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Didn't see this thread, sorry @[Stopspot]. :upset:


Good PPV overall.

The finish of Ryback vs Punk was really well done, very smart.
Sheamus/Show was actually pretty decent with a good ending, and everything to do with Kane/Bryan was top drawer.

7/10 for the PPV
 

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Rain said:
4.5/10. The anti-No Surrender. Atlanta should be banned from ever getting to see a live event again.

Every match was at least good, and I marked out seeing Big Show win the WHC. Yes, you read that right.
Sheamus is like the smarks version of Ric Flair... his reign has been so bad for so long that you keep tuning in just to pray he loses the damn thing, and now Big Show's a smark hero. BIG SHOW. Match of the night as well.

Again, all the matches were good, but they had 6 weeks to build this thing. After that long, you shouldn't feel completely apathetic towards every match except for 2. ADR/Orton don't care... Kofi/Miz blown off on TV... Gabriel/Cesaro filler... Luchadores/PTP no point... And in large part, many of the wrestlers simply weren't over at all. If only they had a 3 hour show to rectify these problems...

Great post, pretty much the same.

Though I marked out for that original ending. Punk retains and you've made a new star in Ryback.
 

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God this was bad; there are a few good matches, but the rest, let's analyze:

ADR/Orton was surprisingly watcheable; completely wrong finish if you want to give ADR a shot at seriously improving his bland performance both on the mic and inside the ring. 6/10

Intercontinental Championship: really good match; The Miz and Kofi put on a great match that actually made Kofi look interesting, unlike Alberto Bore Rio still being boring. 8/10

Tag Team Championship: setting up a genuine feud between Hell No and the Rhodes Scolars, eh? Entertaining match, but it was to short and they could have come up with a less abrupt ending. 7.4/10.

US championship: Antonio is a great wrestler and Justin Gabriel is getting better. The finish was awesome. 8/10

Another tag match: what the hell is this doing here? Skipped it, no interest in the Mexicans even less in the rookies. Oh, wait, Ryback is a rookie that can't go the distance, so the HiaC match that the HiaC is named after will be short and they need filler. -

WHC: Best match of the evening. Shaemus is one of the best in-ring workers the WWE has, and the veteran Big Show is no slouch either. I expected Dolph to cash in though, and it didn't happen. 9/10

Divas championship: a surprisingly okay match, considering it's the divas. Even Kaitlyn manages to look good. 7/10

Punk vs. Ryback: God damn this was horrible, from the length, to the booking, to the ending, everything about this match apart from Punk's performance was crap. Why is the best wrestler in the world depicted as scared shitless and completely incapable of mounting any offence, against a rookie? This does not make Ryback look strong, it makes both wrestlers look weak. CM Punk is the guy who single handedly revitalized the WWE, he's beaten far better than Ryback, bigger and stronger and better too; why would he suddenly be unable to do anything to Ryback? This makes no sense looking it that way, it makes even less sense considering Punk's and Ryback's positions. Ryback and his story couldn't ask for a better way for his streak to end, by having it ended by the WWE champion, decisively. It would mean Ryback knows he's not yet a big fish and what he actually needs to do to become one, that's interesting story material for a rookie. Being big and angry is not. Being able to easily beat the champion while you're nothing but John Cena's back up plan, completely destroys any credibility. And then there's the ending: Seriously!? Seriously!? Seriously!? On a PPV!? Seriously!? 2/10

Overall; this PPV is 4/10 at best.
 

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Great analysis.

Should be 6.8/10 when counting the ratings per match ^

No offence :smug:
 

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Very nice third post, liked. Though I disagree on your analysis on the main event.

Punk can't be built up super strong in my opinion. I know the IWC hates stereotyping the "look" but you can actually believe someone like Cena beating Rock or Lesnar, but can you honestly believe Punk? He needs to be a heel but he does not need to be booked like a dominant heel, though I would prefer them to tone back this coward stuff as it is so generic, I would rather them take him down the direction of the evil genius. Ryback may be a rookie in terms fo how long he's appeared in WWE, but kayfabe wise he's one of the strongest competitors out there and was heading into this match with a "prestigious" undefeated streak and two RAW's coming out on top against Punk. I agree that the match itself was poor though. Ryback's character is purely a wrestler who kicks anyone's ass because he's "hungry", him admitting he's not good enough to beat Punk really buries Ryback completely.

Furthermore, the ending was surprising, did you call it? I mean I think this is a fantastic way to end it. It completely protects Ryback, it protects Punk's long title reign, iit leaves us asking "Wtf?, it gives us something to actually discuss and it opens up many opportunities.
 

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Except when badass Brad Maddox (referee) did a devastating low blow on Ryback. Someone better fire him.. FAST!
 

