Rate RAW December 7th, 2015

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How would you rate this go-home episode of RAW?


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The GOAT

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This sounds fucking awful. Glad I haven't even bothered to skim through any of it on the DVR yet.

And am I reading this the wrong way, or do the results actually say that Team Roman beat three other teams in a 10 or 12-on-4 handicap match?
 

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Haha, it's because of you being able to spend Monday nights with Foxy, of course. ;)

Seriously though, it makes total sense in large part because when a roster is this loaded it's easy to turn it on and hope for something like the apparently better versions of Owens vs Ziggler when KO was just called up. And to be fair, there's some appeal to just watching this train hit a wall every Monday night too, getting quite a kick out of reading Shadow's threads and wondering what disaster unfolded this week lol, while Fox's reviews disintegrate from 15 lines of some good and some bad to the impending "0/10, fuck this" in 3 weeks.

Hell, so many people look back to the Attitude Era, shoot I just miss 2013. Can we get 20 minutes of Shield six-mans, please and thank you? As is, the dude over here who writes 800000000 words about Smackdown and white knights the hell out of that show is like "nah I'm good, LD sounds fun and all, nope, not doing it." How about 2011, when we had the WWE vs TNA vs ROH thing going on before WWE took all the talent and became this amorphous blob of relying on workrate on a show full of 18 heel factions that's booked like shit

If you ever want to stop watching, around week 3 it gets awfully easy. ;)

We all know that is the reason my boy watches on Monday ;)

My major reason for not quitting watching is twofold. First, I have been a wrestling fan for 30 years and that began with WWF. Although it hasn't always been my favorite promotion, it has been a major part of my life for most of my life and I am just not willing to turn my back on that.

The second reason is that the first time I did take a hiatus from WWF/E, it was because WWF had gotten so bad I couldn't stand it. And I stopped watching. And the Attitude Era commenced. I missed almost the entire Attitude Era and I just don't want that to happen twice.

But yeah, other than the one hiatus, I have stuck with WWE and it has always been a real major part of my life. I have stuck with it when many of my friends have moved on, and I know that in ten years, no matter what, I will still be watching it. It's part of me.
 
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This sounds fucking awful. Glad I haven't even bothered to skim through any of it on the DVR yet.

And am I reading this the wrong way, or do the results actually say that Team Roman beat three other teams in a 10 or 12-on-4 handicap match?

It was four teams of 3 I believe, all against each other. I didn't watch, it just wouldn't make sense any other way.
 

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Also, Lucha Dragons going over New Day :dafuq:
 

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It was four teams of 3 I believe, all against each other. I didn't watch, it just wouldn't make sense any other way.

4 teams of 4: The Wyatt Family vs The League of Nations vs Reigns, Usos and Amrbrose vs the ECW team of Rhyno, Dudlez and Dreamer.
 

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This sounds fucking awful. Glad I haven't even bothered to skim through any of it on the DVR yet.

And am I reading this the wrong way, or do the results actually say that Team Roman beat three other teams in a 10 or 12-on-4 handicap match?

It was basically the four way rules, if someone from your team loses, the entire team is eliminated.

Rowan ate a pin by Dreamer and The Wyatts got eliminated, Bubba ate the Brogue Kick and his team got eliminated, Reigns speared Sheamus (yes, you read that correctly) to get the win for his team.
 

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I have really been disappointed the way Dean Ambrose is being booked, I think it would benefit everyone if he just separates himself away from Reigns maybe replace Ambrose with Swagger in this new stable storyline.
 

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I have really been disappointed the way Dean Ambrose is being booked, I think it would benefit everyone if he just separates himself away from Reigns maybe replace Ambrose with Swagger in this new stable storyline.

Vince ain't gonna separate the two, Ambrose is Roman's pop machine.
 

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Vince: "Goddamit I don't get it! We put in a Fatal 4 Way elimination tag match, kill off Mexamerica and give Ziggler another nice match, what more do you fans want?!"

The rivalries SUCK Vince, where was I during this? I was playing Pokemon like a blueberry then browsing 4chan.

Benefits
-Mexamerica is finally dead, that was a stupid idea for Del Rio to begin with
-Ziggler vs. Owens
-Flair/Paige angle

Setbacks
-Rushed fatal 4 way tag that opened the show
-Breeze/Ziggler feud sucks, Ziggler still stale
-Rhyno's return rushed kinda like a la Erick Rowan's return a few months back
-O' Neil/Stardust going nowhere
-Ryback/Rusev sucks
-Bryon Saxton sucks

TLC might be worse than Survivor Series
 

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^Awesome

Someone needs to add Jim Ross Commentary to @Prince Bálor turning on Raw. NO GOD DON'T DO IT. DON'T DO IT. THINK OF YOUR FAMILY!

That was a great promo. Interesting we don't get stuff like this on Raw, but we got that main event deal there lol.

