Rate Raw 01/09/2017

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Rate this week's episode of Raw!

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Damn, that was a bad show and a bloody chore to watch. 3/10

Highlights:
- Rusev referring to himself as the Bulgarian George Clooney.

- It was nice to see HBK back, but that segment felt like a waste and would've put me to sleep if it wasn't for Rusev. Also, yeah, I get that it prolongs Rusev/Jinder vs Enzo/Cass feud, but I still don't give a damn about that.

- Neville and Swann brought some good intensity to their short in-ring brawl.

- Taker's promo was OK. I would've preferred if he had announced his entry for the Rumble match on SD, but I guess RAW needed a ratings boost. So, I hope it helped them.

- JeriKO vs Reigns was a decent ME. Nice to see Y2J win the only title he hasn't won, but they set up Roman for another hostile night at the Rumble by doing this. Oh, well.

Everything else pretty much sucked or isn't even worth talking about.
 

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Jericho winning the US Title was pretty much the only thing I watched. Rollins vs Strowman wasnt bad though.

Rest is eh. Not worth the words.
 

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Another lousy Raw. I gave it a 2. This show was NOT saved by Jericho becoming the new United States champion because it pretty much guarantees Roman Reigns will win the Universal Title at the Rumble.

Blech.

The way i see it, if Roman wins atleast I don't have to bother with Raw anymore. Having KO as champion makes you wonder where the brand is going, having Roman as champion you know without even tuning in lol
 
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The way i see it, if Roman wins atleast I don't have to bother with Raw anymore. Having KO as champion makes you wonder where the brand is going, having Roman as champion you know without even tuning in lol

That works for a lot of people who aren't me though haha. I make the Raw rate threads so it just means I have to suffer through Roman every week. Or I guess I could just read the results after the show goes off the air and then post them.

I kid in a way. I've been watching Raw since 1993 so I sort of figure I'll keep doing it no matter how bad it gets. I'm a sucker for patterns.
 
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That works for a lot of people who aren't me though haha. I make the Raw rate threads so it just means I have to suffer through Roman every week. Or I guess I could just read the results after the show goes off the air and then post them.

I kid in a way. I've been watching Raw since 1993 so I sort of figure I'll keep doing it no matter how bad it gets. I'm a sucker for patterns.

*invents the survivor medal for anyone who watches Raw during the era of the BIG DAWG*
 
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Another lousy Raw. I gave it a 2. This show was NOT saved by Jericho becoming the new United States champion because it pretty much guarantees Roman Reigns will win the Universal Title at the Rumble.

Blech.

This really is so frustrating to read. Not you, Mr. Fox, but everyone shares in your opinion... well, knowledge... of this making it clear that Roman Wins LOL...

It makes me sit down and wonder why this is the only company (hell, the only show) where this is such a problem. Where it's not only so easy to call the booking in advance and say that one guy losing a title means he's winning another (since it's been a while GET RID OF THE MIDCARD BELTS! PLEASE!) but VKM seems to be the only promoter out there that just can't push a guy. No other show. NJPW. Lucha Underground. TNA. Hell even Smackdown or NXT. Has anything like this.

There was an article making waves about how WWE is wanting to "make multiple top guys" instead of "THE TOP GUY", all caps. Maybe that's the answer to the problem, but too little too late :(

Ryback put it perfectly. When you boo Roman, it's because you're booing Vince. Hell I'm a huge fan of Joe Ano'ai, he's a hell of a performer and a wrestler. Roman Reigns can go suck it
 

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This really is so frustrating to read. Not you, Mr. Fox, but everyone shares in your opinion... well, knowledge... of this making it clear that Roman Wins LOL...

It makes me sit down and wonder why this is the only company (hell, the only show) where this is such a problem. Where it's not only so easy to call the booking in advance and say that one guy losing a title means he's winning another (since it's been a while GET RID OF THE MIDCARD BELTS! PLEASE!) but VKM seems to be the only promoter out there that just can't push a guy. No other show. NJPW. Lucha Underground. TNA. Hell even Smackdown or NXT. Has anything like this.

There was an article making waves about how WWE is wanting to "make multiple top guys" instead of "THE TOP GUY", all caps. Maybe that's the answer to the problem, but too little too late :(

Ryback put it perfectly. When you boo Roman, it's because you're booing Vince. Hell I'm a huge fan of Joe Ano'ai, he's a hell of a performer and a wrestler. Roman Reigns can go suck it

It's just baffling. There is EVERY indication that this will never work, so it doesn't make sense why they continue with it.

