Rhodes/Dibiase- Not enough character development

[The Rated R CMStar]

Because them being the new Evolution or not even Evolution had things for Orton and Batista to do. Weather you saw them being in the main event after the faction broke up or not was a different thing but Orton had the 7 month IC Title run while Batista and flair held the tag team titles. They were given a roll to do on the roster not just lackeys for Triple H and Flair.

You are talking about 2004, hardly the beginning of Evolution

 

[Luke Flywalker]

Everyone's so fucking stupid. They just started Legacy heading into Orton's big push. They're obviously using them to help him get to WrestleMania and win the belt (although rumors say he may not win it at all). Of course being teamed with Orton, they're going to be outshadowed heading into Mania. They needed them to push this feud further.

After WrestleMania, the focus probably will be on them, especially if Orton wins the belt. He'll probably push the two of them to get their hands on tag titles and/or solo titles. DiBiase is already claiming to have a new look for the million dollar belt, and has said this in multiple interviews already, so they'll probably push that on people as well. Shit, perhaps they'll win the unified tag belts and they'll use the million dollar belt design as a new tag belt for these two and the Priceless gimmick.

It's far too early to call 'em Orton's. And it's far too early to say they do nothing. They've already given us glimpses into their tag team future as far as moves, etc. They've been tag champs already, albeit on a fluke victory. There's a million (no pun intended) things they can do right with these two (and three if you involve Orton as well). Don't write it off just yet. You seriously think they've already cast Rhodes and DiBiase aside? WWE has something big planned for these two.



Also, they've stayed and fought while Orton ran vs. Shane. Cody & Ted took a shot to the head by Hunter while Orton ran. At the beginning of Evolution, it was the same. All about Triple H. Flair was just there in the back with Orton and Batista as hired muscle in case someone threatened Hunter... like Show. It took a while before Orton got his IC title run. Orton didn't even start the legend killer thing until Foley became a problem and tried to tell Orton he was better off without Evolution. And it took a while before Flair and Dave got in the ring as tag partners. All the focus was on making/keeping Triple H champion.

Some of you are acting so clueless just so you can put the E and these guys down. It's WrestleMania 25, for the WWE championship. This is the biggest feud they have right now. Of course they're going to push the hell out of it and use Legacy to back Orton. That's all they can do at the moment. If they took that focus away, people would be complaining about how Orton is in a heel faction that doesn't even assist him. Just wait until after WM25. Again, the WWE isn't going to just write these two off already.

 

[Evil Austin]

You are talking about 2004, hardly the beginning of Evolution

Actually 2004 was the peak of evolution I think. Not quite the begining.
Evolution started around late 2003 if I recall and that's when Batista came to raw injuring Goldberg with that bounty on his head around Armageddon.

But 2004 was the time of Evolution holding all titles from Raw besides Diva's and it was their year. 2005 Was their demise as already at the Rumble, Batista won and went other ways and the WHC title was being defended against Randy. So 2003 was the begining 2004 was the peak and 2005 was the end of Evolution.

That's how I saw it.

 

[The Rated R CMStar]

Actually 2004 was the peak of evolution I think. Not quite the begining.
Evolution started around late 2003 if I recall and that's when Batista came to raw injuring Goldberg with that bounty on his head around Armageddon.

But 2004 was the time of Evolution holding all titles from Raw besides Diva's and it was their year. 2005 Was their demise as already at the Rumble, Batista won and went other ways and the WHC title was being defended against Randy. So 2003 was the begining 2004 was the peak and 2005 was the end of Evolution.

That's how I saw it.

That post just let me speechless.

You were comparing the peak of Evolution (as you said it), to the beginning of Legacy. I said 2004 was hardly the beginning of Evolution, obviously indicating that it started before, and then you flip flop your argument agreeing with me but making it seem as if you were correcting me.

Anyways, RKO Legacy elaborated it more on what I said. WM 25 is about Orton. It's the championship, and even if Monty might be right about being bad that they are not in a match, on the other hand it also makes sense that all sorrounding Orton is focused on Orton and nothing more

 

[Great One]

Also, they've stayed and fought while Orton ran vs. Shane. Cody & Ted took a shot to the head by Hunter while Orton ran. At the beginning of Evolution, it was the same. All about Triple H. Flair was just there in the back with Orton and Batista as hired muscle in case someone threatened Hunter... like Show. It took a while before Orton got his IC title run. Orton didn't even start the legend killer thing until Foley became a problem and tried to tell Orton he was better off without Evolution. And it took a while before Flair and Dave got in the ring as tag partners. All the focus was on making/keeping Triple H champion.

