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Zardnaar

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INternet seems reaosnably positive out it, several matches I had low expectations for were actually good or better than expected. A couple I thought would be good were meh (HHH+Rollins, Bray/Orton).

AJ and Shane was alot better than expected along with UT+Roman and Goldberg/Lesnar.
 

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WrestleMania 33 was a good show. It was much better than WrestleMania 32 in my book. Therefore, I'm giving it a 7/10.

Man, these shows don't need to be 7 hours long, but I got through it. I had a good time, to be frank.

The set and stage were so cool and probably one of the best sets they've ever had for WrestleMania.

- Now, I skimmed through the pre-show matches. Austin Aries vs Neville and Dean Ambrose vs Baron Corbin (it's a damn shame this got bumped to the pre-show) seemed decent. The Battle Royal, not so much. LOL'd at Mojo Rawley winning, as well as Big Show and Braun Strowman getting eliminated early.

- AJ Styles vs Shane McMahon was a pretty good and fun show opener. ★★★½
AJ Styles proved he's the GOAT by pulling a damn good match out of Shane-O Mac. I iked the story of the first half where Shane tried to hang with Styles in terms of just pure wrestling. Sure, his offense looked laughable at times, but he also had some good moments and out-wrestled Styles on a few occasions. Then, when the ref bump happened and they turned it into more of a hardcore match, which was more of Shane's forte, it was entertaining. Shane doing the Coast to Coast, Styles avoiding the Elbow Drop from the top rope, Styles hitting the Styles Clash were all awesome moments. I marked out. And man, you gotta give credit to Shane for being a lunatic and doing a Shooting Star Press and not just for that, but the dude really put good effort into this match. And lastly, I'm glad Styles won, as he should.

- Kevin Owens vs Chris Jericho was pretty good. ★★★½
Very nice and physical match. They worked it smartly and played well off of their feud and the homestretch was a ton of fun. KO and Y2J knowing each other move for move made for a fun match. Loved the finish with KO finishing Y2J off with an Apron Powerbomb. KO winning the title from Y2J totally made sense as Y2J's taking time off to do his Fozzy thing.

- Bayley vs Charlotte Flair vs Sasha Banks vs Nia Jax was solid. ★★½
This match was solid and to be honest, it was pretty fun when Nia Jax was still in the match. Nia kicking ass was awesome and I enjoyed it, even though I'm not really a fan of hers. But then, when she got eliminated (her elimination was pretty cool, by the way), things just never got going. I think the elimination rules hurt this match. Also, there was no heel turn from Sasha, which I would've loved to see and that would've pulled me back into RAW Women's division again. Or, they could've had Bayley win her first RAW Women's title here and that would've been much more special, but oh well. Oh, and I also have to add that Charlotte's Corkscrew Moonsault was the highlight of the match.

- The Hardy Boyz vs Luke Gallows & Karl Anderson vs Cesaro & Sheamus vs Enzo & Big Cass was very good. ★★★¾
The Hardy Boyz are back! DELIGHTFUL! That was one hell of a surprise! Even though I would've preferred to have them on SmackDown, I marked out, nonetheless! Man, this ladder match was so fun. The action was good, we had some big spots and overall, it was so entertaining. Loved that the Hardyz won the titles in their signature match, man!

- John Cena & Nikki Bella vs The Miz & Maryse was decent. ★★
Not much to say about this one. It was exactly what I was expecting it to be and had a predictable outcome - babyfaces overcoming the heels. And, of course, it was all leading to that big moment post-match when Cena proposed to Nikki. Good for them.

- Seth Rollins vs Triple H was good. ★★★
This would've been much better if it was at least 5-10 minutes shorter. HHH wanted to work more of a methodical match just like at last year's WrestleMania, which at this point of the show was not going to be received so well. The show already had a plethora of exciting moments, which resulted in this match feeling really long, especially the middle portion. And you could tell by the crowd, they didn't really wake up until the end of the match. I was expecting to see more violence and more action, but oh well. At least Seth Rollins won and got his redemption.

- Randy Orton vs Bray Wyatt was underwhelming. ★
I never really got into it and Bray's mind games with maggots and stuff was not particularly interesting to me, but man, things just felt rushed. Also, I totally expected Orton to win.

- Brock Lesnar vs Goldberg was surprisingly fun. ★★★
Well, color me surprised, this match did not suck. I had no interest in it whatsoever, but man, did they book it right! It was explosive, violent and different from everything else on the show. And the outcome with Lesnar finally getting his revenge was absolutely satisfying.

- Naomi vs Alexa Bliss vs Becky Lynch vs Mickie James vs Natalya vs Carmella was OK given the time constraint, but it was so rushed. ★½
Naomi winning is nice. That's all I'm gonna say.

- Roman Reigns vs The Undertaker was a decent ME. ★★
Decent, but disappointing ME. Oh, and it was looong. Just like Reigns vs HHH from last year's WM. I mean, they tried, but it just wasn't good. I also didn't like the fact that Reigns didn't turn heel. He was aggressive as he was beating Taker up, but they just didn't go in that direction and he remained in the same role he's in now. Hopefully they turn him heel tonight, though. On a different note, that post-match segment with Taker was good.

All in all, I'd call the show good.
 
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Watched the matches and how they ended, and I still have 0 interest. Bray lost to Orton ffs (which feels like a WWE move for Cena losing = Orton needs to win) and the rest was dogshit at best for the most part.
It's been fun, but jesus this place isnt just dead because WWE sucks.
 

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Rated this year an 8 out of 10.

Really enjoyed it and overall thought we had good matches, lot of highs and lows but thats wrestlemania for you. Compared to 32 it was much better and i never felt like it was dragging on despite it being near 5:30am when it finished. Sad at the end but i get why they booked roman to win, personally i just wish they would stop trying to force him as the new guy and would prefer him to be the big heel now. As for the future plans this sets up, its obvious that as Lesnar can no longer say he is the "1" anymore, we will be looking at Reigns vs Lesnar for the title pretty soon.
 
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I thought it was a very solid show. A 10/10 for me. A big improvement on last years. There was something about this years Wrestlemania that made it feel like Wrestlemanias from my teenage years. I dont know what it was, but it felt like the Wrestlemanias of old.

Every match was good. The best matches for me, were the ladder match, and Shane vs A.J. The Hardys returning and winning the Raw Tag Titles was my favourite moment of the show. Having The Hardys back is very surreal. They're my favourite Tag Team of all time.

The saddest moment was obviously The Undertaker retiring. The way he put his wrestling gear in the middle of the ring was very emotional. Im not the type of guy who cries easily, but i couldn't hold back the tears here. Taker was such a huge part of my childhood. It was sad to see him go, but i understand why. His health should come first. He needs to have surgery. As much as i would like to have him around, i dont want him to end up in a wheelchair. Thanks for the memories Undertaker. Have a good retirement. You deserve it.
 