My only thought is that it has to do with Vince's ego. He has in the past stated that as a third generation promoter that he knows better than anyone what decisions to make in regards to what will work. But that's asinine. He honestly believes that he can tell people what they are supposed to like.

It's nothing new. He's done it before. But usually, he loses the pig headedness and eventually backs off. He backed off the Luger train, although that may have had more to do with Luger's other problems. He backed of the Rocky Maivia train, and I am sure that was hard has hell for him. I don't know why he has such a bug up his ass about Roman, but it seems he's almost willing to completely go down with the ship on this one.

And I agree. It's not Joe's fault. Although, honestly, I think he needs to be a little less of a dick to the fans who don't like him when the cameras are off. He needs to take a page from John Cena and try embracing the people who hate him. THAT is why Cena can be the number one guy while also being despised by a huge faction of fans. But this animosity for Roman Reigns is only going to keep growing and it is going to eventually really hurt the WWE and it might ruin Joe's career if they don't do something different with him.
 

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He needs to take a page from John Cena and try embracing the people who hate him. .

Embrace the hate....

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Oh god the flashbacks...But yes...

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Roman Reigns. Turn to the dark side...They have cookies...
 

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It's just baffling. There is EVERY indication that this will never work, so it doesn't make sense why they continue with it.

My only thought is that it has to do with Vince's ego. He has in the past stated that as a third generation promoter that he knows better than anyone what decisions to make in regards to what will work. But that's asinine. He honestly believes that he can tell people what they are supposed to like.

It's nothing new. He's done it before. But usually, he loses the pig headedness and eventually backs off. He backed off the Luger train, although that may have had more to do with Luger's other problems. He backed of the Rocky Maivia train, and I am sure that was hard has hell for him. I don't know why he has such a bug up his ass about Roman, but it seems he's almost willing to completely go down with the ship on this one.

And I agree. It's not Joe's fault. Although, honestly, I think he needs to be a little less of a dick to the fans who don't like him when the cameras are off. He needs to take a page from John Cena and try embracing the people who hate him. THAT is why Cena can be the number one guy while also being despised by a huge faction of fans. But this animosity for Roman Reigns is only going to keep growing and it is going to eventually really hurt the WWE and it might ruin Joe's career if they don't do something different with him.

Man, whenever we get into the Roman Reigns discussion on here, we bring up that last part and remember his line about "Sure, there's a lot of hate for me, but at the end of the day, I'm just a dude getting rich!"... and it's SO apparent that it would be the GOAT heel catchphrase. LETS DO IT VINCE

But... It's a weird time in wrestling, and I can't help but think Vince is overthinking kayfabe and the modern wrestling fan. We talk about our star ratings and our backstage drama and all this stuff and understand pushes and faces and heels and... Vince clearly knows this. Like I can't get away from his whole "I'm not a good guy..." line, where he was winking at the fans talking about how "Hey, I'm not a face or a heel, but I'm VINCE'S CHOSEN ONE". Annoying enough, but then you add in how it made no sense for the TV character Roman Reigns to be talking about out of kayfabe bullshit while running down AJ Styles... (Which is why I thought he was designed to be a heel during this time. Really all of 2016 before they were like "Look! Shield bros are back! Double Powerbombs! Member the Shield, eh? Remember how cool they were? Remember how cool Roman was? Oooooahhhhh? Yeah!?"). Enough with the shades of grey stuff, and the Cena-esque "Either way, they're invested! They'll pay to watch him win or they'll pay to watch him lose!" junk can go. We know what faces and heels are in WWE nowadays, that doesn't mean they don't matter anymore. There's too many great examples recently of the proper alignments helping a match out tremendously.

Like with the rest of Raw, there's this sense of "Well we need storylines on the show because that's what brings people in and all but ehhhhh the fans really don't care about them so if they suck and produce a 3 1/2 star main event of Raw hey they'll be happy!"... Would be nice if they could take a cue from Smackdown and see just how much that show's benefitted from just doing some small things well. Stuff the McMahons can take lessons from... well, watching themselves on their own documentaries.

The Vince of those days knew the fans loved the faces and hated the heels regardless because it was all o-kayfabe. Now it seems like he's been too many people on Twitter create the cluster of a wrestling scene we have today, when it just seems so simple as redoing Luger or Maivia.

If Reigns was on Smackdown, maybe they'd find a way to make us accept him as a face. Doubt he'll be this Hulk Hogan level megastar that Vince expects, but as a perfectly fine main event babyface much like 2017 Cena? Why not?

Not even sure if this was a very good ramble piece, thinking about it has went in 100 different directions the last few days, but... Hey, discussion!