Since they're calling up good talents...

[Stopspot]

My friend told me to put it.

Ryder vs Tyson Kidd

Kinda the same situation to be honest. Zack has more of a character but put the two in the ring and Kidd is gonna make Ryder look like a joke.

 

[Dolph'sZiggler]

Kinda the same situation to be honest. Zack has more of a character but put the two in the ring and Kidd is gonna make Ryder look like a joke.

Since when does one worker being a better in ring wrestler mean he is going to make the other guy look like a joke? dafuq @ this logic

 

[Stopspot]

Since when does one worker being a better in ring wrestler mean he is going to make the other guy look like a joke? dafuq @ this logic

I approach it from an in ring standpoint. I'm a whore for ring work.

 

[Dolph'sZiggler]

I approach it from an in ring standpoint. I'm a whore for ring work.

I understood that part. I don't understand how one worker being great and the other less so means the lesser worker is going to 'get embarrassed'. In most cases the superior worker will carry the lesser talent to a better match than they would otherwise have. If one guy is working his style and a guy like Kidd or Neville does theres and it happens to includes some cool moves, it doesn't mean the Ryder of this hypothetical scenario is being embarrassed or made to look bad.

 

[Stopspot]

I understood that part. I don't understand how one worker being great and the other less so means the lesser worker is going to 'get embarrassed'. In most cases the superior worker will carry the lesser talent to a better match than they would otherwise have. If one guy is working his style and a guy like Kidd or Neville does theres and it happens to includes some cool moves, it doesn't mean the Ryder of this hypothetical scenario is being embarrassed or made to look bad.

Depends on the match I guess. If the scenario is that both wrestlers are to get a lot of offence in and look even then what you say rings through. But if the feud is to be one sided/made to make one guy look the dominant one for lets say a push then I think the better worker if he is the guy being pushed will end up making the guy he is going over look like a chump just by motion (but that can of course also be because of the booking) and I guess that was how I subconsciously approached the hypothetical scenario of Ryder v Kidd, with Ryder as nothing but a jobber in a jobber program.

 

[Dolph'sZiggler]

Jobber program? Take it easy. Kidd vs Ryder could sell out MSG

edit: I see your point, but think there are plenty of ways for the lesser worker to stay afloat in the match. For instance if Ryder is the face his selling (which he is great at) and crowd interaction would be his biggest strengths in the match. Obviously though he can't match Tyson Kidd spot for spot.

 

[Snowman1]

Think you're underestimating Ryder tbh. Yeah his ringwork sucked during his regular push but he's plenty athletic and experienced enough to hold his own against guys like Kidd and Neville.
Especially Tyson who can make a pretty good ring general to make sure the match delivers.

 

[seabs]

Zack hasn't had a bad match has he? Like a proper match not some squash Bs.

 

[Danielson]

I think many would agree with me that Bryan vs Rollins is more of a dream match than ambrose at this point.

 

[Swift]

Ohno/Bryan would be good.

 

[Danielson]

Also you don't have to be the best wrestler to have a great match

Example: Punk and Cena had a 5 star match..... Cena....... He isn't awful but Cena has been in a 5 star match and Bryan has not.

 

[Dolph'sZiggler]

Also you don't have to be the best wrestler to have a great match

Example: Punk and Cena had a 5 star match..... Cena....... He isn't awful but Cena has been in a 5 star match and Bryan has not.

'5 star match' is so subjective. You can't just go by what the Observer rates matches.

 

[Crayo]

I think many would agree with me that Bryan vs Rollins is more of a dream match than ambrose at this point.

From an in-ring standpoint, sure. Personally, as Bryan is a huge face right now, I'd rather see Ambrose / Bryan from a story standpoint. The match won't be as good (it won't be bad either), but my God the story could be dream worthy.

 

[Dolph'sZiggler]

I like Rollins, but as far as dream feud go I'm much more interested to see Ambrose getting pushed into those types of feuds than Rollins. Rollins is a stud in the ring but he hasn't done a single thing on the mic or in a segment to draw me in as a fan of his.

 

[Danielson]

'5 star match' is so subjective. You can't just go by what the Observer rates matches.

I don't, just used as a barometer in this example.