Rate RAW! 10/14/2019

[TheprofileofJericho]

I personally think the segment was uninspiring, and just a copy of Orton burning the Wyatt compound a few years ago. The question about the fun house location should have never been explored in my opinion. Just leave it as it is, a platform for Bray to deliver promos, without coming to the ring. The less known about it, the better. It gives it a nice mysterious vibe. But nope, Seth needed something to burn down so there ya go.

As far as the character of Bray goes. I like to think that he is a calculating psychopath who knows exactly what he is doing. The fun house, the dolls and the split personality are just ways to mindfuck people.

 

[Redboy123@]

You are inserting the fantasy booking others have thought up and are treating it as actual kayfabe. No where on the programs have they alluded to it only being a thing in his mind. In fact, they have done the stupid "show the audience watching the show" thing to show that he is making a fake kid's show to further his agenda.

No everything has been implied. Regardless of what I thought, it was open to interpretation. It is no longer up for interpretation because now we have seth Rollins existing in the world and playing by its rules. It's now supernatural. Was open before. Now its fully closed. This shit is ultimate warrior in the mirror.

I personally think the segment was uninspiring, and just a copy of Orton burning the Wyatt compound a few years ago. The question about the fun house location should have never been explored in my opinion. Just leave it as it is, a platform for Bray to deliver promos, without coming to the ring. The less known about it, the better. It gives it a nice mysterious vibe. But nope, Seth needed something to burn down so there ya go.

As far as the character of Bray goes. I like to think that he is a calculating psychopath who knows exactly what he is doing. The fun house, the dolls and the split personality are just ways to mindfuck people.

Pretty much. Now they've ruined it. In kayfabe, rambling rabbit is real.

Really have buried this character. Only way is down unless something is drastically done.

Seth actually finding the place is ridiculous. Really devalues the whole character. Seth went backstage and just found the set. Anybody who doesn't think that needs to open their eyes. Its literally what's been shown on our TV screens.
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The only thing I liked about it was how bray was confused as to why Seth was doing that. It’s as if he has no control of the fiend and it’s a true alter ego... a split personality that he kind of doesn’t even like himself

The only redeemable part of the segment. Now the audience feels even more sorry for Bray. Hallmarks of a double turn. Even though that's definitely not the direction they are going in, nor should they. A babyface fiend is a terrible idea at this stage. Keep as this cool tweener. Just like this fued in general, this segment should not have been booked. Poor decision making. A good bit of character development in an absolute cluster fuck.

 

[TheprofileofJericho]

Pretty much. Now they've ruined it. In kayfabe, rambling rabbit is real.

Really have buried this character. Only way is down unless something is drastically done.

Seth actually finding the place is ridiculous. Really devalues the whole character. Seth went backstage and just found the set. Anybody who doesn't think that needs to open their eyes. Its literally what's been shown on our TV screens.
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Sadly Bray was the only person who knew what this character was. As soon as creative (Vince) got his hands on it, it was game over. I can only imagine what his next is move. On the next episode Vince the puppet comes out and says, ITS ME ROLLINS, IT WAS ME ALL ALONG. He is then revealed as the true mastermind behind the entire Fun House, and the Fiend is his pet.
#RamblingrabitiscoolerthanSeth

 

[Redboy123@]

Sadly Bray was the only person who knew what this character was. As soon as creative (Vince) got his hands on it, it was game over. I can only imagine what his next is move. On the next episode Vince the puppet comes out and says, ITS ME ROLLINS, IT WAS ME ALL ALONG. He is then revealed as the true mastermind behind the entire Fun House, and the Fiend is his pet.
#RamblingrabitiscoolerthanSeth

Yeah its fucked up. They probably thought it was really cool. Seth burning down the funhouse. Really cool badass shit. You is buying into this lol. It looked terrible, it was nonsensical and both men are worse off from it. Very counterproductive.

Realistically the direction they are going in is seth wins at crown Jewel and Bray continues to plummet. They will probably do a Bray vs Orton fued. Which you could only imagine will be terrible. Actually anything to do with this character is now terrible

 

[TheprofileofJericho]

Realistically the direction they are going in is seth wins at crown Jewel and Bray continues to plummet. They will probably do a Bray vs Orton fued. Which you could only imagine will be terrible. Actually anything to do with this character is now terrible

Firefly fun house of horrors match??? Well they are on separate brands, but not like that means anything ?

 

[bullyballmm]

Weird react to ever's reply for agreeing with his final part but disagreeing with his first part

I personally think the segment was uninspiring, and just a copy of Orton burning the Wyatt compound a few years ago.

UHHHHHHHHH that was sort of the point? Bray has said in a previous FFH episode that "History has a funny way of repeating itself." And they deliberately had that quote of his in the opening recap package for this weeks RAW. The whole Fiend thing has been bringing something new to the old - Bray attacking people who he has feuded with in the past + attacking "old timers", the references to all of Bray's past selves, having his first feud with Finn (big feud of his in the past) and now Seth.