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With a few days gone by, the dust settled and having processed everything that took place, I pretty much agree with most of our fellow members and the respectively high rating of the show so…8/10 it is, which I think is well deserved despite a few questionable decisions from a booking standpoint.

Being that pretty much has already been covered, I won’t go into too much details but instead give you my bullet points:

- As solid as this show may have been overall, 7 hours is just overkill. I totally understand the idea of this being a once a year thing and the necessity to make it special and all but this can certainly be accomplished with a reduced runtime, so long as the quality is there...

- Should have figured Mojo would be winning the Battle Royal given the several hints they had thrown at us sporadically but probably a bad decision, more so with the treatment that Strowmann and Big Show received...

- Was very surprised to see them bumping the IC title match into the pre show and, boy, was it underwhelming. Funnily enough, what they should have done in the first place they elected to do so at Smackdown 2 days later but it's 2 days too late in my honest opinion...

- AJ versus Shane was one of the sleeper matches of the evening as far as the expected quality and, well, with AJ in there you knew it would eventually deliver but props should go to both cause Shane surely did his part just fine...

- Both Woman's championship matches I feel fell a bit flat. In RAW's case, this would have been an ideal moment had it been Bailey's first win, her finally reaching her dream etc, whereas Smackdown kind of got screwed over in what was a rather rushed match. Would have gone with Alexa retaining myself, won't argue Naomi reclaiming the belt she was forced to forfit to begin with (kind of a surprise move from WWE given their history of usually screwing the home town hero) but it just didn't feel as special as it ought to.

- Stephanie's table bump was probably the best thing that happened in the Rollins/HHH match and it got even better when Vince told us the next night on RAW that she'll be out for some time.

- Hardy's return was obviously the mark out moment of the evening and even though the bumber was Enzo & Cass failing yet again, well, it's hard to argue how things went down...

- KO vs. Jericho: not bad but kind of a meh for me; idk, perhaps I expected a bit too much out of this but whatever...

- Brock vs. Golberg: yep, they redeemed themselves alright. It was short but definetely sweet and couldn't have asked for anything more...

- Bray vs. Orton: what the fuck was that??? Oh, and by far the worst booking decision of the evening...

- Thank You Taker...
 
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You know, before Mania I was planning on coming in here and claiming that I'm like this site's Undertaker, I've been here so almost the beginning but I only show up for WrestleMania and go on way longer than I should. After witnessing the man retire, that . . . doesn't really feel appropriate anymore. I know, I'm basically just saying it anyway right now by doing this, you're not going to get an "gotcha moment" with me, I'm aware that was a safe to both pseudo-mock a legend and also place myself on his level.

Anyway, I haven't been on here since I wrote my review for WrestleMania 32 almost exactly a year ago to the date, I don't expect a whole lot of members on here to know who the hell I am. I am, I have no clue who most of the members that posted in this thread were. I feel like I should've, I mean several of you have more posts than I did, you all just changed your usernames, didn't you? Like, I saw "Solid Snake" and was like, "Solidus? Finally a familiar face" then I realized it was just Brit in disguise. Thank god for CM Punk. Anyway for the 90% of you that don't know who I am, I'm the reason the scrollbar on this page is about a pixel long. Hyperbole aside though, I write excessively long reviews which admittedly, seems to have become predominant around here. I don't know if that's just Mania but I think there's a legitimate chance I won't have the most verbose post in this thread, I like that.

As for WrestleMania, first it's important to understand where I'm coming from because I'm not the most dedicated fan of the product. Back in 2013 I reviewed every PPV on here because I'm a stubborn idiot, and considering I had lost interest in WWE around the Royal Rumble, this was a very bad decision. Since then I basically only watched WrestleMania's, skipping XXX because apparently that was the good one so of course I missed it, up until WWE did the one thing that I always said would make me give them a second chance, a brand split. The brand split absolutely reinvigorated the product, or at least Smackdown, and since them I've basically watched a little wrestling each week. By that, I mean I watch the youtube segments of the shows that appeal to me, and have seen some PPV matches all year (most of the Rumble and just the Elimination Chamber match). So I went into WrestleMania 33 actually knowing the gist of most of the feuds and wrestlers themselves.

Real quickly the pre-show because it doesn't count towards my scoring, aside from the battle royal the matches were fine. Cruiserweight Championship was entertaining and I'm glad Neville retained, I don't think he should be losing that Championship any time soon, as much as I love Aries. The Battle Royal stunk like it always does but I do like that Braun managed to shove off like twelve or so guys off him. Like he lost but he definitely didn't look weak in defeat, it took basically all the competitors to tackle him twice to eliminate him. He's being protected. Can't help but think we should've just gotten Braun/Show at Mania though. Ambrose/Corbin was actually my favorite match of the pre-show. I really liked the pacing, the End of Days countered into the Dirty Deeds was a great finish too, though I suspected Corbin was winnning (pretty sure he's going to Raw). So probably like a 7 for the title matches and a 4 for the Battle Royal? Who cares, Mania time!

WrestleMania 33 Review

I Should've Never Doubted You AJ Styles
I think everyone here can collectively agree that the prospect of AJ Styles versus Shane McMahon wasn't a thrilling one, especially since Shane McMahon put on a terrible main event last year and the only good thing about said matches was impossible to be replicated without a stipulation. Even though AJ Styles is probably my favorite thing going in WWE, I was pretty sure that the best would could hope for was a forgettable quick bout that wouldn't linger on long enough to become painful. I didn't expect a twenty minute encounter that very well might've stole the show on a really great Mania. Admittedly, Shane got a little too much offense on for my liking, it's just hard to believe that Shane's on AJ's level when Cena needs like 8 FU's to beat him but regardless this match was excellent. I loved the early-goings in the match, stuff like AJ Styles using Shane's jersey to bring him closer for attacks or doing Shane's jig. Then the match delivered with plenty of great spots and counters. At this point Shane's failed Leap of Faith through the announce table is pretty rote but all those other spots were amazing. Shane catching Styles with a Triangle Hold from a springboard 450, Styles transition that into a partial Styles Clash (I don't remember who said it but the commentator who said that Shane only kicked out because he didn't get the full move on thank you). Shane doing a Shooting Star Press? Incredible. Shane countering a Phenomenal Forearm into a Float-Over DDT? Did it way more seamless than I thought possible, incredible. AJ Styles winning? Priceless.

Match Rating: 8/10

The Finger of Friendship
Going into WrestleMania, there was no storyline I enjoyed more than JeriKO's implosion. To be honest, I was a bit upset that the direction they went was the crystal clear, "We were never best friends" route, I was hoping for something a bit nuanced and it seemed during the Festival of Friendship that Kevin Owens didn't necessary enjoy doing that. Like on some level it hurt him, it was present throughout his dialogue during the Festival of Friendship. I heard there was some meeting he had with HHH or something (they didn't upload that onto Youtube so I trusted internet comments) but if that's true I still hope an eventual reveal of what took place their shaped KO's decision. Maybe they already revealed that, honestly I don't pay much attention to Raw.

