Rate Raw September 28th 2015

[The GOAT]

Well they created that tension and that's my issue. Shouldn't have happened.

Have Rollins face a battle royal winner? You could have an off chance person like, idk, ryback or something? Even though ryback would lose, it would be more interesting than Kane.

I get not liking Kane, but fuckin' Ryback? Lol. You could have at least suggested someone like Cesaro or something.

 

[edge4ever]

I get not liking Kane, but fuckin' Ryback? Lol. You could have at least suggested someone like Cesaro or something.

It was for example purposes and still better than Kane lol

 

[Snowman1]

His run in NXT was good and he'll most likely never be booked like that again. Shame. Once you hit the main roster, all downhill from there.



Kane beating Rollins, followed by Sheamus cashing in would be the lamest scenario. If that happens, we'll grill yer ass for giving WWE ideas, Snow!

Really? Well youuuuuuuu are the one who pointed out the Sheamus cashin, so if that happens, it's certainly not my ass that should be thrown on the George Foreman. :

 

[Snowman1]

Also, if there's one thing we've learned in 2015, it's that Brock Lesnar is literally the easiest guy in the world to book. They literally sold a show on "YEAH SUNDAY BROCK LESNAR YEAH" and we were like "WOO! LESNAR!" and they said "LESNAR WWE NETWORK SUNDAY NOW GRARL" and we were like "YEAH BROCK SMASH BROCK SMASH WOO" and got crazy business for it, especially after we went onto Wikipedia and saw that he was facing Kofi and responded with morbid, paused, evil laughter and a sadistic smile for the murder that was soon to come live on PPV for only nine ninety nine... It was phenomenal, haha.

So now, how did they screw this up? Beast in the Northeast. They announced it at first as Lesnar at a house show and we continued our "haha... hahahahaha... mwahahahahahahaha!"-ness at the inevitable entertaining slaughter to come... then the announced the opponent and it suddenly became "hahaha...ha...oh...Big Show..."

THEN they actually promote it and pretend that Big Show is a threat which ZERO PEOPLE actually believe, which not only wastes time since you can just yell BROCK LESNAR in all caps and do record Network buys, but it actually takes away from the specialness of the match. Much of the appeal of Beast in the East was that it was a unique show, where opponents you'd never expect to cross paths did and it wasn't this show that gets the same hype as every other show... by dedicating segments of Big Show talking trash, it helps feel like just another match on just another segment on just another Raw, which contributes to just lower ratings... Can they just change it to Bo Dallas again? Like, he's almost as much of a giant at this point, right?

Then there's Lesnar and Taker which should still be salvaged, but it just feels like this one needs more gas on the fire since most of it's drawing power comes from the personal grudge

 

[The GOAT]

I dunno, I'm kind of amped to see Big Show get destroyed with what I hope are a variety of German suplexes myself. Of course no one buys him as a threat, but the same could be said about literally anybody at this point. From a size and strength standpoint, he looks more impressive destroying someone seemed "The World's Largest Athlete" than he would if he was just dismantling some lower-tier star, which feels more appropriate heading into his HIAC match with Undertaker. Beating him in the same arena where Big Show handed him his first ever loss back in the day (Heyman aiding Big Show by betraying Lesnar on that particular night notwithstanding) provides a small bit of historical significance to it as well.

Hopefully Taker makes a surprise appearance after the match and instigates some physicality with Brock to add some more fuel to the fire, though.

 

[edge4ever]

I dunno, I'm kind of amped to see Big Show get destroyed with what I hope are a variety of German suplexes myself. Of course no one buys him as a threat, but the same could be said about literally anybody at this point. From a size and strength standpoint, he looks more impressive destroying someone seemed "The World's Largest Athlete" than he would if he was just dismantling some lower-tier star, which feels more appropriate heading into his HIAC match with Undertaker. Beating him in the same arena where Big Show handed him his first ever loss back in the day (Heyman aiding Big Show by betraying Lesnar on that particular night notwithstanding) provides a small bit of historical significance to it as well.