Some of you are acting so clueless just so you can put the E and these guys down. It's WrestleMania 25, for the WWE championship. This is the biggest feud they have right now. Of course they're going to push the hell out of it and use Legacy to back Orton. That's all they can do at the moment. If they took that focus away, people would be complaining about how Orton is in a heel faction that doesn't even assist him. Just wait until after WM25. Again, the WWE isn't going to just write these two off already.

THANK YOU! What are you talking about Mike?! Orton was NOTHING when he first came into Evolution for a pretty long period of time. He was the equivalent or even more of a 'lackey' than Dibiase/Rhodes. AND BATISTA? Are you kidding, he was a fucking nobody until the very END of Evolution. That's when he started to get his character (The Animal.. etc.). Having muscles isn't a character. Cody Rhodes is a pretty boy looking guy, so couldn't that be his character? Orton didn't start developing his until way later as well (Cocky.. Legend Killer), like when he won the IC title, etc. And Evolution ran ALL the damn time with Triple H, even Batista. But the point is, they were of the equivalent of what Dibiase/Rhodes are right now. Orton was that way for longer than Legacy has been around right now. Batista was for probably over a year. Even when he won the titles with Flair, it wasn't like it truly added anything to his character. I agree Dibiase bringing back the Million Dollar belt will certainly do tons for his character. Randy Orton didn't do shit at WM 19 either, QQ. Just wait until after this year's Wrestlemania.

 

[Montana]

Yes CMS, I basically just think Dibiase/Rhodes should be on the WM.


In some respects, I do agree with RKO Legacy on the fact, YES Priceless will get used more after WM. I do see the reasoning behind putting most the emphasis on Orton, However that doesn't change the fact so far Dibiase / Rhodes have been used as Lackeys since joining Orton, however long it is. Which i wouldn't have a huge problem with that now, but I just think they should be used at WM in a match or sorts. This thread is turning too much to Randy Orton this/that. If you look just at Dibiase/Rhodes before joining Legacy. Rhodes was a multi-time tag champ and IC champ. Dibiase was also multi-time tag champ. They even beat Cena and Batista in tag match. Orton aside, he hasn't helped either of those two guys at all, thus far.

As MikeRaw mentioned, adding some character to these guys wouldn't hurt either, but it's only a matter of time.

 

[Luke Flywalker]

Yes CMS, I basically just think Dibiase/Rhodes should be on the WM.


In some respects, I do agree with RKO Legacy on the fact, YES Priceless will get used more after WM. I do see the reasoning behind putting most the emphasis on Orton, However that doesn't change the fact so far Dibiase / Rhodes have been used as Lackeys since joining Orton, however long it is. Which i wouldn't have a huge problem with that now, but I just think they should be used at WM in a match or sorts. This thread is turning too much to Randy Orton this/that. If you look just at Dibiase/Rhodes before joining Legacy. Rhodes was a multi-time tag champ and IC champ. Dibiase was also multi-time tag champ. They even beat Cena and Batista in tag match. Orton aside, he hasn't helped either of those two guys at all, thus far.

As MikeRaw mentioned, adding some character to these guys wouldn't hurt either, but it's only a matter of time.

Dude, they did the SAME SHIT with Orton and Batista in Evolution. They did the SAME SHIT with X-Pac and the NAO with DX. They did the SAME SHIT with the Outsiders in NWO. They did the SAME SHIT with everyone in the Hart Foundation with Bret Hart. They TRIED to do the SAME SHIT with The Rock in the NoD, but his character was too much and Ron Simmons was a nobody. They did the SAME SHIT with Edge & Christian in The Ministry of Darkness.

You make these guys help the top dog out to get his belt. Factions start in the beginning or middle of a big storyline. They tied it in for a REASON. They know these two can help Orton sell WM25 against Hunter and the McMahons. They know it'll lead to these two doing big things later on in the year. This right now is the ROAD to WrestleMania, for the MOST IMPORTANT belt in corporate Professional Wrestling with two of the 5 biggest names IN the company.