Oh yeah, they had a match, it was a really good one like I anticipated. I loved the series of high flying moves into knees and how well the built to several spots like the apron powerbomb or Lionsault. The finger spot, and I'm aware that title doesn't make a ton of sense, was really great and seemingly tied back into that painting from the Festival of Friendship. The one thing that hurts it is that the finish felt anti-climatic despite being the proper ending, I'm not really sure what they could've done to prevent this but it definitely dampened the match.

Match Rating: 7/10


Probably My Favorite Women's Match in Mania History
I know that's a bold claim with 33 years of Mania and like 3 other good women's matches but this one was just a lot of solid fun without much flaws. Obviously the biggest competition in this category was the triple threat from last year, another great match that received the same score this one will, but last year's bout was a bit sloppier than this one and had a worse finish. As for this match, it was just a lot of fun, loved the triple teams on Nia. As someone who hasn't previously placed Charlotte on that high of a pedestal, she was easily the MVP of the match. Her Corkscrew Moonsault was a thing of beauty, her trying to hi-five her rivals after eliminating Nia was hilarious, and I loved the story with the exposed turnbuckle. She wasn't perfect though, she's still doing that stupid Figure 8. She never bridges properly and here it was probably intentional, but it was so obvious that she was just pushing Sasha (? Might've been Bayley to be honest memory's kinda hazy) to the ropes that it broke immersion.

That aside, the only other problem with the match is that the build cut any impact that the ending would've had. Bayley should not have won the Women's Championship on Raw, or if she did, Charlotte should've won via DQ at Fastlane. Bayley winning this match was a pretty underwhelming result, it lacked that Mania moment because she's toppled the queen at PPV and for the belt.

Match Rating: 8/10

Quadruple Ladder Match
Doesn't have the same ring to it as triple did, so the Hardyz are back! This news was so exciting that even the Network had a seizure and my streaming suffered severely throughout the entire match. Even with that hindrance, I can't help but say that this was easily the worst of the tag team ladder matches at WrestleMania, regardless this was a fun match that allowed each team to get their highlights and more importantly Jeff's still mental and jumped off a stupid tall ladder. I'm also glad Matt kept some of the Broken gimmick in tact, even if I myself barely seen anything involving it. I'm hoping a dilapidated boat gets involved at some point in this return, I hear about that a lot.

Match Rating: 7/10

Feels Weird Being so Positive, Thankfully This Was Rubbish
There was one good thing about this Mixed Tag match, and that was during Cena's entrance when he joked about the ridiculous size of the ramp (trust me, I was worried all night about Taker's entrance). Everything else about this was boring trash. I guess I shouldn't have expected Maryse to do anything more than one or two bumps, I mean it's not like she was a wrestler before or anything right? But that aside, I certainly didn't expect the match to be Miz dominating Cena with slow-plodding and boring offense until Cena & Nikki just finished the match in the ultimate Cena fashion, getting your ass handed to you all match then hit about five moves and win. To be honest, I don't even recall Cena hitting that much. It was unbelievably dull and one of my least favorite Mania Matches.

As for the post-match proposal where Cena talks about asking for consent to a drugged up girl like that isn't creepy was alright I guess. Look I wasn't the intended audience for it and I was kinda hoping she said "No" but it was clear that that wasn't going to happen because their was so clearly planned ahead of time. Like, I've been hearing about this proposal since like January, if random schmucks like me know about it, she'd have to be pretty daft not to recognize John Cena's intentions too. I actually don'tsuspect this was a surprise, they likely both knew going in that the match was ending with a proposal. This took up too much of my time regardless but good for them. Your match still sucked though.

Match Rating: 2/10

Triple H Keeps Rollins, Rollins, Rollins
I will not apologize for that pun, it's a tribute to Taker dammit. Anyway, Seth Rollins versus Triple H was easily a better bout than Triple H's last Mania match against Roman Reigns but I'd be lying if I said it was entertaining all throughout. I think the match would've benefited from cutting five or so minutes off it, there were definitely points where I was just eager for the match to end. And while I like that the played up the story of Seth's hurt leg, seeing him replicate the spot responsible (sunset flip powerbomb) and not being able to deliver it due to his hurt leg makes him look like an idiot. And while it was highly unlikely, I'm really upset we didn't see a Curb Stomp, or even a Curb Stomp attempt. The match was non-sanctioned, you can just incorporate the moves banning into the angle. Those gripes aside, and the last ones a little unfair, this match did have several moments that made up for it. The finish was perfect and I love the Pedigree trade-off sequence, one of the best moments of the night. And while I don't know that punk rocker Stephanie McMahon is more of my fetish than last years . . . jacket wearing dominatrix (? What the hell was she is), I still very much enjoyed it so kudos for that.

Match Rating: 7/10

WyattMania Fails Again
First off, fuck this match for not being a triple threat with best big man on the roster Luke Harper. Secondly what the hell were they thinking with the rest of this match. Let's start off with the obvious of Orton winning. Orton didn't need to win, this renders Wyatt's reign as worthless. The last two title reigns were worthless. Cena won the title just to tie a record and Wyatt won the title just so Orton can win at Mania. Full disclosure, I'm not a Bray Wyatt fan, the guy's fantastic on the mic but his character direction is terrible and I don't think highly of his in-ring skills either. On the other hand, I love Randy Orton, when he's not doing rest holds for most of the match, he's one of the most exciting guys to watch with one of the best collection of moves out there. He should not have won here. As an aside to this though, Wyatt's terrible Mania record isn't as terrible as many bring up. When your opponents are John Cena, Randy Orton, and the God Damn Undertaker victories don't come by often. Being in the ring with those guy at Mania, says a lot about their opinion on him.

But that leaves us with the other greater stupidity, Wyatt's bug projection magic. This was stupid. Very stupid. Very, very stupid. Not only in a, way too over the top way either, but also in a "Boo, Bray Wyatt sure is very, very stupid". Because he looked like an idiot. Fun fact, if you're attempting to play magic mind games, make sure it effects them. The first time he did it Orton retreated from the ring, the other two times, because we needed it to be a trifecta, Orton was lying down in the ring, unable to move because Bray wrestled him and knocked him down. But why try to capitalize on that momentum when you can freak out a referee who you probably want on your side. Also, loved when JBL pointed out Bray could've won by count-out. Not being sarcastic, that made me laugh but also, Bray is dumb. Very dumb.

Match Rating: 3/10

It Was At This Point, I Worried That The Women's Match Got Cut
Brock Lesnar vs. Goldberg was not a match I was interested in when it became clear that was the plan at Survivor Series but eventually I came around to the idea and will admit, this match delivered on everything it needed to do. It was quick, entertaining, and every move a high impact. With only four moves, they put on a pretty engaging match. Brock even kicked out of the Spear/Jackhammer combination, from what I recall that's only been done once before when Hulk Hogan's tag partner missed his cue. It was everything it needed to be, which makes it tempting to score it a 10 but I just can't when I didn't enjoy it that much.

