Sheamus vs Ryback

[Crayo]

As a heel, yes. I think he could do much better as a heel. I was even mildly entertained by his horribly over pushed start on RAW. He was booked relatively strong and he was attacking ring crew etc, that was cool, he was aggressively ruthless. As a face I despise him, and not because of the typical "IWC loves heels" idea, but because he has zero charisma now.

 

[arianna]

They both suck.

:finger: :GTFO: lease:

 

[seabs]

I agree he isn't as good as some at playing the face but who in the E can actually do that with their style? Even Punk (one of the most charismatic men in professional wrestling) seemed to struggle, also I believed you mentioned questioning Bryan's charisma whilst a face (apologies if it wasn't you). Kofi, Cena and Ryback seem to be the only ones and the last isn't even in their style, it takes a truly natural face to work that element and I concede immediately that Sheamus isn't on that pedestal.

 

[Crayo]

I agree he isn't as good as some at playing the face but who in the E can actually do that with their style? Even Punk (one of the most charismatic men in professional wrestling) seemed to struggle, also I believed you mentioned questioning Bryan's charisma whilst a face (apologies if it wasn't you). Kofi, Cena and Ryback seem to be the only ones and the last isn't even in their style, it takes a truly natural face to work that element and I concede immediately that Sheamus isn't on that pedestal.

Nah I said Bryan wasn't enjoyable to watch but his gimmick was a classical theme, arrive, smile, job. I'm one of the few defenders of Punk's face reign, and I understand the limitations of being a face but even his heel run where he was dominant and had a lot of segments I was only mildly entertained, where as I normally love a good dominant heel (marked hard for Henry and even started to like Big Show).

I just don't know why but someone who is as bad on the mic as Sheamus is needs to be good in the ring and he's not, I know you sometimes defend him but imo he really is not good in the ring. He gets so gassed so fast and a few regular SD users might tell you the same thing here. If he lacks arguably the two most important factors I think it would be hard for me to enjoy him.

 

[seabs]

I agree he does seem to get tired earlier now (never seemed to be a problem before which confused me) but as I said he's a work in progress but he does have the talent and I'll stand by that statement, I agree he did get too much to early and I'm not even a mark for him but sometimes he seems to get a real raw end of the deal from this site IMO. Still opinions are what makes this place enjoyable so we'll agree to chalk it off to a difference?

 

[Crayo]

NO CHALKING, I'M RIGHT.

Yeah but seriously, can I ask if you think he could amount to the top WWE face like Vince obviously wants him to (or more so HHH)?

 

[seabs]

I'm unsure if he'd ever be the man in the E (takes a special individual to do that and I'm not far enough in that boat) but I'm sure he could be a secondary tier guy such as Orton or Batista before he left providing they give him a bit of time to grow as a performer. The biggest problem is it seems to have gone to his head in a way, possibly explaining the declining cardio. It's there but he has to use it on a more consistent basis.

 

[Swift]

They both suck.

/thread

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[seabs]

So Crayo has your opinion changed on the gap between Rybacks and Sheamus' respective talent levels after last night?

 

[Crayo]

So Crayo has your opinion changed on the gap between Rybacks and Sheamus' respective talent levels after last night?

Nope, I put it down to experience and R'Albins point about Sheamus working better against bigger men. I've said since Ryback has been in the ME that it's an unfortunate but forced mistake, and last night proved it. He looks like a star, and at the end of the night he WAS a star, but the match was pretty poor, he seemed one dimensional and he got no help from the crowd.

Ryback has that it factor, I just don't see it with Sheamus at all.