I actually watched the show because I'm on vacation and I have NOTHING else to do. Granted I only paid half attention as I was chatting with people, but anywho:
No Authority! Not seeing Steph would usually be a negative, but not having her and HHH ramble on for half an hour was refreshing (even if we got others doing the same).
I like Rhyno.
Opening segment/match was... different? As mentioned, the roster isn't deep enough to do 16 man tags on the OPENER, and I'm really not sure why they did it on the opener when the main event was what it was. I loved how Tommy Dreamer pinned somebody in 2015, especially with the "Dreamer Driver", as Cole called it.
Sheamus' backstage interview was OK
Titus/Stardust was definitely something that happened, not sure how it began or what it's leading to, but I guess it was fine. I laughed when Titus said Cody needed to get some.
Ziggler and Owens had a long, fun match with a clean finish (iirc)! Buys. Also, Dean making KO look like a bitch in the end was good.
BAD vs Bellas was... eh. Are the Bellas babyfaces? That's odd. Also, no Nikki, no buys. Anywho, New Day celebration with Sasha twerking made the whole show worthwhile, tbh.
New Day cut a good promo, these dudes are amazing. They lost the match via distraction finish, but, you know... it's one of those things that come along when you have 141 2/3 hours of TV weekly. People are gonna pin people.
Reigns' promo was there. Instead of a badass he's Cena. No need to beat a dead horse, so I won't comment
Miz TV was buys. Charlotte is MUCH better as a heel on the stick, seeing Paige is always fun, this apparent double turn deal they have is good. Hopefully Flair stays around as Charlotte's manager, especially if he starts going insane.
They actually got a few signs so you REALLY understand what a goof you are for buying PPV instead of the Network. I laughed.
Love how the setup for Ryback/Rusev having issues was the HEEL forfeiting a match to help his injured woman. Has anyone else noticed how Rusev is the biggest unintentional babyface on the show? He's a great man. Sadly he cut no promos here though.
Zeb no selling Swagger was ace. Breaking up ADR and Zeb was great, and Zeb no selling ADR was even acer. Zeb should just no sell people and drive away on his scooter, that's money.
Technically the main event of Raw was TOMMY DREAMER VS BRAUN STROWMAN. This is a world I want to live in.
The main event was really the only part that kinda bummed me out. I mean, that is the perfect summary of everything wrong with WWE these days. I won't give it minus five stars solely because somehow the crowd actually got into it (kinda), even though it was the lamest thing ever.
It's funny to see everybody either in two angles at the same time or appearing twice on the show. Granted half the roster is out, but it's still funny.

I think I officially stopped caring. Nothing on this show bummed me out, things were either legit good/funny, just there or so bad I laughed. I think I can start watching WWE again!
 

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That was a great promo. Interesting we don't get stuff like this on Raw, but we got that main event deal there lol.

I actually watched the show because I'm on vacation and I have NOTHING else to do. Granted I only paid half attention as I was chatting with people, but anywho:
No Authority! Not seeing Steph would usually be a negative, but not having her and HHH ramble on for half an hour was refreshing (even if we got others doing the same).
I like Rhyno.
Opening segment/match was... different? As mentioned, the roster isn't deep enough to do 16 man tags on the OPENER, and I'm really not sure why they did it on the opener when the main event was what it was. I loved how Tommy Dreamer pinned somebody in 2015, especially with the "Dreamer Driver", as Cole called it.
Sheamus' backstage interview was OK
Titus/Stardust was definitely something that happened, not sure how it began or what it's leading to, but I guess it was fine. I laughed when Titus said Cody needed to get some.
Ziggler and Owens had a long, fun match with a clean finish (iirc)! Buys. Also, Dean making KO look like a bitch in the end was good.
BAD vs Bellas was... eh. Are the Bellas babyfaces? That's odd. Also, no Nikki, no buys. Anywho, New Day celebration with Sasha twerking made the whole show worthwhile, tbh.
New Day cut a good promo, these dudes are amazing. They lost the match via distraction finish, but, you know... it's one of those things that come along when you have 141 2/3 hours of TV weekly. People are gonna pin people.
Reigns' promo was there. Instead of a badass he's Cena. No need to beat a dead horse, so I won't comment
Miz TV was buys. Charlotte is MUCH better as a heel on the stick, seeing Paige is always fun, this apparent double turn deal they have is good. Hopefully Flair stays around as Charlotte's manager, especially if he starts going insane.
They actually got a few signs so you REALLY understand what a goof you are for buying PPV instead of the Network. I laughed.
Love how the setup for Ryback/Rusev having issues was the HEEL forfeiting a match to help his injured woman. Has anyone else noticed how Rusev is the biggest unintentional babyface on the show? He's a great man. Sadly he cut no promos here though.
Zeb no selling Swagger was ace. Breaking up ADR and Zeb was great, and Zeb no selling ADR was even acer. Zeb should just no sell people and drive away on his scooter, that's money.
Technically the main event of Raw was TOMMY DREAMER VS BRAUN STROWMAN. This is a world I want to live in.
The main event was really the only part that kinda bummed me out. I mean, that is the perfect summary of everything wrong with WWE these days. I won't give it minus five stars solely because somehow the crowd actually got into it (kinda), even though it was the lamest thing ever.
It's funny to see everybody either in two angles at the same time or appearing twice on the show. Granted half the roster is out, but it's still funny.

I think I officially stopped caring. Nothing on this show bummed me out, things were either legit good/funny, just there or so bad I laughed. I think I can start watching WWE again!
Very true, but no mention of Rosey kind of brings your views down
 

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What is a Rosey? Is it another one of Roman's relatives in a superhero costume?
um, Rosey is the greatest athlete period, maybe his disable brother Roman has been pushed more in the industry. That should not take anything away from the one and only tag team specialist , does 140 day rein ring a bell. Come on get educated
 
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um, Rosey is the greatest athlete period, maybe his disable brother Roman has been pushed more in the industry. That should not take anything away from the one and only tag team specialist , does 140 day rein ring a bell. Come on get educated
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