Match Rating: 8/10

Did Anyone Tell Mickie & Becky That WrestleMania Doesn't Fall on Halloween?
Seriously, why were they dressed like that. Anyway, this was fine, nothing special. Not a lot of time was devoted to it and the workers did a good job of making do. Everyone got a moment to shine and even though Naomi's win has zero impact (my only thought was that they shouldn't have had her drop it then, Alexa's second reign was pointless, it was just like they reset to pre-Elimination Chamber). Not much else to say here, Ellsworth's jacket was funny.

Match Rating: 6/10

23-2
The match kinda sucked. At first it was entertaining, I loved Taker constantly throwing Roman outside and claiming it was "my yard" then "still my yard" and that Spear through the announce table was a sick spot. After that it became a boring slog to watch with some unfortunate botches (that Tombstone reversal was embarrassing). The match essentially became a perfunctory retirement match, like it understood the formula to an effective retirement match but didn't have any of the emotion tied to it. A lot of that is because the story building into this didn't really play into that from what I seen but there were several factors going against it. Roman Reigns doesn't have any interesting connection to Undertaker like Shawn did with Flair or Taker did with Shawn. The streak was already broken so the power of an Undertaker loss at Mania has already been diminished. & finally, with the way WWE books Roman and the state Undertaker was in, the writing was on the wall for a long time. Despite getting Jim Ross to call it, the whole match didn't really feel like an emotional conclusion to Taker's career. It's a sour note to the end of perhaps the greatest of all-time.

The post match stuff was pretty much perfect though, and I'm going to include that into the score to bump it up at least a point. I will say personally I was not emotionally devastated as I would've expected from his retirement because quite frankly, I said my goodbyes at WrestleMania XXVIII when I thought he was retiring at End of an Era. I kinda wish he did retired, I haven't seen his Non-Mania bouts aside from the Rumble and I missed The Streak ending match but nothing he's done since is something I feel I would've missed out on. Like people say if the streak going to end, Orton should've done it at 21 but then you'd miss out on the story from XXV-XXVIII and that's just not worth giving up over. But lackluster bouts with Punk, Wyatt, Shane & Roman, I wouldn't be bothered. But Taker went out in what I assume was the fashion he would've loved so I won't complain any further. I'll simple say, thank you Taker.

Match Rating: 5/10

Show Rating: 6.1/10

For reference, there is no weight to my system. So a 5 second squash match with zero build against Erick Rowan would have the same influence on the final score as a thirty minute HIAC that's been built for months. Neither of those were any good but you understand. I enjoyed the show more than a 6.1 but because I'm too lazy to do a scaled system, the score reflected is a bit lower than my enjoyment. Though honestly, five hour shows are way too draining and this five hours with padding. If they cut the stupid Pitbull concert, the hype packages (just relegate those to the pre-show), didn't shows ads for their own products (Final Fantasy makes sense, but Payback?), and had a ramp that wasn't the size of a Football Field, I feel like this show could've easily been condensed into a more consumable four hours. So, maybe consider a point docked for that.

Still, for reference 6.1 is extremely good for me. WrestleMania 32 got a 4.2 from and and WrestleMania XXIX got a 3.8. As for all the PPVs in 2013, Payback 2013 got a 6.3 and SummerSlam got a 6.1, everything else this Mania beat and I do hold Mania to a higher standard since WWE does too. This is easily one of the best Mania's of the past few years. My favorite since XXVIII at least, might be better but nothing on this card touches End of an Era so I think I lean with XXVIII.
 

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You know, before Mania I was planning on coming in here and claiming that I'm like this site's Undertaker, I've been here so almost the beginning but I only show up for WrestleMania and go on way longer than I should. After witnessing the man retire, that . . . doesn't really feel appropriate anymore. I know, I'm basically just saying it anyway right now by doing this, you're not going to get an "gotcha moment" with me, I'm aware that was a safe to both pseudo-mock a legend and also place myself on his level.

Anyway, I haven't been on here since I wrote my review for WrestleMania 32 almost exactly a year ago to the date, I don't expect a whole lot of members on here to know who the hell I am. I am, I have no clue who most of the members that posted in this thread were. I feel like I should've, I mean several of you have more posts than I did, you all just changed your usernames, didn't you? Like, I saw "Solid Snake" and was like, "Solidus? Finally a familiar face" then I realized it was just Brit in disguise. Thank god for CM Punk. Anyway for the 90% of you that don't know who I am, I'm the reason the scrollbar on this page is about a pixel long. Hyperbole aside though, I write excessively long reviews which admittedly, seems to have become predominant around here. I don't know if that's just Mania but I think there's a legitimate chance I won't have the most verbose post in this thread, I like that.

As for WrestleMania, first it's important to understand where I'm coming from because I'm not the most dedicated fan of the product. Back in 2013 I reviewed every PPV on here because I'm a stubborn idiot, and considering I had lost interest in WWE around the Royal Rumble, this was a very bad decision. Since then I basically only watched WrestleMania's, skipping XXX because apparently that was the good one so of course I missed it, up until WWE did the one thing that I always said would make me give them a second chance, a brand split. The brand split absolutely reinvigorated the product, or at least Smackdown, and since them I've basically watched a little wrestling each week. By that, I mean I watch the youtube segments of the shows that appeal to me, and have seen some PPV matches all year (most of the Rumble and just the Elimination Chamber match). So I went into WrestleMania 33 actually knowing the gist of most of the feuds and wrestlers themselves.

Real quickly the pre-show because it doesn't count towards my scoring, aside from the battle royal the matches were fine. Cruiserweight Championship was entertaining and I'm glad Neville retained, I don't think he should be losing that Championship any time soon, as much as I love Aries. The Battle Royal stunk like it always does but I do like that Braun managed to shove off like twelve or so guys off him. Like he lost but he definitely didn't look weak in defeat, it took basically all the competitors to tackle him twice to eliminate him. He's being protected. Can't help but think we should've just gotten Braun/Show at Mania though. Ambrose/Corbin was actually my favorite match of the pre-show. I really liked the pacing, the End of Days countered into the Dirty Deeds was a great finish too, though I suspected Corbin was winnning (pretty sure he's going to Raw). So probably like a 7 for the title matches and a 4 for the Battle Royal? Who cares, Mania time!