You let these guys hype up this storyline no matter how it happens. Hunter is taking two established guys who beat Cena & Batista, and he's establishing his dominant character against them. It doesn't mean they're lackeys or that their careers are slowly being buried before they get started.

You all seriously need to think before you talk on some of these subjects. Legacy is so young that it doesn't even need to be talked about yet. Let them get Orton his belt, and then start making their own moves. There's still rumors they could add a 4th or 5th member, to take some of the heat OFF of Priceless so they could go do something on their own for a while.

 

[†horza13â€]

Well weren't Randy and Batista also HHH's tools to keep regaining the title? I used to think Randy wouldnt amount to what he is now before coming back from his injury. I think it's a little bit early in the game to see the future of Ted and Cody.. Although it is a little irritating how nothing is happening as of late, I think it's cause their just concentrating on Randy's road to the championship til Mania. MAYBE after mania we see some things start to happen.. but for now I think their role is to help Orton win the championship.. If I recall correctly Triple H already had the title so they had no problem with that goal at Evolution. Besides Orton and Batista used to just help Triple H when he feuded with Steiner.. It wasnt till later before they stood out..

 

[Quintastic One]

Yes they are concentrating on Randy Orton and the road to Wrestlemania, I don't think any of the defenders of this Legacy are even willing to acknowledge the argument that the critics are even using. You keep saying that its because they are focusing on Orton wellll

The point, that I will bring up for the 3rd or 4th time now, is that Dibiase & Rhodes were doing BETTER then than they are now. They were better off as a tag team. They got massive mic time, they got big wins and were tag team champions. Even if you have a valid excuse as to why they are not being used in Legacy, every one of you are dodging the fact that they were being MASSIVELY pushed by THEMSELVES. Not pushing Orton, not aiding him, helping themselves. And they were damn good at it.

You quote X-Pac and NAO, who had very little success or focus before they joined DX. DX gave them focus, they helped.

You quote Outsiders in NWO, that's a moot point. Both of those superstars were massive stars before they even joined NWO and as members of NWO they dominated the faces right from the get go. TOTALLY different situation.

You quote The Hart Foundation, which I am assuming your talking about the late 90's one with Brian Pillman. All members involved were good workers, but they weren't highly pushed before they joined, and they weren't highly pushed dare I say even forgotten altogether for some of them after the stable disbanded. So that's a HORRIBLE example of what we can expect to see for Rhodes and Dibiase.

You quote Evolution, which is the only positive argument so far you've offered. But once again just like DX, Orton and Batista joined Evolution with literally ZERO personal success on their own, and joined Evolution and got better. Once again I will reiterate to drill this point over and over, Simply Priceless were doing just fine on their own, and have had massive success for their rookie years in wrestling. They didn't need to join Orton to get over. At all.

You quote The NOD, which I am not even sure why you quoted them in the first place since you already self defeated your own argument. The Rock was already way over and on his way to being a top heel in the company, he joined NOD, tore it apart from the inside, and anyone else who was a member of that faction faded into obscurity. Once again, HORRIBLE argument and HORRIBLE comparison.

And finally you quote Edge & Christian being apart of the Ministry of Darkness. And at this I totally scratch my head in confusion, because the E&C dynamic wasn't even developed until after they left that group. A better example would of been The Brood. But once again, they came into the Brood with ZERO personal success, and made themselves stars. Once again, gonna say this point to the point of exhaustion until someone acknowledges it, Rhodes and Dibiase already had huge personal success. Creative just needed to keep sticking with Simply Priceless as the gimmick, because sticking them with Orton is taking away all that fresh spotlight and all that hard work they put into being over.

