Money in the Bank Rate Money in the Bank 2017

  • Welcome to "The New" Wrestling Smarks Forum!

    I see that you are not currently registered on our forum. It only takes a second, and you can even login with your Facebook! If you would like to register now, pease click here: Register

    Once registered please introduce yourself in our introduction thread which can be found here: Introduction Board


Rate MITB 2017

  • 0/10

    Votes: 1 5.3%
  • 1/10

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • 2/10

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • 3/10

    Votes: 2 10.5%
  • 4/10

    Votes: 3 15.8%
  • 5/10

    Votes: 4 21.1%
  • 6/10

    Votes: 5 26.3%
  • 7/10

    Votes: 3 15.8%
  • 8/10

    Votes: 1 5.3%
  • 9/10

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • 10/10

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    19

Prince Bálor

I'm kind of a big deal
Joined
Apr 27, 2014
Messages
24,384
Reaction score
6,635
Points
0
Location
Serbia
MITB was a decent show. It would've been much better if it wasn't for some of the finishes, but oh well. 6/10

- Carmella vs Charlotte vs Becky Lynch vs Natalya vs Tamina was a solid show opener. ★★½
All women involved were working hard in order to make this historic match a very good one, but the ending ruined it. Not because Carmella won, because let's face it, most of us predicted she would win it, but the execution of the finish came off poorly. Sure, it'll give them some much needed heat because Carmella gets none when she comes out because she's not very good, but that's besides the point. The point is, this was a historic match and the ending should've been Carmella grabbing the briefcase, maybe even on top of Ellsworth's shoulders. That way you still get heel heat, but this way... Well, I can't say I liked it.

- The Usos vs The New Day was pretty good. ★★★½
Both teams played their roles well, they worked at a good pace and put on some fun action from start to finish. It's a shame the ending itself was a bit flat, though. I didn't hate it or anything, The New Day definitely didn't need to win here and yes, it extended the feud, but it just fell flat.

- Naomi vs Lana was decent. ★★
Well, it was much better than anticipated. Lana's debut match was actually OK, she still has ways to go, but this wasn't bad.

- The Fashion Vice segment was fun. The best part was Fandango holding a phone with "Property of Paul E." written on the side of it.

- The debut of Mike & Maria Kanellis was alright. So, the power of love gimmick, huh? Alright. We'll see how that goes, but I thought the debut went well.

- Jinder Mahal vs Randy Orton was rock solid. ★★¾
It was slighly better than their Backlash match. I mean, the crowd was invested and Jinder was much more aggressive and the crowd was really into Orton, but the ending was exactly the same as it was in their previous outing, which is kinda lame. This match would've been better with less shenanigans and a different finish, but oh well.

- Breezango vs The Ascension was OK, but skippable. ★½
It was a filler match. And The Fashion Police won. It's all I can say.

- Baron Corbin vs AJ Styles vs Shinsuke Nakamura vs Sami Zayn vs Kevin Owens vs Dolph Ziggler was a great ME. ★★★★
It was great and MOTN, as expected. Everyone worked and bumped their ass off and they created some great moments. They have a lot of interesting match-ups coming out of this, so I guess I don't mind Corbin winning (as most of us predicted), even though I would've preferred Sami winning. But, oh well. It was still a great match.
 

Mustafar Reginald

The Lunatic Fringe
Joined
Sep 26, 2012
Messages
1,325
Reaction score
628
Points
0
Money in the Bank Review

So Did Anyone Hear That The First Women's Money in the Bank Was Won by a Guy?
So at this point I assume everybody already knows 100% where they stand on the finish. Either you hate it, like what seems to be majority, or you're cool with it. Honestly, I'll fully admit that it's kinda shitty that a landmark for the women in WWE is forever going to be defined by the actions of a man. But to be honest, I like the finish. Partially because I always wanted to see a finish like this for Money in the Bank. I'm not saying a would've booked it that way, I think there were plenty of other ways to do it that would've been better but I'm not super bothered by it. To be honest, what happened to Bayley at Extreme Rules is far more of a shot against the Women's Revolution than Ellsworth winning for Carmella. Because Extreme Rules was character assassination match that barely got a sneeze of time. Conversely, this was the third longest match on the card, everyone got time to shine, and the scumbag finish is being presented on every level as a scumbag finish.