WrestleMania 33 Review

I Should've Never Doubted You AJ Styles
I think everyone here can collectively agree that the prospect of AJ Styles versus Shane McMahon wasn't a thrilling one, especially since Shane McMahon put on a terrible main event last year and the only good thing about said matches was impossible to be replicated without a stipulation. Even though AJ Styles is probably my favorite thing going in WWE, I was pretty sure that the best would could hope for was a forgettable quick bout that wouldn't linger on long enough to become painful. I didn't expect a twenty minute encounter that very well might've stole the show on a really great Mania. Admittedly, Shane got a little too much offense on for my liking, it's just hard to believe that Shane's on AJ's level when Cena needs like 8 FU's to beat him but regardless this match was excellent. I loved the early-goings in the match, stuff like AJ Styles using Shane's jersey to bring him closer for attacks or doing Shane's jig. Then the match delivered with plenty of great spots and counters. At this point Shane's failed Leap of Faith through the announce table is pretty rote but all those other spots were amazing. Shane catching Styles with a Triangle Hold from a springboard 450, Styles transition that into a partial Styles Clash (I don't remember who said it but the commentator who said that Shane only kicked out because he didn't get the full move on thank you). Shane doing a Shooting Star Press? Incredible. Shane countering a Phenomenal Forearm into a Float-Over DDT? Did it way more seamless than I thought possible, incredible. AJ Styles winning? Priceless.

Match Rating: 8/10

The Finger of Friendship
Going into WrestleMania, there was no storyline I enjoyed more than JeriKO's implosion. To be honest, I was a bit upset that the direction they went was the crystal clear, "We were never best friends" route, I was hoping for something a bit nuanced and it seemed during the Festival of Friendship that Kevin Owens didn't necessary enjoy doing that. Like on some level it hurt him, it was present throughout his dialogue during the Festival of Friendship. I heard there was some meeting he had with HHH or something (they didn't upload that onto Youtube so I trusted internet comments) but if that's true I still hope an eventual reveal of what took place their shaped KO's decision. Maybe they already revealed that, honestly I don't pay much attention to Raw.

Oh yeah, they had a match, it was a really good one like I anticipated. I loved the series of high flying moves into knees and how well the built to several spots like the apron powerbomb or Lionsault. The finger spot, and I'm aware that title doesn't make a ton of sense, was really great and seemingly tied back into that painting from the Festival of Friendship. The one thing that hurts it is that the finish felt anti-climatic despite being the proper ending, I'm not really sure what they could've done to prevent this but it definitely dampened the match.

Match Rating: 7/10


Probably My Favorite Women's Match in Mania History
I know that's a bold claim with 33 years of Mania and like 3 other good women's matches but this one was just a lot of solid fun without much flaws. Obviously the biggest competition in this category was the triple threat from last year, another great match that received the same score this one will, but last year's bout was a bit sloppier than this one and had a worse finish. As for this match, it was just a lot of fun, loved the triple teams on Nia. As someone who hasn't previously placed Charlotte on that high of a pedestal, she was easily the MVP of the match. Her Corkscrew Moonsault was a thing of beauty, her trying to hi-five her rivals after eliminating Nia was hilarious, and I loved the story with the exposed turnbuckle. She wasn't perfect though, she's still doing that stupid Figure 8. She never bridges properly and here it was probably intentional, but it was so obvious that she was just pushing Sasha (? Might've been Bayley to be honest memory's kinda hazy) to the ropes that it broke immersion.

That aside, the only other problem with the match is that the build cut any impact that the ending would've had. Bayley should not have won the Women's Championship on Raw, or if she did, Charlotte should've won via DQ at Fastlane. Bayley winning this match was a pretty underwhelming result, it lacked that Mania moment because she's toppled the queen at PPV and for the belt.

Match Rating: 8/10

Quadruple Ladder Match
Doesn't have the same ring to it as triple did, so the Hardyz are back! This news was so exciting that even the Network had a seizure and my streaming suffered severely throughout the entire match. Even with that hindrance, I can't help but say that this was easily the worst of the tag team ladder matches at WrestleMania, regardless this was a fun match that allowed each team to get their highlights and more importantly Jeff's still mental and jumped off a stupid tall ladder. I'm also glad Matt kept some of the Broken gimmick in tact, even if I myself barely seen anything involving it. I'm hoping a dilapidated boat gets involved at some point in this return, I hear about that a lot.

Match Rating: 7/10

Feels Weird Being so Positive, Thankfully This Was Rubbish
There was one good thing about this Mixed Tag match, and that was during Cena's entrance when he joked about the ridiculous size of the ramp (trust me, I was worried all night about Taker's entrance). Everything else about this was boring trash. I guess I shouldn't have expected Maryse to do anything more than one or two bumps, I mean it's not like she was a wrestler before or anything right? But that aside, I certainly didn't expect the match to be Miz dominating Cena with slow-plodding and boring offense until Cena & Nikki just finished the match in the ultimate Cena fashion, getting your ass handed to you all match then hit about five moves and win. To be honest, I don't even recall Cena hitting that much. It was unbelievably dull and one of my least favorite Mania Matches.

As for the post-match proposal where Cena talks about asking for consent to a drugged up girl like that isn't creepy was alright I guess. Look I wasn't the intended audience for it and I was kinda hoping she said "No" but it was clear that that wasn't going to happen because their was so clearly planned ahead of time. Like, I've been hearing about this proposal since like January, if random schmucks like me know about it, she'd have to be pretty daft not to recognize John Cena's intentions too. I actually don'tsuspect this was a surprise, they likely both knew going in that the match was ending with a proposal. This took up too much of my time regardless but good for them. Your match still sucked though.

Match Rating: 2/10

Triple H Keeps Rollins, Rollins, Rollins
I will not apologize for that pun, it's a tribute to Taker dammit. Anyway, Seth Rollins versus Triple H was easily a better bout than Triple H's last Mania match against Roman Reigns but I'd be lying if I said it was entertaining all throughout. I think the match would've benefited from cutting five or so minutes off it, there were definitely points where I was just eager for the match to end. And while I like that the played up the story of Seth's hurt leg, seeing him replicate the spot responsible (sunset flip powerbomb) and not being able to deliver it due to his hurt leg makes him look like an idiot. And while it was highly unlikely, I'm really upset we didn't see a Curb Stomp, or even a Curb Stomp attempt. The match was non-sanctioned, you can just incorporate the moves banning into the angle. Those gripes aside, and the last ones a little unfair, this match did have several moments that made up for it. The finish was perfect and I love the Pedigree trade-off sequence, one of the best moments of the night. And while I don't know that punk rocker Stephanie McMahon is more of my fetish than last years . . . jacket wearing dominatrix (? What the hell was she is), I still very much enjoyed it so kudos for that.