YES it makes sense that NOW that they are in Legacy, that their primo goal is to assist Orton at Mania. But in all honesty, Orton didn't need Simply Priceless at all to get this feud over. They have served little more than just cannon fodder towards the big faces of RAW and have done zero in terms of something memorable that makes them stick out. They are Ortons thing 1 and thing 2. Which is ONCE AGAIN a damned shame because Orton didn't need Legacy, and Simply Priceless didn't need Legacy. They turned what was once a bright shining pair of stars on RAW and have turned them into Curt Hawkins and Zack Ryder. As sad as a day it will be, when the inevitable time comes that WWE announces the releasing of Rhodes and Dibiase during next years spring cleaning, I will be here to tell everyone who defended this storyline "I told you so"

 

[Bloodopera]

pushing guys a little slower is the best thing WWE has done in a long while

 

[Montana]

Dude, they did the SAME SHIT with Orton and Batista in Evolution. They did the SAME SHIT with X-Pac and the NAO with DX. They did the SAME SHIT with the Outsiders in NWO. They did the SAME SHIT with everyone in the Hart Foundation with Bret Hart. They TRIED to do the SAME SHIT with The Rock in the NoD, but his character was too much and Ron Simmons was a nobody. They did the SAME SHIT with Edge & Christian in The Ministry of Darkness.

You make these guys help the top dog out to get his belt. Factions start in the beginning or middle of a big storyline. They tied it in for a REASON. They know these two can help Orton sell WM25 against Hunter and the McMahons. They know it'll lead to these two doing big things later on in the year. This right now is the ROAD to WrestleMania, for the MOST IMPORTANT belt in corporate Professional Wrestling with two of the 5 biggest names IN the company.

You let these guys hype up this storyline no matter how it happens. Hunter is taking two established guys who beat Cena & Batista, and he's establishing his dominant character against them. It doesn't mean they're lackeys or that their careers are slowly being buried before they get started.

You all seriously need to think before you talk on some of these subjects. Legacy is so young that it doesn't even need to be talked about yet. Let them get Orton his belt, and then start making their own moves. There's still rumors they could add a 4th or 5th member, to take some of the heat OFF of Priceless so they could go do something on their own for a while.

RKO Legacy, you are SO RIGHT. How could ANYONE have a different opinion than you. You are so smart, it makes Everyone around here just look dumb. Your opinions are so right it scares me. It's funny, I EVEN said i agree'd withy you, but yet I need to think before i open my mouth huh? You clearly must be Vince Mcmahon in disguise. Cause YOU Know how a faction is supposed to work. Clearly the whole wwe revolves around Randy Orton, your favorite, which is why you get so emotional about this. I just said i wanted priceless in a match, and you get bend out of shape. I didn't know RKO Legacy was the police on people voicing their opinions.

They could have done something like WM 20 where it was Orton/Batista/Flair vs Rock/Foley. Yeah, HHH was in a "Big" match, but Orton/Batista had so much potential, you HAVE to put them on the card. I'm not saying Cody Rhodes has tons of potential, but Ted Dibiase certainly does. Priceless is not like the Edgeheads, or the Worlds greatest tag team. These guys have futures, and 5-10 years down the road we could be looking back saying why weren't these guys on the show? I like looking back seeing guys like Rocky Miavia, before he was the ROCK. I like seeing the heart break kid, from back when he was in the Rockers. Just imagine if they held they held guys like Rock, Orton, Austin, HBK from their first Wrestlemania. Not saying Priceless has that much potential, but certainly a step ahead of the Edgeheads or WGTT.

LOL @ Let Randy Orton get his belt. I have no doubt Rhodes/Dibiase will be pushed back to where they were on the card. I just don't like leaving wrestlers with potential off Wrestlemania.


Side note to RKO Legacy: HHH vs Randy Orton is a shitty main event. (see ticket sales)

 

[LKP]

RKO Legacy, you are SO RIGHT. How could ANYONE have a different opinion than you. You are so smart, it makes Everyone around here just look dumb. Your opinions are so right it scares me. It's funny, I EVEN said i agree'd withy you, but yet I need to think before i open my mouth huh? You clearly must be Vince Mcmahon in disguise. Cause YOU Know how a faction is supposed to work. Clearly the whole wwe revolves around Randy Orton, your favorite, which is why you get so emotional about this. I just said i wanted priceless in a match, and get bend out of shape. I didn't know RKO Legacy was the police on people voicing their opinions. I completely understand


They could have done something like WM 20 where it was Orton/Batista/Flair vs Rock/Foley. Yeah, HHH was in a "Big" match, but Orton/Batista had so much potential, you HAVE to put them on the card. I'm not saying Cody Rhodes has tons of potential, but Ted Dibiase certainly does. Priceless is not like the Edgeheads, or the Worlds greatest tag team. These guys have futures, and 5-10 years down the road we could be looking back saying why weren't these guys on the show? I like looking back seeing guys like Rocky Miavia, before he was the ROCK. I like seeing the heart break kid, from back when he was in the Rockers. Just imagine if they held they held guys like Rock, Orton, Austin, HBK from their first Wrestlemania. Not saying Priceless has that much potential, but certainly a step ahead of the Edgeheads or WGTT.