Like, I heard people compare this to Santino's run as Santina and no, that was far worse. Because when Santina won, it was presented as a punchline. And Santina just became a running gag. Ellsworth winning, was presented as a screwed up moment that everyone was treating seriously. 2/3rds of the referee's were calling bullshit on the finish, 2/3rds of the commentary team were calling bullshit on the finish, just about everyone one on twitter not James Ellsworth or Carmella were calling bullshit on the finish. This is the story, the controversy and heat from this finish, that was the point. That was their intention. And it feels like a big deal. It feels like a bigger deal than if say Becky won because Becky's pretty great. It's the topic of conversation leaving MITB, and I don't think that would've happened otherwise.

But that being said, I am NOT saying that anyone's anger is invalid and that you should just tip your hat to WWE for trolling you hard. You're suppose to want to watch the next show from PPV's. If this decision made you mad enough that you're not going to watch, then yeah, WWE went too far with and it was a bad decision. And your feelings aren't invalidated by WWE's intentions, so while I may not feel the same way, it definitely runs the risk of pissing people off in the wrong way. I do kinda like the WWE are doing risks. And personally, if I was booking, I would've used this as a false finish and re-started the match with Ellsworth ejected. Honestly I don't think lingering on the ref's arguments for so long was a good idea if they weren't going that route. Made the finish seem sloppy.

Ignoring the finish though, what about the actual match? Well, it was good! Surprisingly, they manage to tell a mostly cohesive story, you know for a five competitor ladder match, and everyone got their moment. I really liked the start of the match, focusing on Tamina cleaning house after the other four women ditched the ring for the ladders. Nice use of the numbers they have and it got Tamina's spotlight out of the way (that Samoan Drop she did to Carmella, I think, looked terrible). The "Let Go of Ladder" spot lasted way too long though. Charlotte and Carmella were actually the highlights for me. Charlotte's moonsault was a thing of beauty and Carmella had some pretty fun spots. Like her using the support hinges to switch sides of the ladder or her struggle to pick up the ladder was pretty funny. Though in hindsight that kinda makes the finish worse. Anyway, it was good. A little upset that there was no dive off a ladder or anything but I'm glad that they utilized the gimmick and it was an interesting bout with a controversial finish. I'm fine with it right now.

Match Rating: 7/10

Tag Team Excellence
Going into Money in the Bank, I had a sneaking suspicion that this match might actually steal the show. It didn't of course but it was definitely the second best bout of the night. Just a lot of solid tag team wrestling. The Usos had a lot of great tag team moves, especially those targeting the leg of Kofi Kingston. And New Day had a lot of great moments in the match, Big E's apron spear and suplex dominance, Kofi's trust fall and weird super-kick counter. It was great really entertaining and once again, I liked the finish. Of course it's a bit of blue balls but I thought the match effectively built the match to the point where the countout victory felt earned in a way. Like after that Big Ending break up, the pull-away then walk away just made sense. And as much as I still like the New Day, I really didn't want to see The Usos dropping the titles so quickly so yeah, good story progression here and I'm really looking forward to the rematch.

Match Rating: 8/10

I Mean it Was Competent
To be honest, my title kinda expresses my sentiment exactly. This bout wasn't really entertaining but it worked well enough as a showcase for what Lana can do while keeping Naomi strong in defending her belt. For Lana, I liked those suplexes into the ropes, especially the first one she did since Naomi's under knee area hit the ropes directly, looked pretty cool. I also liked that, ass on rope then kick swipe move Lana did. The match will be docked a point though for the superfluous briefcase flaunting of Carmella. Like, it didn't really cost Lana the match from my memory, it just, killed up time. Fun fact, I watched this after work and all my friend told me was that it was really weird, like above No Mercy 2007 weird (and no, it wasn't even close to that, I doubt that'll be topped for a good while) so when Carmella came out I briefly thought she was actually going to do a Rollins. Once I got over that, I knew she wasn't going to cash-in. I was steadfast going into the PPV that the Women's MITB winner wouldn't cash-in quickly because WWE's going to want to milk it but I thought, hey if there's a chance she might be stripped of the briefcase, why not cash in now and avoid that possibility. But alas it didn't happen.

Also, what the fuck Naomi!? That entrance was just . . . and you gave some guy your ass rag.