Hopefully Taker makes a surprise appearance after the match and instigates some physicality with Brock to add some more fuel to the fire, though.

I see your point and why they're doing show vs Brock. But, I think it belittles taker and Brock at this point. Having show cut promos and Paul as well to promote show vs Brock is pointless. They didn't do that with kofi and Brock. It was just Brock the beast in the east. That was it and it was fine.

Taker and Brock is what everyone is really concerned with. It's their final encounter, Brock wants revenge, and it's a hell in a cell match. No one really gives 2 shits about show and Brock, ultimately. It distracts from what's bigger here: HIAC.

 

[The GOAT]

I see your point and why they're doing show vs Brock. But, I think it belittles taker and Brock at this point. Having show cut promos and Paul as well to promote show vs Brock is pointless. They didn't do that with kofi and Brock. It was just Brock the beast in the east. That was it and it was fine.

Taker and Brock is what everyone is really concerned with. It's their final encounter, Brock wants revenge, and it's a hell in a cell match. No one really gives 2 shits about show and Brock, ultimately. It distracts from what's bigger here: HIAC.

I agree with that. Given that this was a big marquee headliner for Summerslam (even deemed "The rematch too big for Wrestlemania", as oxymoronic as that was) and was originally planned to culminate at what they want to be the biggest Wrestlemania of all time, it's weird they're giving it so little promotion thus far, even if we do have three and a half weeks to go before Hell In A Cell.

However, Lesnar is scheduled to be on next week's Raw and on the go-home show as well (Undertaker is scheduled to be on the latter, too), so we're gonna be seeing Brock three more times from now till the PPV - the MSG show this Saturday, the October 5th Raw, and the October 19th Raw. That's at least one night where the two of them will cross paths again, and I have a feeling Taker will make an appearance at the show this Saturday as well (or at least magically force the lights to go out in the arena and send Brock a cryptic message or some shit.)

 

[Prince Bálor]

Also, if there's one thing we've learned in 2015, it's that Brock Lesnar is literally the easiest guy in the world to book. They literally sold a show on "YEAH SUNDAY BROCK LESNAR YEAH" and we were like "WOO! LESNAR!" and they said "LESNAR WWE NETWORK SUNDAY NOW GRARL" and we were like "YEAH BROCK SMASH BROCK SMASH WOO" and got crazy business for it, especially after we went onto Wikipedia and saw that he was facing Kofi and responded with morbid, paused, evil laughter and a sadistic smile for the murder that was soon to come live on PPV for only nine ninety nine... It was phenomenal, haha.

So now, how did they screw this up? Beast in the Northeast. They announced it at first as Lesnar at a house show and we continued our "haha... hahahahaha... mwahahahahahahaha!"-ness at the inevitable entertaining slaughter to come... then the announced the opponent and it suddenly became "hahaha...ha...oh...Big Show..."

THEN they actually promote it and pretend that Big Show is a threat which ZERO PEOPLE actually believe, which not only wastes time since you can just yell BROCK LESNAR in all caps and do record Network buys, but it actually takes away from the specialness of the match. Much of the appeal of Beast in the East was that it was a unique show, where opponents you'd never expect to cross paths did and it wasn't this show that gets the same hype as every other show... by dedicating segments of Big Show talking trash, it helps feel like just another match on just another segment on just another Raw, which contributes to just lower ratings... Can they just change it to Bo Dallas again? Like, he's almost as much of a giant at this point, right?

Then there's Lesnar and Taker which should still be salvaged, but it just feels like this one needs more gas on the fire since most of it's drawing power comes from the personal grudge

Beast In The Northeast? Nice! The house show on Saturday could've been named that way.

And, while it's true people give zero fucks about Big Show and there are a million better options for Brock's opponent out there, can't we just be happy Lesnar's gonna be causing havoc and murdering people? In this case, it's the lame ass Big Show, but whatevs. Show will look like a big, flappy vagina after the match. Even though it doesn't have that big fight feel to it and feels like "just another match" as you described it... It's still Brock Frickin' Lesnar. And speaking of salvaging Taker/Lesnar, they could have Taker appear post-Big Show/Bork match and have either guy do something wild to each other.