Match Rating: 7/10

WyattMania Fails Again
First off, fuck this match for not being a triple threat with best big man on the roster Luke Harper. Secondly what the hell were they thinking with the rest of this match. Let's start off with the obvious of Orton winning. Orton didn't need to win, this renders Wyatt's reign as worthless. The last two title reigns were worthless. Cena won the title just to tie a record and Wyatt won the title just so Orton can win at Mania. Full disclosure, I'm not a Bray Wyatt fan, the guy's fantastic on the mic but his character direction is terrible and I don't think highly of his in-ring skills either. On the other hand, I love Randy Orton, when he's not doing rest holds for most of the match, he's one of the most exciting guys to watch with one of the best collection of moves out there. He should not have won here. As an aside to this though, Wyatt's terrible Mania record isn't as terrible as many bring up. When your opponents are John Cena, Randy Orton, and the God Damn Undertaker victories don't come by often. Being in the ring with those guy at Mania, says a lot about their opinion on him.

But that leaves us with the other greater stupidity, Wyatt's bug projection magic. This was stupid. Very stupid. Very, very stupid. Not only in a, way too over the top way either, but also in a "Boo, Bray Wyatt sure is very, very stupid". Because he looked like an idiot. Fun fact, if you're attempting to play magic mind games, make sure it effects them. The first time he did it Orton retreated from the ring, the other two times, because we needed it to be a trifecta, Orton was lying down in the ring, unable to move because Bray wrestled him and knocked him down. But why try to capitalize on that momentum when you can freak out a referee who you probably want on your side. Also, loved when JBL pointed out Bray could've won by count-out. Not being sarcastic, that made me laugh but also, Bray is dumb. Very dumb.

Match Rating: 3/10

It Was At This Point, I Worried That The Women's Match Got Cut
Brock Lesnar vs. Goldberg was not a match I was interested in when it became clear that was the plan at Survivor Series but eventually I came around to the idea and will admit, this match delivered on everything it needed to do. It was quick, entertaining, and every move a high impact. With only four moves, they put on a pretty engaging match. Brock even kicked out of the Spear/Jackhammer combination, from what I recall that's only been done once before when Hulk Hogan's tag partner missed his cue. It was everything it needed to be, which makes it tempting to score it a 10 but I just can't when I didn't enjoy it that much.

Match Rating: 8/10

Did Anyone Tell Mickie & Becky That WrestleMania Doesn't Fall on Halloween?
Seriously, why were they dressed like that. Anyway, this was fine, nothing special. Not a lot of time was devoted to it and the workers did a good job of making do. Everyone got a moment to shine and even though Naomi's win has zero impact (my only thought was that they shouldn't have had her drop it then, Alexa's second reign was pointless, it was just like they reset to pre-Elimination Chamber). Not much else to say here, Ellsworth's jacket was funny.

Match Rating: 6/10

23-2
The match kinda sucked. At first it was entertaining, I loved Taker constantly throwing Roman outside and claiming it was "my yard" then "still my yard" and that Spear through the announce table was a sick spot. After that it became a boring slog to watch with some unfortunate botches (that Tombstone reversal was embarrassing). The match essentially became a perfunctory retirement match, like it understood the formula to an effective retirement match but didn't have any of the emotion tied to it. A lot of that is because the story building into this didn't really play into that from what I seen but there were several factors going against it. Roman Reigns doesn't have any interesting connection to Undertaker like Shawn did with Flair or Taker did with Shawn. The streak was already broken so the power of an Undertaker loss at Mania has already been diminished. & finally, with the way WWE books Roman and the state Undertaker was in, the writing was on the wall for a long time. Despite getting Jim Ross to call it, the whole match didn't really feel like an emotional conclusion to Taker's career. It's a sour note to the end of perhaps the greatest of all-time.

The post match stuff was pretty much perfect though, and I'm going to include that into the score to bump it up at least a point. I will say personally I was not emotionally devastated as I would've expected from his retirement because quite frankly, I said my goodbyes at WrestleMania XXVIII when I thought he was retiring at End of an Era. I kinda wish he did retired, I haven't seen his Non-Mania bouts aside from the Rumble and I missed The Streak ending match but nothing he's done since is something I feel I would've missed out on. Like people say if the streak going to end, Orton should've done it at 21 but then you'd miss out on the story from XXV-XXVIII and that's just not worth giving up over. But lackluster bouts with Punk, Wyatt, Shane & Roman, I wouldn't be bothered. But Taker went out in what I assume was the fashion he would've loved so I won't complain any further. I'll simple say, thank you Taker.

Match Rating: 5/10

Show Rating: 6.1/10

For reference, there is no weight to my system. So a 5 second squash match with zero build against Erick Rowan would have the same influence on the final score as a thirty minute HIAC that's been built for months. Neither of those were any good but you understand. I enjoyed the show more than a 6.1 but because I'm too lazy to do a scaled system, the score reflected is a bit lower than my enjoyment. Though honestly, five hour shows are way too draining and this five hours with padding. If they cut the stupid Pitbull concert, the hype packages (just relegate those to the pre-show), didn't shows ads for their own products (Final Fantasy makes sense, but Payback?), and had a ramp that wasn't the size of a Football Field, I feel like this show could've easily been condensed into a more consumable four hours. So, maybe consider a point docked for that.

Still, for reference 6.1 is extremely good for me. WrestleMania 32 got a 4.2 from and and WrestleMania XXIX got a 3.8. As for all the PPVs in 2013, Payback 2013 got a 6.3 and SummerSlam got a 6.1, everything else this Mania beat and I do hold Mania to a higher standard since WWE does too. This is easily one of the best Mania's of the past few years. My favorite since XXVIII at least, might be better but nothing on this card touches End of an Era so I think I lean with XXVIII.

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Alrighty... By request of Mr. Prince Balor, it's better late than never! Lets add a little frosting to the Wrestlemania review party, shall we!?!?!?! :yay:

IT'S BEEN SO LONG YOU GUYS! Now. Lets try to make this the best post ever as I drone on for SEVEN HOURS in here. Spoilering everything, just in case this is a ton of rambling...

NOW LETS GET THIS PARTY STARTED (or whatever the theme is idk all these songs sound the same to me. Welcome to my house, it's my house, come on)

Going ahead and saying it's an 8/10. There's a lot of little stuff I liked on the show! Really liked, actually. Many I may not name. But two big black marks aside it was pretty much perfect.

Pre-show:
Fucking chinlocks.

It's a Cruiserweight title match. Come for the fast paced action, go to sleep because it's a bunch of damn chinlocks... Maybe I just didn't expect much... but this was really cool! WE GOT FAST PACED ACTION OUT OF THE DAMN CRUISERWEIGHTS!!! OH MY GOSH!!! I mean it was still chinlock city, bitch, but at least it was fast-paced chinlocks. These guys were working sprints out here reversing moves and bouncing off each other and hitting big dropkicks and dynamic offense before the flippy stuff came at the end. Perfect match the Cruiserweights should have to keep Vince happy, right? And make me happy, because any show with The Greatest Main Eventer who Ever Lived on it is that much better. Welcome to the big leagues, A-Double. Hope you've got a lot of great packages to give us in the future. So yeah, the match was quality, and whoever won, we won, and they're free to have a couple of rematches (just don't turn this into Sasha/Charlotte)

After this I went out to get a pizza and missed half of the Andre Battle Royal, and then didn't know there was a third preshow match and missed all of Corbin and Ambrose. Saw the Gronk spot though and that security guard over there working herself into a shoot LMAO. Bitch please. Gronk's a big mofo who'll jump right over you, lady, and happily tear his ACL doing it. :yeah:

AJ Styles vs Shane McMahon
Shane McMahon carried AJ Styles at Wrestlemania. You read that right.