LOL @ Let Randy Orton get his belt. I have no doubt Rhodes/Dibiase will be pushed back to where they were on the card. I just don't like leaving wrestlers with potential off Wrestlemania.


Side note to RKO Legacy: HHH vs Randy Orton is a shitty main event. (see ticket sales)
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As scary as it may seem i agree with you. Although im an obvious Orton fan i think your spot on. Orton vs Hhh we have seen to many times for it to headline Wm25. Its like a 1/4 century old yet they top it off with a match we have seen 1000 times. Priceless are there just to protect Orton if hhh chases him with a sledge hammer. I mean what else can they do apart from trying to look good walking down the ramp and try to act like Orton? They are Randy's lackeys and will always be until they break away from him. Why should they have the tag titles back again? They have not done anything to get them or warrant a tag match have they?

 

[Luke Flywalker]

Montana, I wasn't directing my comments at you.

Quintastic, I wasn't talking about before or after the factions... I was talking about their roles WITHIN the factions.

In NWO, Kevin Nash and Scott Hall were used in the beginning as tools to help Hogan get the belt, and not have to defend it more than once a month. They were there to bail him out of any match he had on Nitro or Thunder, and then to interfere in his PPV matches.

In DX, everyone started in the same role for Shawn Michaels, and for Triple H's IC belt as he was feuding with The Rock.

In NOD, the goal was to push Farooq, but the E bailed on that wen they realized that Rock's charisma was boiling and they couldn't hold him down like they could with Mark Henry and D-Lo Brown, and finally let him overrun it and take over the role Farooq.

In the Hart Foundation, Owen, Bulldog, and Anvil were there to keep Bret Hart protected with his belt. Anyone recall the wheelchair role? Owen was brought back down from the spotlight and forced to defend Bret. Then e and Bulldog got their tag-title reigns. Everyone knows of Bret and Anvil as tag champs for forever, but ignored it and put it aside as Anvil was Bret's muscle.

It happens. Plenty of guys, no matter their previous role, when put into a faction, have to take a backseat for a while to the man on top of the faction. Right now, Cody and DiBiase are doing that for Orton.

I'm not arguing that they were more successful as just Priceless before their current role with Legacy... I'm just saying, it happens, has happened every time, and more than likely ALWAYS will happen within commercial factions.

I think they should be in a match at WM25 too, but this is a milestone PPV, for the biggest Wrestling event of the entire year. This feud is automatically big because it started centered around none other than the McMahons. It involves Triple H, who will do anything it takes to get his name over in the company. And it involves Orton, who may be the future, and one of the top heels. Of course Orton's faction is going to back him and drop any personal goals they might have.

You've got to remember, they were pushing a feud between them and CrymeTyme, but they dropped that as soon as the Orton/Vincident happened. That's the way the business is. I'm just saying accept it. I'm mad too, but it's the way that it goes.

 

[LKP]

^^^ I get your point dude really i do. But nwo etc the people like Scott hall etc where better known as priceless cause they are younger and are nobodies at the moment. Hall and Nash where more bodyguards to hogan etc. Orton realyl does not need priceless but they go hand in hand in looks and if priceless wasn't with orton they just would be a boring team anyways.

 

[JurassicBonez]

^^^ I get your point dude really i do. But nwo etc the people like Scott hall etc where better known as priceless cause they are younger and are nobodies at the moment. Hall and Nash where more bodyguards to hogan etc. Orton realyl does not need priceless but they go hand in hand in looks and if priceless wasn't with orton they just would be a boring team anyways.

How the hell is this even true. When these two 1st teamed they were good. They had the priceless thing going. They were 2-time tag team champs. They beat Cena and Batista for the tag titles. They were serious threats. What have they acomplished in Legacy........? Let's see, get beat up by Shane, beat up by Shane, beat up by Hunter, beat up by Hunter, attacked by Hunter, win against Cryme Tyme.... that's it.

Legacy<Priceless 'nuff said.