The MSG live special doesn't feel that special, because, you know, Rusev/DZ and RKO/Sheamus have already faced each other for a thousand times.
So, IDGAF about those matches. The freshest match is KO/Y2J, so I'm looking forward to it the most.

The New Day vs The Dudleyz could be fun. Hopefully The New Day retain. I want the Dudleyz winning the titles at TLC PPV in a TLC match.
But, that's just wishful thinking.

Oh, and there's Rollins vs Cena, too. We need that enhancement talent guy, Rollins, jobbing to Cena again to prove to everyone that the WWE-WHC and Rollins are inferior to the almighty Cena.

 

[Snowman1]

I dunno, I'm kind of amped to see Big Show get destroyed with what I hope are a variety of German suplexes myself. Of course no one buys him as a threat, but the same could be said about literally anybody at this point. From a size and strength standpoint, he looks more impressive destroying someone seemed "The World's Largest Athlete" than he would if he was just dismantling some lower-tier star, which feels more appropriate heading into his HIAC match with Undertaker. Beating him in the same arena where Big Show handed him his first ever loss back in the day (Heyman aiding Big Show by betraying Lesnar on that particular night notwithstanding) provides a small bit of historical significance to it as well.

Hopefully Taker makes a surprise appearance after the match and instigates some physicality with Brock to add some more fuel to the fire, though.

I do agree that the match itself has an eighty-plus perchent chance of being awesome, though. tunga:

 

[Red Rain]

I see your point and why they're doing show vs Brock. But, I think it belittles taker and Brock at this point. Having show cut promos and Paul as well to promote show vs Brock is pointless. They didn't do that with kofi and Brock. It was just Brock the beast in the east. That was it and it was fine.

Taker and Brock is what everyone is really concerned with. It's their final encounter, Brock wants revenge, and it's a hell in a cell match. No one really gives 2 shits about show and Brock, ultimately. It distracts from what's bigger here: HIAC.

Well, you do realize that WWE is promoting the 'Go 2 Hell tour' right? This means they must promote every appearance of the tour. This is called hot business.
Considering Lesnar took an 'L' to Undertaker as a hot the babyface, WWE is now doing their best to reclaim whatever momentum he may have lost at Summerslam.
This match is not pointless, nor was the promotional package pointless. They are keeping his name in the public eye and why shouldn't they?
This isn't just about Taker and Brock, this is about Brock. Brock is a face, they're promoting him and he's a big part of the company's revenue package.

There are two options: a) Do not mention Lesnar or b) Do mention Lesnar. WWE made this bed and I don't care if they gave this dude a cooking show. Book him. He's money.
Lesnar wasn't good enough to go over Taker but suddenly people are b*tching when WWE actually books Lesnar with some sort of logic and attention to detail.

 

[edge4ever]

Well, you do realize that WWE is promoting the 'Go 2 Hell tour' right? This means they must promote every appearance of the tour. This is called hot business.
Considering Lesnar took an 'L' to Undertaker as a hot the babyface, WWE is now doing their best to reclaim whatever momentum he may have lost at Summerslam.
This match is not pointless, nor was the promotional package pointless. They are keeping his name in the public eye and why shouldn't they?
This isn't just about Taker and Brock, this is about Brock. Brock is a face, they're promoting him and he's a big part of the company's revenue package.

There are two options: a) Do not mention Lesnar or b) Do mention Lesnar. WWE made this bed and I don't care if they gave this dude a cooking show. Book him. He's money.
Lesnar wasn't good enough to go over Taker but suddenly people are b*tching when WWE actually books Lesnar with some sort of logic and attention to detail.

I understand "hot business." What's hot business is taker vs Brock in HIAC, which is actually happening soon. Thus, it's important for them to push it as much as possible. Show being the main emphasis for Brock as of now only distracts from the real story here, which is taker and Brock as we all know that no one really gives 2 shits about a one time, random match with show for no true (consistent) reason except for the fact that they need him to fight someone at Madison square garden.