Not a slight on Styles at all, but the match was designed for Shane McMahon to spotlight his own daredevil antics, and he found an opponent where he can leave his lame ass baby punches at the house and just came out swinging! I've never seen Shane McMahon bring this kind of effort into his matches. This was an incredible performance from the old man, as the easiest guy in the world to work with gave him a solid foundation and picked up a big W for his efforts. One missed crash into an announce table and a damned SHOOTING STAR PRESS later and... Most people call this Match of the Night and it's hard to disagree. Definitely a memorable one!

Again, though. Maybe the card could have used a blowaway match like Styles and Nakamura, but this served it's role well, and AJ Styles winning was such an easy call here. Thumbs up from everyone!

Kevin Owens vs Chris Jericho
Chris Jericho's got a weird record in Wrestlemania history. Nobody's fought a variety of quality opponents like he has, but never delivered a blowaway match. It's crazy! His matches often tend to underwhelm a little bit despite being all technically sound and junk but this was no exception. This match's buildup seemed to hurt it a little. If it was just a challenger of the month feud for the US Title, this back and forth competitive battle would have felt awfully satisfying! Maybe it's watching too much New Japan but I expected a little more intensity from best friends turned bitter rivals with the Festival of Friendship and this much emotion piled into the match. Overall though, this was really sound!

And it was GOLD how Owens was able to reach that bottom rope with ONE FINGER... Ya know. Remember the awesome painting Jericho gave him? Where they both were sticking out the one finger at each other? Yeah....... Deep. THEY COULD HAVE MADE IT WORK DAMMIT!!!! THEY WERE BESTIES! THEY EVEN BORROWED SCARVES!!

And while I'm nitpicking negatives, by this point there was a Styles Clash kickout (not a finisher, but still), a Walls of Jericho ropegrab, a Codebreaker and Pop up Powerbomb kickout... They've really reached the point where the finisher kickouts have lost any sort of drama for me. Usually there's a climax to the match - like the Shooting Star Press, or the Apron Powerbomb - which... May in some ways be more effective than the regular finishers, because I LOVED the finish to the match when Jericho kicked out of the Pop up Powerbomb, the struggled on the outside and Owens did the APRON POWERBOMB OF DEATH onto him which kills any mortal (ba bada baaaaa) man in an instant. Having a protected "super finish" really does help. More on this in a minute...

Three Horsewomen and Nia Jax
Creatively this was making the best of a terrible situation. When I was trying to write a preview for the show just to get repeatedly sidetracked, one thing I wrote was how "The only way I can fantasy book this is to have something Russoriffic and random happen, like all four women being down and Stephanie running out with a mic to berate everyone and keep the title for herself" or some bullshit that would leave nobody satisfied... Shockingly they kinda made this work. When Sasha rolled up Charlotte and the Queen kicked out and accidentally threw Sasha's head into the turnbuckle, Sasha sold it like she was out. Sasha pinned her, and Bayley's help was gone. It was all up to her to finally get it done against the Queen of PPV, and... she overcame. It was like NXT Bayley booking except... not done by NXT Bayley. Maybe the time off between TV Tapings and Takeovers is more of a hinderance than we thought...

But at the end, I remember Corey Graves yelling out "Bayley has finally conquered Charlotte all on her own!!!" and started to actually tell the story before Michael Cole yelled over him to suck at his job. FUCK THIS COMMENTARY TEAM.

Match quality wise? Well the three girls teaming on Nia at the beginning is always easy and always enjoyable, but for Nia just to get kicked out in 2 minutes I just wouldn't have put her in. Protect her, she's not like most girls... Charlotte's Spiral Tap thingie was NUTS!!! Sasha kept the match fast and fun for so long, and hell everything was going great until the last part was rushed. Action was good, just wanted more of it. And Bayley's win would have come off so much bigger.

The Raw Tag Team OH MY GOD NO WAY IS THAT REALLY
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH IT'S THE HARDYS BACK IN WWE!!!!!! WOOOOOOOOO OH HAPPY GLORIOUS DAY!!!!!

I can't believe I marked out this hard for a returning star. Never have before. Seriously.

I mean, I lost my mind here. It felt so random, and so happy, and Jeff Hardy broke his string of never winning a Wrestlemania match ever by jumping off a ladder into a ring and crushing Super Saiyan Cesaro and.... Wasn't this better than watching three old dudes beat up the League of Urinations aftr jobbing out the New Day for no reason? ONE SHOCKING RETURN at Wrestlemania but my God did it make an impact. The Hardys are back!!!!!! WOOOOOOOOOOO. Guess it's because these guys are still relevant. They popped up here after a TNA stint, REINVENTED themselves, are keeping some semblance of the gimmick (I MISS BULLY RAY) and... THIS WAS SO GOOD

And then the match! Seen many people talking about how this went so long it wasted the collective orgasm of the Hardys return, but I say the opposite. We forget there's some really incredible kick-ass talent in this match, and this match went long enough to remind us that Cesaro and even Sheamus are incredible, even the Club got a nice chance to shine and small doses of Big Cass are as great as small doses of Roman Reigns used to be. The talent shined, then Brother Nero climbed that ladder and took that spotlight and just freaking crushed it. Ten stars.

The Miz and Maryse vs Team GN82 Hates You
yeah. don't expect anything impartial here. I remember back in the days when we had our Total Divas chats going and how by Mania 33 we'd be having a 20 minute mixed tag street fight with Cena and Nikki and leave the streets of Birmingham covered in a pool of steroids and silicone. Oh good times, good times. Those were the days. :haha:

I didn't hate this. It was so far beyond that. I LOVED to hate this so much that I just found myself giggling about theories of what their little love life will be because... well, like so many say Cena and Nikki feel SO MUCH MORE like the Miz and Maryse's parodies of them than anything we see. "Hey! Cena! You love to do the Today Show! Drag someone around with you!" Man dude couldn't even propose without it getting booked. And then there's going to have this magnificent wedding on Total Bullshit complete with Daniel Bryan trying to chuck all the delicious beef at Nikki and like who knows maybe he still has feelings for Mickie and whoa wait until Dolph finds out and oh god CAN YOU ONLY IMAGINE TURN ON E NETWORK AT 8/7 CENTRAL. Y'all over here using your eventual wedding to plug your shit just like Miz said because all the heels are babyfaces and all the faces are heels except Maryse kept most of her clothes on.