Match Rating: 4/10

Here She Comes Again, Like Good Medicine
I loved this. I loved everything about this. I love that they weren't using WWE mics, making them seem more like teleprompters [of love]. Like if they're weren't going to show me the power of love, they'd at least show me a good deal on coffee makers. I love that both are going by Kanellis. Because their love is clearly the focus of their gimmick so having them share last names highlights that nicely. I loved that it's Kanellis too. It's probably because she's the one that's spent years in WE but also hopefully it indicates that they'll be focusing more on her than him. I hope both do good mind you, I just haven't seen Bennett's work. & considering she did most of the mic work, I am assuming Maria's going to be a focus. Love that Maria doesn't age because I mean fuck it didn't even seem like she wrinkled or anything. She looked exactly the same from when she left, minus like maybe a tattoo I think is new, and the dress is new. & the guy on her lips is new. And I loved the song. It compliments the gimmick so well and those cheesy semi rock ballads (as in semi rock, cause it's the type of song a rock band would put out to seem sensitive) are great. Totally fine with losing Legs Like That which I didn't think I was going to be able to say. This won't count towards the final rating but I just have to throw this out here because I have my own personal bias involved here.

Promo Rating: 10/10

Was Ric Flair Only Out There For Orton's Match? Bad Father
They gave them twenty minutes. That was way too long for this match. I liked the match better than their Backlash match but I can't really say much more than it was competent. I liked the idea behind the match with Orton dominating until he lands badly and then Jinder takes over. I don't really remember how that transitioned into Orton regaining control because twenty minutes was too long and my interest waned fast. The finish was really stupid. Like, point off for it just being a blatant repeat of Backlash but why was the ref's natural inclination to DQ the Singh Siblings rather than eject them? Like if they attacked Orton I'd get it, like when Dean had to beg the ref on Maryse but all the did was move Jinder's foot on the rope. I don't get what Orton had to make a case to not get DQ'd. Of course Orton fucked that up and the Singh's didn't even listen to the ref in the slightest. Cool that the crowd was into it, and basically the whole show, I guess though.

Match Rating: 3/10

Fashion Police Keep You Warm at Night & Makes You Feel Nice
For starters, I still hope/believe American Alpha are the true culprits and this Ascension thing was a bait & switch. For seconds, Fashion Vice was awesome. My three favorite jokes were, III. The Southpaw reference, II. "Is it Coliseum?", I. They couldn't afford the rights to U2, so they just plastered the lyrics on the screen. But this isn't being graded by Fashion Vice, which also be like 9 or 10, but instead by the match. I was more entertained by the commentary than the match itself.

Match Rating: 4/10

If You're Not in The Ring When The Bell Rings, You're Not in The Match. This is a Minor Nitpick And of Course Gauntlet Style Matches Are Excluded Here But Shinsuke Should Not of Legally Been Allowed to Enter The Match, He Was No Longer Participating in it. For an Inverse Example, When Hornswoggle Won The Cruiserweight Championship And My Soul Died a Little, Pun Intended, he Wasn't Even Scheduled in The Match he Won it in. He Just Ran Through the Ring When The Bell Rung, Which Made Him Officially a Part of The Match, Allowing Him The Sneak Win. They Also Have to Be Standing in The Ring While The Bell Rings, Hence Why Bryan Had to Forfeit One of His Money in the Bank Cash-in's Because Henry Was on His Knees When it Happened. Anyway, I'm Bringing This up Here Because Clearly Nobody Except me Cares & I'm Aware it's Not a Big Deal in The Grand Scheme of Things But it Bothered me so I'm Acknowledging it. Also Titles Are Hard.
I promise I'm going to stop with the super long titles eventually. Anyway, for the first while of this match I wasn't really feeling it, and was even thinking that I'd end up preferring the Women's. It just felt like an cluttered mess of spots, there wasn't much in terms of progression or story to it. There were some cool spots, I liked the Dolph running up the ladder to stop the Forearm, and the Deep Six was awesome just for how Baron Corbin almost knocked Dolph straight into the camera. But for a good while I was just kinda bored while it seemed like they were going through the motions. The only moment I thought was bad though was Dolph instructing Corbin on how to use the ladder and then patting him on the back like Dolph somehow doesn't understand big meanie beanie Corbin's character yet. JBL's there talking up Dolph's experience factor and yet he makes the dumbest mistake in the match. But in terms of complaints, they all end here.

