Saturday Night's Main Event

[Airfixx]

Now Airfixx, first of all, Batista is a great seller, for the type of wrestler he is. Batista could go out, and just squash people for his mere size. Goldberg did it, and it worked for him. However, you see Batista even selling punches as it actually hurt him. That's good for a wrestler of his type.

I'm not Batista's biggest fan, but I'm by no means his worst critic either.

My biggest criticism is that I think he is horrible on the mic. He sounds scripted, yet if his shit is written for him the, damn, write some better shit!

....I fear that Cena will show him up for how bad (IMO) he is.

As for Cena, saying he cannot carry Batista. Well, you are talking about the Batista that needed to be carried, the one of early 2007, but I cant recall a match in this year in which Batista was carried. Maybe, outperformed, but not carried. In fact, in ONS, he carried that match against HBK.

Look at his big match opponenets over the last 18months... Predominantly Taker, Edge & HBK... I think that speaks volumes. Granted, he is much better than he was, but I honestly think he's way off the kind of talent that the afformentioned people (and Cena to a lesser extent) have.

My worry is not that Cena isn't good enough to hold his own, it's whether or no he's good up enough to make up for the afformentioned defecit created by Batista if they're required to have multiple matches whilst keeping them fresh(we saw Cena's still not quite the finished product @ WM23 when he screwed up the finish of the ME.) .

The promos and build up will not be as fun or big as Austin vs Stone Cold, but seriously, if you are going to compare every big feud with that, then you will never find one that lives up (depends on how well MVP vs Kennedy is build in the near future).

It was't really my intial intention to compare the two directly more referencing Austin/Rock because of the KIND of fued it was.

However, Batista has also come a long way on the microphone, especially on his sarcastic remarks and stuff, and Cena, he's on the same league as Austin and Rock.

Maybe it's just me, but I'm certainly not 'feeling' Batista on the mic.

And lol, Cena carried Khali into a a *** match. What makes you think Batista will be more difficult?

I never actually saw their matches, but to emphasise what I stated above. I beleive they CAN have a good match... Whether or not they can have a potential fullfilling long-term fued is, I think, another story.

 

[Kennedy]

I am lookin forward for this Saturdays night main event for a change!

 

[Hardcastle]

Mike, I agree with Airfixx. This is the type of match you save for Wrestlemania.

Rock/Austin has been done on numerous occasions before their wrestlemania main events...Austin/HBK has been done at King Of the Ring 1997, before their WM14 match.
The build up and the atmosphere made the match special, so I have no problem with this Cena/Batista match at Summerslam

 

[Sneeky Bastard]

Just putting my opinion, a I see good points from both of you.

Mike, I agree with Airfixx. This is the type of match you save for Wrestlemania. There are some first timers than you can throw at Summerslam, like Randy Orton vs John Cena, but Cena vs Batista is the biggest match WWE can put at this moment(except Cena vs Taker), and even if I agree that there will be a rematch build upon probably a no finish or screw ending in SS, the first match with epic face off and stuff had to happen at Wrestlemania.


Now Airfixx, first of all, Batista is a great seller, for the type of wrestler he is. Batista could go out, and just squash people for his mere size. Goldberg did it, and it worked for him. However, you see Batista even selling punches as it actually hurt him. That's good for a wrestler of his type.

As for Cena, saying he cannot carry Batista. Well, you are talking about the Batista that needed to be carried, the one of early 2007, but I cant recall a match in this year in which Batista was carried. Maybe, outperformed, but not carried. In fact, in ONS, he carried that match against HBK.

The promos and build up will not be as fun or big as Austin vs Stone Cold, but seriously, if you are going to compare every big feud with that, then you will never find one that lives up(depends on how well MVP vs Kennedy is build in the near future). However, Batista has also come a long way on the microphone, especially on his sarcastic remarks and stuff, and Cena, he's on the same league as Austin and Rock.

And lol, Cena carried Khali into a a *** match. What makes you think Batista will be more difficult?

Ummm im sorry but did you just say that Cena is in the same damn league with the rock & austin!?!?


Btw, I think MVP Vs. Kennedy will be such a great rivery if they get it going. That match deserves to be in WM, f*** tista vs. cena.

 

[Moonlight Drive]

I think Cena is on the same level with Rock & austin in terms of match quality, but he is not better, they are two of the greatest of all time, Cena isn't even halfway there

 

[xtremebadass]

Cena is on the same level as the Rock and Austin like it or not. He is the most popular thing in the company, he has a huge fan base, despite age, he is on commercials, movies, he is main stream. If you start out as a wrestler and become main stream, then you join that league. Plus the guy made and title belt that it now synonomous with wrestling in general. They put his face on all merchandise. You know you see all the little hispanic kids walking around in random places with the bootleg Cena shirts. Cena is at award shows, he represents WWE in the proper way. He isn't gutter trash, he is proper, and respectful, which gives WWE and Cena himself a good image. It's all about image and popularity in wrestling, if you can wrestle or not.