I didn't even notice the match. Just the finish which totally should have been hilarious double STF's since Nikki does Cena's move 100x better than him, but no because then we couldn't talk about Nikki's boobs. Go jump on a bed full of money and conceive Bella babies with giant heads and the maturity of a jelly-filled donut somewhere off my TV. Away with the both of you.

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Seth Rollins vs The Universe
I mean, isn't that the most Triple H thing ever? "Pffft. It's an unsanctioned match. Sure. I could bring sledgehammers and Samoa Joe and an army of indy talent that William Regal I signed down to NXT or like airstrikes or something but I'm Triple fucking H all I need is my wife and my bare hands to fight off this little indy failure bwahahahahahaha"

Maybe - just maybe - they could have had the corresponding Joe and Balor run-ins in the middle of the match to add a little spice to this. Live, I was of two minds about this one. Part of me thought it was plodding and boring, the other half thought it was some smart psychology by design as Seth was grounded and couldn't fight with the bad knee... But upon rewatch, it was just so hard to suspend my disbelief to the injury. Maybe it's because of the whole real vs fake thing being so drawn, maybe it's all of Seth's offense involving jumping off shit and grabbing his knee... I'm likely alone in that one, but... This was largely a pretty boring match without the psychology working.

Oh and Stephanie got bumped off the apron, which means she'll come back on the Raw after Mania bitching about something. Yay.

....she didn't? She's gone? SHE'S GONE!?!?!?!?!

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:yes: :yes: :yes: WOOOOOOO FINALLY! WE CAN LIVE AND WATCH RAW IN PEACE AGAIN! THE DAYS OF OUR TYRANNY IS OVER! LONG LIVE THE KINGSLAYER!!! :yay:

Bray Wyatt vs WWE
No sugarcoating or wasting time. This is the worst match of 2017. Can't imagine anything topping it and I'm dreading even imagining what it would take to even try. The action was absolute nothing and the projector crap was painful and...

Bray Wyatt is dead. His current character cannot be salvaged. Now, you tried to force-feed him credibility after three years of burying him in bullshit, so you let him pin Cena and Styles in the chamber and cut a dynamic promo just to lose the belt after a month. Good luck getting us to buy in again. Bray Wyatt's entire story arch is nothing but failure... Wyatt for Gift of the Gods champion, because the only chance he has is to go the Cody route (rhoute?) and get away from WWE for a long time.

Orton's champ, who cares, counting down the days until Nakamura or Styles or hell even Shane McMahon saves us from this

Lesnar vs Oldberg
VIOLLLLENNNNCCCCEEEEEE!!!!! Man I wish there was a gif of Dario Cueto yelling that.

Damn. I loved each of the under 300 seconds this match lasted. "But but it was just four moves and"... Part of it was the drama I bet because you never knew when this thing was going to end. Each move could have been the last and it was AWESOME and things were exciting and electric and Lesnar put Goldberg down and... If you ask me, this was match of the night. Good shit.

Smackdown Women's TItle Match
With Naomi back this certainly wasn't pre-show material and her winning the Women's title here was a really good moment on a really good show!!!

Whew... that ending.
I went back and rewatched Roman Reigns vs Undertaker and... man. It was so much better on second viewing when you knew what Undertaker was going for.

It was still sad in the early going, with Undertaker trying to be the Taker of past and hang in there with Roman, but as the match dragged on... the story was actually that Undertaker was done.
The character kept fighting back in true Taker fashion, eventually pulling off a sick hope spot with the chair-assisted tombstone, but he just couldn't physically do it any more. Fight back, a couple of spears later, he'll still kick out. He's got the heart of a phenom, and usually he'll get back up and keep on fighting but... it was slower. And slower, before eventually the Deadman rose up just to fall back down and Roman speared him out of his misery... By the end, this wasn't a match. This was a mercy killing to a career that dragged out a little bit longer than it needed to. And it was rough to watch, but that's what they were going for...

Watching live people hated this match, and I'm putting that more on Roman Reigns. The guy's usually pretty good with the right opponent, but for a match like this where he dominated 80% of the offense, he just didn't have that vast of a repetoire to keep the match entertaining. There's only so many times you can tell the story of a Superman Punch and a Spear before Undertaker tries to fight back into more Superman Punches...

And I'll often argue that Roman is a heel already, often it's because he's in too many situations like this NOT to be. This wasn't a Shawn vs Flair "I'm sorry, I love you" moment. Roman came off as totally emotionless as the old man just had to be put down. And man... It was rough. Really pulled at the heartstrings in the match knowing that ending was coming...

I've said before that the Undertaker is the greatest of all time. Greater than Shawn, or Hogan, or Cena, or so many others. Nobody got more done with less non-talents over a career. Nobody provided better memories. Nobody had a greater mind for the business. Undertaker knew how to get more out of less and when to time everything better than many other guys who've went on to achieve great things. He's spent two decades as a walking gimmick who found a way to rarely get stale (when he did, A.B.A. Undertaker kept it fresh). I can't say as much as longer-time viewers, so 26 years later, congratulations on an incredible career to the greatest of all time, The Undertaker.[/spoiler[

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Hi Guys,
Well come forum site.We do not want to complain too much, one of my favorite wrestlers may have just retired in front of we eyes. We overacting by saying that it was of the most emotional things we ever witnessed, sure, but I don't care about that,WeI don't care about anything. Thank you Undertaker for all these years, We do not want to be mad at anything, We just want to be grateful for everything Taker has done
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Roman Reigns vs The Undertaker
As far as Roman goes, it's whatever. I don't hate him but I do enjoy the BOOOOO when the music hits.
This one is all about the undertaker though. Grew up watching the man. Being just amazed by his character. It was hard to watch. Very hard to watch. I'm even getting a little emotional typing this 3 hours after the show ended.
It was a slow start. And by now it was already well past the scheduled end time. So it made it difficult to get into. It's been hours, we're all getting a little silly at this point, and it just seemed like a snore fest. BUT after a couple of minutes we started actually watching and it was rough. It was very hard to see this Deadman, who we had all grown up watching, being beat down. You could see he was clearly gassed halfway through. The breaking point was when Roman went to lift him but failed twice. It just seemed as if Taker was totally spent. This unstoppable man who we once feared yet loved, was basically giving up. Now I don't mean quitting, I just mean he has done so much for us over the years, put on classic after classic, and to see his body give out like that was so sad. That's when we all said OK wow, this is bad. He shouldn't go out like this. But we realized it was the most logical way. In my honest opinion there should have been a casket under the ring with The Undertaker and 1990 - 2017 underneath and he should have been set in there and shut." positives. Thank you WWE and The Undertaker for a memorable ending to an incredible career./QUOTE]

I totally agree with that Idea for Taker. I didnt even know that be was retireing til I saw stuff on Youtube stating "A sad farewell to Undertaker". My only regret is that I wished I'd gotten a Signed Autograph from him... :(