The match began turn around for me when AJ, Dolph, and Sami (I believe) were all trying to get the briefcase, with AJ using the support hinges to stand on there. But it didn't truly kick off until Sami's fantastic outing basically eliminating everyone. I became really invested and actually thought Sami might win here, despite logic dictating that Shinsuke still had to come out. And before I get to that, I just want to talk about a splatter of great spots outside of Shinsuke. Sami's suplex (I can't think of the name, it wasn't a tiger suplex but that's all that's coming to mind) on Kevin was fantastic and then EVERYTHING AJ STYLES DID. The AA was awesome but of course the best was his incredible hang and drop. That was absolutely sick and even though he needs the briefcase the least of everyone, in that moment I wanted him to win.

But anyway, Shinsuke comes out and then we get some of the best camera work in WWE's entire history. They did an unbelievably good job here though I do have some criticisms in that regard. But anyway, Shinsuke comes out and clobbers everyone, he then goes to grab the ladder but somebody else grabs it and the reveal, unless I'm just remembering wrong, was done through face close-up. Even if that's not how they revealed it was AJ, the close-ups spoke volumes and the two moving the ladder to the side with the fans erupting, it was beautiful. AJ's Forearm was my favorite part of their exchange. But I also, absolutely loved the slow sweep shot of AJ & Shinsuke battling on the ladder with backdrop being all the fans on their feet. That was such a fantastic shot, I can't believe WWE kept changing the angles up. None of the angles match the impact of that shot. I'm expecting Shinsuke/AJ at SummerSlam. And it seems apparent now that Corbin taking out Shinsuke wasn't to give Corbin some heat but it was to keep Shinsuke and AJ apart as much as possible until their singles match. Separated for almost the entirety of the match, tease at the end, big one on one at SummerSlam. It's fantastic.

Corbin winning was safe and predictable but I also thought he was the best choice. It was either going to be him or Sami, I don't think anybody else would've truly benefited from it like those two would've. Having another announced cash-in, which is how I think it would've went with Sami would've been great but Corbin needed the win more (especially with Sami trouncing him). He now has an attached purpose along with him and they can use this, to build him up to the point where a cash-in will feel more credible. Not that credibility matters much when Jinder can just win it but still. Awesome match.

Match Rating: 9/10

Show Rating: 5.8/10

Rankings

PPV's
I. Payback ~ 6.4/10
II. WrestleMania 33 ~ 6.1/10
III. Money in the Bank ~ 5.8/10
IV. Backlash ~ 5.1/10

Matches

I. WWE Title, John Cena vs. AJ Styles (c): Royal Rumble ~ 10/10
II. WWE Title, Bray Wyatt vs. AJ Styles vs. The Miz vs. Dean Ambrose vs. Baron Corbin vs. John Cena (c), Elimination Chamber: Elimination Chamber ~ 9/10
III. Money in the Bank, AJ Styles vs. Dolph Ziggler vs. Kevin Owens vs. Shinsuke Nakamura vs. Baron Corbin vs. Sami Zayn: Money in the Bank ~ 9/10
IV. Raw Tag Team Titles, Sheamus & Cesaro vs. The Hardy Boyz (c): Payback ~ 8/10
V. CW Title, Austin Aries vs. Neville (c): Payback ~ 8/10
VI. Raw Women's Title, Alexa Bliss vs. Bayley (c): Payback ~ 8/10
VII. Raw Women's Title, Charlotte Flair vs. Sasha Banks vs. Nia Jax vs. Bayley (c): WrestleMania 33 ~ 8/10
VIII. Universal Title, Brock Lesnar vs. Goldberg (c): WrestleMania 33 ~ 8/10
IX. AJ Styles vs. Shane McMahon: WrestleMania 33 ~ 8/10
X. CW Title, Jack Gallagher vs. Neville (c): Fastlane ~ 8/10

I still haven't seen that Takeover event yet, and I skipped Extreme Rules entirely. So yeah. Also, remainder that there's no weight to my score, a twenty minute match impacts the PPV Rating the same as a one minute match.
 

Snowman1

Chillin' with the snowmies.
Joined
Feb 5, 2012
Messages
33,052
Reaction score
11,726
Points
0
Location
Cuteville
I pretty much have to echo the thoughts of Fox on this one... but not necessarily the booking of the show itself but where it's going.

