WrestleMania Rock or Cena then?

[seabs]

Cena does more than all of them. He's holds the record for the most make-a-wish grants world wide. Just one example. No question he's one hell of a guy outside of the ring.

Only because he's requested to them. Its an unfair way to judge imo. Just because say Zack Ryder isn't asked to perform as many as Cena makes him have a lower work rate? Plus how many of Cena's matches revolves around his opponent beating him down for the majority of the match? It's not like he's performing anything above bare minimum in most of his matches. I'm not saying he's lazy but he doesn't deserve all the credit he gets for a being a hard worker when many in the company work just as if not harder then him to little or no praise.

 

[Crayo]

He's booked that way. He's the Hulk Hogan of the WWE. Little kids like it more that you can get beat down but still win at the end. And they may request them but think of all the other shit he does, and still manages to fit in so many wish grants. He wouldn't do them if he didn't want to. There must be a reason why all the WWE Superstars say the same thing about Cena, that he's incredibly passionate about WWE and works his absolute ass off. If any of them thought "Hey, I work just as hard if not more" they'd say something.

 

[seabs]

He's booked that way. He's the Hulk Hogan of the WWE. Little kids like it more that you can get beat down but still win at the end. And they may request them but think of all the other shit he does, and still manages to fit in so many wish grants. He wouldn't do them if he didn't want to. There must be a reason why all the WWE Superstars say the same thing about Cena, that he's incredibly passionate about WWE and works his absolute ass off. If any of them thought "Hey, I work just as hard if not more" they'd say something.

I know it's booking but I'm going to quote you here ''he wouldn't do them if he didn't want to''. If he didn't want to be booked that way he'd say so surely? I know he does alot of a shit but would anyone turn down a make a wish request? I've even seen Taker do them, which is big for a guy who seems to really preserve his character. I'm not saying he's not passionate and not a hard worker but it's just kinda disrespectful when people praise Cena but don't praise others because they don't frequently visit as many media appearances as John does. Let's be honest WWE has a monopoly on this business would you really say anything bad about the poster child? Is it worth ruining the chance of working for the biggest company in the world due to a gripe about not getting the credit you deserve?

 

[Crayo]

I know it's booking but I'm going to quote you here ''he wouldn't do them if he didn't want to''. If he didn't want to be booked that way he'd say so surely? I know he does alot of a shit but would anyone turn down a make a wish request? I've even seen Taker do them, which is big for a guy who seems to really preserve his character. I'm not saying he's not passionate and not a hard worker but it's just kinda disrespectful when people praise Cena but don't praise others because they don't frequently visit as many media appearances as John does. Let's be honest WWE has a monopoly on this business would you really say anything bad about the poster child? Is it worth ruining the chance of working for the biggest company in the world due to a gripe about not getting the credit you deserve?

Good point, but there's a difference I think with booking. If his character was the opposite and dominated most matches the opponent wouldn't look strong. Most opponents look strong against Cena in their matches, for a guy as big as he is and how obvious it becomes that he won't lose against "Opponent X", he does make them look good. Ziggler, Punk, and Miz are great examples of that.

You're right, other people do deserve praise and what I like further about Cena is that he gives it. He was pivotal in the rise of Zack Ryder, even in his feud with The Miz he said (and I quote) "CeNation. I do not think there is anyone in the WWE that works harder outside the ring than The Miz. That type of effort is truly amazing" and also said ""It is great to see other superstars so passionate about this brand. His work does not go un noticed.".

 

[Sage.]

Saw that tweet too. Cena is a hell of a guy like you say outside the ring. I bet he's as frustrated with anyone about his stale character, he gets unfair amounts of stick.

 

[seabs]

Good point, but there's a difference I think with booking. If his character was the opposite and dominated most matches the opponent wouldn't look strong. Most opponents look strong against Cena in their matches, for a guy as big as he is and how obvious it becomes that he won't lose against "Opponent X", he does make them look good. Ziggler, Punk, and Miz are great examples of that.

You're right, other people do deserve praise and what I like further about Cena is that he gives it. He was pivotal in the rise of Zack Ryder, even in his feud with The Miz he said (and I quote) "CeNation. I do not think there is anyone in the WWE that works harder outside the ring than The Miz. That type of effort is truly amazing" and also said ""It is great to see other superstars so passionate about this brand. His work does not go un noticed.".

He can make people look strong I agree but he can make people look like crap. Such as the I quit match with Miz were he and Riley destroyed Cena for 40 minutes just for Cena to throw Riley into a table hit Miz twice with a kendo stick then put him in the STF for about 30 seconds top. Not to mention the whole Nexus firing issue he went threw.

