other former Indy standouts (Punk, Samoa Joe etc.) he lacks the look/character to garnish the mainstream fans that Punk and Joe have respectively. His moveset is extremely bland imo (I am sure to catch alot of shit for that) but he is nothing more then another mat wrestler with no character (Charlie Haas anyone?) I have heard comparisons to Benoit. I honestly don't see it. Benoit was never looked at as a great mic worker but he could at the very least cut a passable promo and make you care about a match he is in. Danielson not so much.

The best thing for the WWE to do with him on NXT is create a sort of animosity between him and The Miz. Danielson could very easily come off a as guy who feels that 'he is a better wrestler' then The Miz. The Miz could constantly knock his lack of charisma and character. Which could subsequentially (sp?) lead to a potential feud/match in the WWE.

 

[MizMasta3000]

Danielson has the ability to get the crowd behind while cutting a promo. He's no CM Punk interesting but he can make you care. And his ring work is phenomenal. The only reason he is in FCW and not starting on the main roster is because he requested so.

 

[xtremebadass]

Everyone has a rough entry into the WWE. Danielson shouldn't be any different. It was either make his name on a crappy show like ECW or try something a little different like this NXT show. How he starts really doesn't matter it's where he ends up after his entry that matters.

 

[straight_edge76]

Danielson has the ability to get the crowd behind while cutting a promo. He's no CM Punk interesting but he can make you care. And his ring work is phenomenal. The only reason he is in FCW and not starting on the main roster is because he requested so.

But an ROH or any Indy crowd is A THOUSAND TIMES DIFFERENT then a WWE crowd. I am not by any means doubting his ability to succeed in the WWE but many of you have totally unrealistic expectations for him.

 

[Axis]

But an ROH or any Indy crowd is A THOUSAND TIMES DIFFERENT then a WWE crowd. I am not by any means doubting his ability to succeed in the WWE but many of you have totally unrealistic expectations for him.

Are they really that different? Where is your proof? I would argue that they are more similar than you would at first think. When given the chance to use their "indy" characters, wrestlers have traditionally gained a lot of popularity in mainstream companies. CM Punk's "straight-edge" heel stuff has got him his biggest reactions to date. Samoa Joe's "unstoppable submission machine" sky-rocketed him up TNA's roster. Going further back in history, Taz was super over when he first came into the WWF as the "submission machine" that he was in ECW, but his popularity quickly dwindled when he became the random guy that picked on Jerry Lawler for no reason. Raven was pretty much nothing in the WWF. He reached his peak popularity in WCW when he used his ECW gimmick of having his "Flock."

On the other end of the spectrum, Colt Cabana was brought in, completely repackaged and given a new stint (featuring little to no TV time), and he obviously failed to get over. Ignoring the fact that he was nowhere NEAR as over as Punk, Joe, or Danielson in the indys, he was not even able to use the character that he did have.

Danielson is seemingly already going to run with the "best wrestler in the world" gimmick, which is a good start. I would not mind him coming in as an innocent best wrestler, and leaving as the best wrestler with a Miz-like attitude. He did thay very transformation in ROH, and he can replicate it the WWE.

I'm about tired of people throwing out claims with no evidence to back up their claims. So, why is it that you think that indy fans are "1000-times different" than WWE fans?

 

[noumenon]

I don't think he was so much questioning the ability of their gimmicks but more the audience as a whole. WWE is widely marketed towards children today who for the majority aren't looking at technical wrestling ability as their main selling point on a character. A gimmick based solely on WRESTLING may get over in ROH with more purist fans and an older crowd... but look a someone like Hornswoggle..would that shit ever fly in ROH?

 

[straight_edge76]

WWE is widely marketed towards children today who for the majority aren't looking at technical wrestling ability as their main selling point on a character.

Which is one of the main reasons that I am not 100% sold on Danielson's potential to be a huge player in the WWE.

 

[Axis]

Your Hornswoggle analogy is flawed. We are talking about taking somebody from the indys and making them mainstream, not the other way around. Just because A includes B does not mean that B includes A. Mainstream wrestling is far more diverse than the indy scene, as far as "accepted" characters go.

 

[noumenon]

Yeah, I get what you're saying...and it's true. There's no doubt the guy has a massive fan base. But seeing as you know more about him than I do here's a question. Do you think ROH loyalists and purists are going to follow Danielson over to WWE?

 

[xtremebadass]

You can be a terrible wrestling and be the biggest star in the WWE. Being able to wrestling expertly is not even a factor in the WWE these days. Just as long as you know a couple moves that they can market properly is all you need. You do need a big personality, that is the biggest factor into superstars these days. From what I have heard Danielson doesn't sound like he has one. I am certain if Danielson EVER becomes something in WWE it won't be anytime soon. I am not saying it won't happen, but Danielson is a REAL pro-wrestler, like legit. REAL athletes/wrestlers with a "decent" personality have tough times getting up the ranks. Look at Swagger and Benjamin.

 

[noumenon]

I wouldn't go as far as to say that at all. People who suck, suck...and the fans know it, even casual fans. Everyone in WWE who is doing anything of value can handle themselves in the ring. Big Show is the notable exception.

 

[straight_edge76]

I am thinking that some of the hardcore ROH/Indy fanbase of Danielson who are strictly smarks and are against any and everything the WWE does will begin to watch Danielson's WWE run unfold. They will I am almost 100% sure that they will be disapointed right off the bat. From what I have seen/read he has a rabit hardcore following but his lack of charisma I think will somewhat hinder his immediate WWE success. Unlike a guy like CM Punk he doesn't have that mainstream type of character and/or charisma. I remember having limited background on CM Punk prior to his WWE debut; but his debut vignette were just as big, if not a bigger part of the Punk hype as his reputation as an independant guy.

 

[noumenon]

Yeah, but they're calling it out from the get go. They're blatantly saying ..yeah, this guy is kind of bland but he's a phenomenal wrestler. So I don't think noticing his lack of charisma is going to be anything to get up in arms about... it's pretty much his selling point. They're going to go off Miz's over the top charisma as enough for the both of them to carry this "feud".