Glad I didn't have to squint too much at the women's match! Laughed at the Ellsworth thing thinking it was a comedy spot, then rolled my eyes and stopped myself from turning the TV off.
But as much as I hate main roster tags, I love the Urban Usos and really liked that match! Great job keeping the action pretty exciting, y'all. Best main roster tag since the Shield days, maybe? The action here was so good that I didn't really mind the non-finish - plus it felt earned and even to my jaded ass it felt like the Usos doing a dick move
Naomi and Lana was fine among predictably no expectations
Jinder and Randy was predictably garbage but they knew how to get the crowd into it but if they have to do this much to get a second star in your rating then why is this a title feud
Main event was the typical fun you'd expect from MITB

That's most of the thoughts, but... It's more about watching cowardly heel title reigns for Corbin and Carmella after more of this Jinder Mahal title reign. Sounds like a lot of skipped Smackdowns for me. All this great talent on the roster we'll never get a chance to truly appreciate.

All the indy stars bowing to the muscleheads, even.
 
Last edited:

Snowman1

Chillin' with the snowmies.
Joined
Feb 5, 2012
Messages
33,052
Reaction score
11,726
Points
0
Location
Cuteville
Also, it struck me it's been one year since MITB 2016 and Dean Ambrose's WWE title win... Outside of Balor's initial win with the Universal Title, the only babyface title win since Daniel Bryan. Crazy to think. I understand heat draws money, but eventually we could use a happy moment or two.

(though SD has had other satisfying championship wins with the other belts)
 

Grievous 3D

Is Currently In Stasis
Banned
Joined
Sep 30, 2016
Messages
14,732
Reaction score
10,647
Points
0
Age
42
Location
Townsville, Queensland, Australia
Well...better late than never...

~ Missed the kick off show...but I was hoping Ryder would turn on Mojo...but he didn't...
~ So the main show opened with the Women's Ladder Match and my Bae Charlotte
came out first...which was awesome. I was happy the booking team decided to open
the event with this match.
~ The match itself was...okay? I think? It only went for 13:20...which was way too short
and the ending was terribly booked. I think the WWE realize that with them basically
hitting the "reset button" and stripping Carmella of the briefcase.

Hopefully the ladies will get 30+ minutes and a proper ending to the rematch on SmackDown
coming up...but it doesn't change the fact the WWE really fucked up with this one.

I is not happy.

Also Charlotte looked amazing and Tamina was shockingly the standout in the match.

~ New Day vs. Usos was great...but the ending was bullshit...
~ Naomi vs. Lana was...alright. Lana was better than I expected but I honestly think Carmella
should have cashed in and won the belt...and that way setting up a 6/or 7 woman ladder match
at the next SmackDown pay per view.

But...a large part of me is happy Naomi retained and has won a couple of televised matches
recently.

~ Maria Kanellis & her husband showed up...and that's okay I guess. I don't really have an
opinion.

~ Jinder retained...and the match was okay I guess. I'm kind of over Orton and I'd rather see
Jinder feuding with someone new...like Sami Zayn. Better Jinder be champion than Orton.
~ Breezango vs. Ascension was pointless...and it was time that should have been given to
the women's ladder match.

~ The Men's Ladder Match was great...but I didn't like the booking of Nakamura...he
should have been out there the entire time. Corbin won as I was hoping...and hopefully
which ever face defeats Jinder will be attacked by the Wolf as he claims the WWE title.

Overall...it seemed a fairly uneven pay per view...and I was extremely pissed by the
booking of the Women's Ladder Match which ended in the way I was most dreading
while teasing me that Becky was going to claim the case before that fucking, chinless
idiot ruined everything.

Heel heat or not...it was complete and utter horseshit booking the WWE realize that by
hitting the reset button as quickly as they possibly can.

Of course...after watching Money in the Bank I was in hospital within a couple of hours
and having surgery the next day.

This pay per view will always be a tainted memory for me...because of the booking and
because of my health failing me again.

Also...I think Kevin Owens should have defended the US title against Tye Dillinger and
Luke Harper should have been in the ladder match.

Just my opinion...
 

Jeremy

The Showoff
Joined
Apr 21, 2013
Messages
1,267
Reaction score
132
Points
0
Age
30
Location
Pennsylvania
A great Mens MITB match and a solid Uso's vs New Day match saved the show from being a complete disaster. 4/10
 

SWAGSUKE

The Artiste
Banned
Joined
Jul 1, 2016
Messages
819
Reaction score
135
Points
0
Age
44
Location
Seattle, Washington, US
Carmella is the best possible choice for Ms. MITB. She is going to run wild with that heat. Goddamn I love what they've done with Ellsworth.