Show coming out and cutting promos, Paul doing it, etc., really distracts from what people care about: taker and Brock. They can advertise Brock fighting on the go to hell tour, but, much like they did with kofi and Brock, they don't need to have kofi come out and cut promos as well as Paul in order to "build" the match. There's no need to have a real story here or waste on raw because it's a thrown together, filler match at best.

They can book Brock. Never said they can't. But making some story about show and Brock while everyone knows that the main point is taker and Brock, seems stupid. Again, they didn't have kofi go out and cut promos and shit, they just merely fought and Brock was advertised. No harm, no foul. Should be same thing here.

 

[Red Rain]

I understand "hot business." What's hot business is taker vs Brock in HIAC, which is actually happening soon. Thus, it's important for them to push it as much as possible. Show being the main emphasis for Brock as of now only distracts from the real story here, which is taker and Brock as we all know that no one really gives 2 shits about a one time, random match with show for no true (consistent) reason except for the fact that they need him to fight someone at Madison square garden.

Show coming out and cutting promos, Paul doing it, etc., really distracts from what people care about: taker and Brock. They can advertise Brock fighting on the go to hell tour, but, much like they did with kofi and Brock, they don't need to have kofi come out and cut promos as well as Paul in order to "build" the match. There's no need to have a real story here or waste on raw because it's a thrown together, filler match at best.

They can book Brock. Never said they can't. But making some story about show and Brock while everyone knows that the main point is taker and Brock, seems stupid. Again, they didn't have kofi go out and cut promos and shit, they just merely fought and Brock was advertised. No harm, no foul. Should be same thing here.

Take this with a grain of salt but talking to you is like talking to a brick wall. You bring up point A, I not only retort point A but back up with logical deduction.
After that, you bring up point A again, dress it differently and expect me not to see that you are making the exact same point all over again.
You like to believe you are a reasonable poster yet the majority of your posts are so subjective that your passion overrides your ability to carry on a decent debate.
I did hear your argument the first time and, unfortunately, if I retort with something different, you'll simply go back and restate your point A again with the exact same premise.

Try not using 'all' or 'people want' in your posts if you expect to be taken serious as a quality poster. You have good insight, but your brick wall bullsh*t is getting stale.

 

[Green Jesus]

Schizo-kane is best kane. I still want rollins to retain, but I do think it would be interesting to see kane beat the current record of "longest interval between wwe title reigns" by a whooping 7 years. (Bob Backlund has a 3,985 days interval, while kane would have 6,327 days.)

I mean holy fucking shit that's one hell of a record. And knowing how wwe has hard-on for numbers, it wouldn't surprise me if they went this route only to have him cashed-on or whatever. Because its been 17 fucking years since his last title reign, that's something that will never be broken.

 

[edge4ever]

Take this with a grain of salt but talking to you is like talking to a brick wall. You bring up point A, I not only retort point A but back up with logical deduction.
After that, you bring up point A again, dress it differently and expect me not to see that you are making the exact same point all over again.
You like to believe you are a reasonable poster yet the majority of your posts are so subjective that your passion overrides your ability to carry on a decent debate.
I did hear your argument the first time and, unfortunately, if I retort with something different, you'll simply go back and restate your point A again with the exact same premise.

Try not using 'all' or 'people want' in your posts if you expect to be taken serious as a quality poster. You have good insight, but your brick wall bullsh*t is getting stale.

Lol okay? As if your mentality isn't the same? That reply wasn't even to you. And, sometimes I'm understanding, but other times, I'm not because I think that something is stupid and shouldn't be a certain way, I disagree and defend my point. We all do the same thing. Check yourself, friend.

 

[Snowman1]

Upon thinking about this a little more, there was totally a chance of "WWE Live from Madison Square Garden! Tune in to see the highly anticipated rematch of John Cena vs Randy Orton!"

i'll take this match for $9.99, Alex.