Let me ask the people who are disagreeing with me here this: have you watched stuff like Don't Hug Me I'm Scared, EverymanHYBRID, and/or Gravity Falls? Because I feel like if you have not consumed that sort of media then you aren't going to get what Bray is doing with this new gimmick. There is a lot of blending reality with fantasy, callbacks/easter eggs, and the ability to derive multiple meanings from both obvious themes and hidden clues in them.

I feel like tagging @JacobFox here now because he might be able to get what I am saying and maybe elaborate further.

 

[TheprofileofJericho]

Weird react to ever's reply for agreeing with his final part but disagreeing with his first part




UHHHHHHHHH that was sort of the point? Bray has said in a previous FFH episode that "History has a funny way of repeating itself." And they deliberately had that quote of his in the opening recap package for this weeks RAW. The whole Fiend thing has been bringing something new to the old - Bray attacking people who he has feuded with in the past + attacking "old timers", the references to all of Bray's past selves, having his first feud with Finn (big feud of his in the past) and now Seth.

Just because they nodded at it, doesn't make it any less cheap, or any better. This is just like saying that they foreshadowed the Daenerys throne scene in S02 of GoT. Who cares, it was executed like crap, and that's all that matters.

Let me ask the people who are disagreeing with me here this: have you watched stuff like Don't Hug Me I'm Scared, EverymanHYBRID, and/or Gravity Falls? Because I feel like if you have not consumed that sort of media then you aren't going to get what Bray is doing with this new gimmick. There is a lot of blending reality with fantasy, callbacks/easter eggs, and the ability to derive multiple meanings from both obvious themes and hidden clues in them.

I feel like tagging @JacobFox here now because he might be able to get what I am saying and maybe elaborate further.

Seth entering the Fun House and burning it has nothing to do with stuff like Don't hug me I'm Scared, or any of the other ones you listed above. All of the previous episodes however are very similar, so I don't disagree with you on that. Hell I pretty much loved every Fun House segment up until this one.

 

[edge4ever]

Just because they nodded at it, doesn't make it any less cheap, or any better. This is just like saying that they foreshadowed the Daenerys throne scene in S02 of GoT. Who cares, it was executed like crap, and that's all that matters.




Seth entering the Fun House and burning it has nothing to do with stuff like Don't hug me I'm Scared, or any of the other ones you listed above. All of the previous episodes however are very similar, so I don't disagree with you on that. Hell I pretty much loved every Fun House segment up until this one.

Basically what he said. Idc what bray is kind of calling or acting like, the last segment just seemed rush and kind of lame.

 

[bullyballmm]

If it wasn't "rushed" then you would complain that "insert X wrestler/group of wrestlers here" was not on the show due to lack of time. They have like what like 3 episodes of main shows before Crown Jewel happens?

There is time for the story to still play out. Be patient

 

[TheprofileofJericho]

If it wasn't "rushed" then you would complain that "insert X wrestler/group of wrestlers here" was not on the show due to lack of time. They have like what like 3 episodes of main shows before Crown Jewel happens?

There is time for the story to still play out. Be patient

There is, but nothing they have done after Hell in a Cell suggests to me that this will improve. Besides even if the buildup improves, the end result will still most likely be a screwy finish, or Seth just winning. Unless of course they plan to put the Universal title on a SD guy, which by itself would be stupid, and make the Draft even more meaningless than it already is.
This is a classic example of WWE booking themselves into a corner, instead of doing the reasonable thing, and just dropping the story completely after it flopped at HiaC.
I mean seriously why would you put Bray on Smackdown, and continue this feud. Its like they are trying to piss people off.

 

[bullyballmm]

There is, but nothing they have done after Hell in a Cell suggests to me that this will improve. Besides even if the buildup improves, the end result will still most likely be a screwy finish, or Seth just winning. Unless of course they plan to put the Universal title on a SD guy, which by itself would be stupid, and make the Draft even more meaningless than it already is.
This is a classic example of WWE booking themselves into a corner, instead of doing the reasonable thing, and just dropping the story completely after it flopped at HiaC.
I mean seriously why would you put Bray on Smackdown, and continue this feud. Its like they are trying to piss people off.

Maybe they want the UC title on Smackdown? A feud that exists before a draft/brand split should be able to finish anyway. And Rollins is a world champ he should be able to appear on both shows anyway.

 

[Redboy123@]

I have enjoyed every funhouse up to that one as well. The latest one on raw was bollocks and was completely out of tune of the previous installments.

Seth vs Bray was a terrible decision. When it was first reported, I instantly thought this is going to stay far away from the story Bray wyatt was telling. And evidently it has, cuz this character has taken a turn for the worse

 

[TheprofileofJericho]

Maybe they want the UC title on Smackdown? A feud that exists before a draft/brand split should be able to finish anyway. And Rollins is a world champ he should be able to appear on both shows anyway.

Then why not go the simple route, draft the UC champion to SD, and save everyone a massive headache. Like there is literally no valid reason not to do this, it solves this entire problem. Instead they market this Draft for weeks as being some sort of a big deal, only for it to end up being another cheap ratings grab. Basically saying to the fans fuck you for being invested, or having expectations, thanks for the ratings LULZ!

You are aware that the Raw World champion, appearing on Smackdown kills the entire point of the Draft, right?