 

[Moonlight Drive]

I do have to agree there, John Cena is the face of WWE and will probably be for a while. But I still don't believe Cena/Batista can be compared in anyway to Rock/Austin, who put on incredible matches and promos, and it is probably THE greatest feud ever

But Batista is overrated, enough said. He is nowhere near Rock, Austin or Cena

 

[Wordlife]

Cena is on the same level as the Rock and Austin like it or not. He is the most popular thing in the company, he has a huge fan base, despite age, he is on commercials, movies, he is main stream. If you start out as a wrestler and become main stream, then you join that league. Plus the guy made and title belt that it now synonomous with wrestling in general. They put his face on all merchandise. You know you see all the little hispanic kids walking around in random places with the bootleg Cena shirts. Cena is at award shows, he represents WWE in the proper way. He isn't gutter trash, he is proper, and respectful, which gives WWE and Cena himself a good image. It's all about image and popularity in wrestling, if you can wrestle or not.

that... by far, is the most true-ist thing anyone can ever say about Cena. I myself am sorta a big fan of his, and with what xba said made total sense... he is so damn popular, he does so many commericals and movies, he is in a main event basically every show/ppv, he is "the shit" right now in the wwe. LOL at the lil mexican kids walking around with bootleg Cena shirts, lmao I see about two everyday no lies

 

[J]

Cena is on the same level as the Rock and Austin like it or not. He is the most popular thing in the company, he has a huge fan base, despite age, he is on commercials, movies, he is main stream. If you start out as a wrestler and become main stream, then you join that league. Plus the guy made and title belt that it now synonomous with wrestling in general. They put his face on all merchandise. You know you see all the little hispanic kids walking around in random places with the bootleg Cena shirts. Cena is at award shows, he represents WWE in the proper way. He isn't gutter trash, he is proper, and respectful, which gives WWE and Cena himself a good image. It's all about image and popularity in wrestling, if you can wrestle or not.

I agree when people who don't even watch wrestling know this guy in and out. There is no way you can say he's not on the same level as The Rock and Hogan.

 

[Moonlight Drive]

Nobody will ever be as over as Rock and Hogan, that's a simple fact I'm willing to put money on

 

[Wordlife]

ok Rock/Austin was amazing, Batista/Cena shoulda been hyped more, it would have been a huge amazement, instead i think it may be a total bust at SS... hopefully theres a rematch the next night on Raw (lol cause im goin to it, XBA see ya there)

 

[Sneeky Bastard]

Cena is on the same level as the Rock and Austin like it or not. He is the most popular thing in the company, he has a huge fan base, despite age, he is on commercials, movies, he is main stream. If you start out as a wrestler and become main stream, then you join that league. Plus the guy made and title belt that it now synonomous with wrestling in general. They put his face on all merchandise. You know you see all the little hispanic kids walking around in random places with the bootleg Cena shirts. Cena is at award shows, he represents WWE in the proper way. He isn't gutter trash, he is proper, and respectful, which gives WWE and Cena himself a good image. It's all about image and popularity in wrestling, if you can wrestle or not.

Ok..i will tell you my opinion on this. Cena isn't on the same level, the whole crowd responce was the right way with Ausitn/Rock. Cena is a babyface and gets booed by at least half of the fans. Then you have the rock and austin who is cheered when baby face and booed when heel. He's on commericals, and movies because Vince wants him to be there. Vince is the whole key on why cena is on the spotlight, if Vince liked someone else then we would be here talking about him. I don't know what synonmous means but i hate the Cena belt and REAL wrestling fans are with me on that, it disgraces all legends who have held the wwf/e belt in everyway. Once again they put his face on all merchandise becasue of Vince and how little Kids and girls like him because he "never backs down" and he is "So hot". I like that Cena represents WWE in a proper way. I respect that he respects it but i don't like how he is shoved in our faces and always in the spotlight even tho he isnt in the title hunt. If you don't believe me then why was Cenas match the 2nd last and the main event for Raw. He does have popularity, but in all the wrong ways. I see things on him where people want to kill the guy, matter of fact my brother hates him to that point where he stopped watching it. When Cena was champ, i stop watching it because how boring he was and he is truely a negative thing in WWE for making it much more kiddy. I remember when it was such a kool thing to watch WWE and now it's embarrasing mainly because of how boring the guy is and how kiddy it got. Now....he is good for some reasons but not on matches, he really needs to become heel or soemthing because with his gimmik no body can get over, maybe they could if they where HHH or if they cheated but other then that they can't. Cenas never back down gimmick is bullshit because everytime it's the usuall. Cena alwasy is losing in the begining but then he hits spin-out powerbomb, 5 knuckle shuffle, f-u, stf-u and then wins...it's bullshit to guys who want to be something. Anyway, i know i seem like a complete hater but im just pointing out the bad things, he does have good things but the bad things are just too much.