Cena does seem to be good when wanting to put guys over but if he was really behind it why doesn't he agree to put someone over clean? The last person who beat him clean was I believe Sheamus in 2009. He surely could say to Vince, with him being the top of the tree that he wants to let Punk get a clean win. Summerslam was a prime opportunity for Punk to get that clean win. I know it's down to Vince but if he John wants someone to go over him clean Vince isn't going to risk losing his cash cow by disagreeing with him is he? It could be a case of John being too good an employee and just taking what he's given.

 

[Crayo]

He can make people look strong I agree but he can make people look like crap. Such as the I quit match with Miz were he and Riley destroyed Cena for 40 minutes just for Cena to throw Riley into a table hit Miz twice with a kendo stick then put him in the STF for about 30 seconds top. Not to mention the whole Nexus firing issue he went threw.

Cena does seem to be good when wanting to put guys over but if he was really behind it why doesn't he agree to put someone over clean? The last person who beat him clean was I believe Sheamus in 2009. He surely could say to Vince, with him being the top of the tree that he wants to let Punk get a clean win. Summerslam was a prime opportunity for Punk to get that clean win. I know it's down to Vince but if he John wants someone to go over him clean Vince isn't going to risk losing his cash cow by disagreeing with him is he? It could be a case of John being too good an employee and just taking what he's given.

Completely agree, that Miz and Nexus situation was diabolical. But I do think WWE do have that power still even if John is their major face. This is Vince McMahon, one of the most stubborn bosses in the world lmao. WWE booking/creative was at fault for both of those I think. Their logic was probably "Miz beat Cena for 40 minutes of the match, he looks strong now lets end it" rather than thinking "Miz beats up cena for 40 minutes, and gets beat in like 5".

Cena's loss over Sheamus wasn't even clean, they booked it as Cena slipping. This is why I don't think it's up to Cena, he wouldn't want to not lose clean for like 3 years now. That's part of the unnecessary heat Cena receives from the IWC, they think he controls his whole character. I can't think for one minute that Cena wants to be the stale character, that he wants to eventually beat everyone in a feud, I just can't see that personally.

 

[Tzesi]

Last time I remember Cena losing is with his feud with Booker T.
It was for the WWE championship (or US) and the winner would be the first to win 3 times.
Cena actually won 3-2.


I would want the Rock to win

 

[Crayo]

Suppose that does count as a loss. Iron man match with Randy Orton, Orton got a lot of clean pinfalls but didn't come out the victor.

Anyway, Rock winning would damage WWE though. A lot.

 

[CM Punk]

Agreed, I doubt WWE want a guy who's going to be their temporarily to win unless they have a Summerslam Rematch. They don't want to bury their biggest star.

 

[seabs]

Agreed, I doubt WWE want a guy who's going to be their temporarily to win unless they have a Summerslam Rematch. They don't want to bury their biggest star.

Is it even possible for cena to be buried now though? He's been protected for the past 6 years. Im starting to think Vince is gonna have rock win to give the people what they want have cena snap because he can't beat rock setting up a re match at ss. Vince did say rock would be working more dates post mania after all.

 

[Crayo]

Is it even possible for cena to be buried now though? He's been protected for the past 6 years. Im starting to think Vince is gonna have rock win to give the people what they want have cena snap because he can't beat rock setting up a re match at ss. Vince did say rock would be working more dates post mania after all.

It's about the companies image though. If Rock wins, casuals will go on about how Rock (from attitude era <3) beat Cena, and Cena is booked as the strongest WWE Superstar (kayfabe), it will most certainly damage the company. No way is Cena losing, I'm calling it. Maybe Cena is about to lose, turns heel in the process and cheats a win. Or wins clean, goes to shake hands but FU's him. :coolgun::coolgun:

I just can't see Rock winning. It's in his hometown which means a cheated victory thus heel turn for Cena will be huge.

 

[CM Punk]

Is it even possible for cena to be buried now though? He's been protected for the past 6 years. Im starting to think Vince is gonna have rock win to give the people what they want have cena snap because he can't beat rock setting up a re match at ss. Vince did say rock would be working more dates post mania after all.

It doesn't matter if Cena loses at this point. He's way over and will still get the same reaction.

 

[Phenom1]

I think this could go either way. I imagine this more like the passing of the torch for example when Hogan lost to the Rock at Wrestlemania.

I agree with Crayo that maybe the WWE will want to protect Cena as he is the face of the company.

 

[Crayo]

I think this could go either way. I imagine this more like the passing of the torch for example when Hogan lost to the Rock at Wrestlemania.

I agree with Crayo that maybe the WWE will want to protect Cena as he is the face of the company.

Yeah, I'm 99% sure it will be that scenario. But in modern day, Cena going over Rock and Rock shaking hands with him won't be an iconic moment, it'll be one of the most anti-climatic Wrestlemania's in history, and people won't be happy with it, especially Miami. So I'm convinced they might go with it and have Cena win, Rock goes for handshake and Cena just beats the crap out of him turning heel. Or perhaps cheat to beat Rock, which won't look good for WWE but at least we'll have a heel Cena.