 

[Moonlight Drive]

Hmm, you mustn't have watched The Rock too much. I can remember many a time when a heel Rock would cut a promo and get a 'Rocky, Rocky' chant.

And how was Cena's reign boring? He put on a great LMS match with Umaga, TLC with Edge, Wrestlemania ME with HBK, the Backlash 4 Way was great, his feud with Orton, Cena's reign was great. He pulled at least a 3 star match out of Khali. So his reign was boring because why? Because he won? You would've rather seen Khali or Umaga as champion? HBK and Cena put on awesome matches, like did most of Cena's feuds. It was a great reign, I don't see why people hate it

 

[The Outkast Kid]

Ok ^(Sneeky Bastard)^ WOW! To say that Cena is bad for the WWE is crazy. You dont like Cena because hes over, and his whole gimmick is about getting over and never backing down. Austin and Rock were over...I remember watching matches where Rock would be getting his ass whooped, a sudden clothesline, a few crazy right hands, the crowd was in it. Before you knew it rock bottom the elbow 3 count. Its the same shit, the only thing that makes it different is because the gimmick is based on getting over. IDK why people have a problem with Cena.

When I was on the other page I was going to make the exact post XBA did. Cena is totally on the level that Austin Rock were. I would go so far to say that Tista is walking the line. Sure Tista isnt as over but he is still great in the ring. These guys sell good, they get the crowd involved, make the crowd want to cheer. Thats what a good match is about, and when you put two guys in the ring that can do that, you will have a great match. Sure maybe it should have been built a little bit and it seems just thrown together. But give them time, its not even a title fued, this fued will be a great fued like Rock Austin.

To say that REAL wrestling fans believe the spinner belt is a disgrace...the smoking skull belt would fall into the same category then as well. What you have to understand is that things change, the world isnt about the gold and the prestige, its about being flashy, and none of us can deny that the WWE Title is flashy. By making the WWE logo not spin anymore it isnt really a bad looking belt. And the WHC is still there on Raw now for prestige.

But yeah, I will watch this SNME for sure!

And Mike...I CANNOT BELIEVE YOU SAID THAT AUSTIN ROCK WERE THE WORST EVER...OMFG

That means Hogan, Savage, all those guys were bad then...but I suppose that is a different topic completely


EDIT To ^^ I didnt see Cenas whole run but I agree with you. The matches were great, people dont like him because he had a long ass title run and now a days with everyone having ADD...it gets boring or something...

 

[Sneeky Bastard]

Ok....

To -HBK-: Those where ok, but Everyone carried Cena. The Edge match pissed me off so much because it was Edges match and yet Cena still wins. I can't believe you actually think he had a good title reign, he should ONLY be in mid-card.


To Macon X: Cena is bad, have you seen his move set lately? And listen, it's not Cena it's Vince....If Vince got someone else instead of Cena who actually could wrestle and cut a promo where i wont be bored then ill be fine, but the guy sucks. The rock was different, he lost matches when he needed to, he had an more advanced move set then Cena did and he was much....MUCH more entertainign and sold moves wayy better. Same with Austin, yes it's apart of there Gimmick but at least they werent shoved in our face constintly. Bitista is not great in-ring...he botches LOTS of his moves, I bet you think Cena is good in the ring huh? Well i hate to break it to ya....but he sucks...hes awful...he needs the rapper gimmick so he wouldnt be as stale. They don't make the crowd cheer, the crowd doesn't like them...I never heard any one want to go as far enough to kill rock/austin(Maybe when they were a heel and ppl actually believed and thought it was real but thats different.). Many people that i have seen or talked to said they can care-less if he died. It's pathetic. I think they need to do something in Cenas character to make him more human like.

The smoking skull belt was wayy ...wayy! different. It actually had some kool shit on it and it didnt stay as long as the piece of shit spinner did. Seriously, you like that belt? If you do, then no offence man...thats pathetic...That belt is awful looking and it should be burned. Some after Cena will trash the WHC belt and when he does im done. That belt has alot of history and if he does that...just like the wwe belt...it's a spit in the face of people who have had it. I understand why there trying to be flashy but they never did this before and it was working and now...things start not going there way...ratings drop, more kids watch, things that shoudnt happen...happened. its hard to say what the main cause is this for but the majority of why ppl stop is Cena and the belt...Look at websites. People hate the dude, i don't blame them at moments, hes my most disliked and he should be mid-card. He is not good on mic no more, he's getting stale, he needs soemthing to boost him, and in-ring he's the worst i seen since...ever. This is just my opinion and your never going to change that.


Once again...He was carrried those matches and shouldnt have won some. He is horrible when he wrestles, don't believe me? Go serch something with HHH talking about Cena(no kayfabe) and he says that he sucks and needed work...watch.

The SNME looks to be alright....i prolly wont watch it and go out somewhere.