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Rain said:
4.5/10. The anti-No Surrender. Atlanta should be banned from ever getting to see a live event again.

Every match was at least good, and I marked out seeing Big Show win the WHC. Yes, you read that right.
Sheamus is like the smarks version of Ric Flair... his reign has been so bad for so long that you keep tuning in just to pray he loses the damn thing, and now Big Show's a smark hero. BIG SHOW. Match of the night as well.

Again, all the matches were good, but they had 6 weeks to build this thing. After that long, you shouldn't feel completely apathetic towards every match except for 2. ADR/Orton don't care... Kofi/Miz blown off on TV... Gabriel/Cesaro filler... Luchadores/PTP no point... And in large part, many of the wrestlers simply weren't over at all. If only they had a 3 hour show to rectify these problems...

Agreed.

Also, you know Show/Sheamus is good when it gets Atlanta to pop huge.

I still can't believe how happy I was when Show won.
 

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Jose Tortilla said:
Great analysis.

Should be 6.8/10 when counting the ratings per match ^

No offence :smug:

The main event, especially the one the whole pay per view is named after, always weighs heavier than the other matches, if on top of it, it ruins the champion and a rookie and thus has negative consequences for the whole product following after, it gains extra weight on top of that.
 

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3DMaster said:
The main event, especially the one the whole pay per view is named after, always weighs heavier than the other matches, if on top of it, it ruins the champion and a rookie and thus has negative consequences for the whole product following after, it gains extra weight on top of that.

A rookie? Is Ryback a rookie to you?
 

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3DMaster said:
The main event, especially the one the whole pay per view is named after, always weighs heavier than the other matches, if on top of it, it ruins the champion and a rookie and thus has negative consequences for the whole product following after, it gains extra weight on top of that.

Give it a chance, this could turn out pretty good. It's not like Extreme Rules, where the idiotic finish completely ruined both characters and the PPV. Many people think both wrestlers turned out looking better, we'll see what happens with the followup.
 

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Crayo said:
Very nice third post, liked. Though I disagree on your analysis on the main event.

Punk can't be built up super strong in my opinion. I know the IWC hates stereotyping the "look" but you can actually believe someone like Cena beating Rock or Lesnar, but can you honestly believe Punk?

Yes, easily. Because he's BETTER than them. He doesn't have to be the strongest, or the tallest, BETTER is all he needs to be. Better at making the impacts he brings count, greater number of submission moves he can slap from every position, greater number of different punches and kicks that he can always make connect.

He needs to be a heel but he does not need to be booked like a dominant heel, though I would prefer them to tone back this coward stuff as it is so generic, I would rather them take him down the direction of the evil genius.

Every heel is a coward in the WWE and it is one of the worst tropes in history, it's so bad it's gimmick destroying; it destroyed Punk's gimmick as the "best in the world", what person that considers himself the "best in the world" will be an utter coward, gets beaten like shit, mostly because he's too scared to put up a correct fight, and has to bribe an official?

It destroyed Shaemus Celtic Warrior gimmick back when he was still a heel. A Celtic warrior that loves to fight may retreat when he's outnumbered; but he wouldn't be running away scared shitless like a coward: gimmick destroyed.

Hell, remember the Russian's gimmick when he first arrived? Undefeated streak, and, "I want competition", so what happened when he got competition? He ran off. Gimmick destroyed.

And on, and on. It needs to end; it's one of the biggest failures in the product of the WWE. Heels need variety, they can't all be cowards.

Ryback may be a rookie in terms fo how long he's appeared in WWE, but kayfabe wise he's one of the strongest competitors out there and was heading into this match with a "prestigious" undefeated streak and two RAW's coming out on top against Punk. I agree that the match itself was poor though.

So what? I'm sorry, but he can be strong all he likes, he's facing the best in the world. Not in the strongest, not the most powerful, THE BEST. And all we've seen from Ryback is a couple of power moves, that he often can't even pull off right. You can't say something is happening that defies what you see in the ring, and then treat what you say is happening as "reality" and expect people to swallow it hole. Ryback is an unpolished, barely competent, brute who only has power going for him.

If I can point this out, see weaknesses, holes in his defence, rather he has none; why can't the best in the world? The best in the world should be able to spot a 100 times more flaws than a guy in the audience can.

Ryback's character is purely a wrestler who kicks anyone's ass because he's "hungry", him admitting he's not good enough to beat Punk really buries Ryback completely.

Are you kidding me? That won't bury him, that'll catapult him into the next phase and gives him a story line. "Feed me more, for only experience and more matches allows me climb the mountain to the WWE championship."

You cannot ask for a better publicity than having the WWE champion end your undefeated streak. I can tell you already who will legitimately beat Ryback for the first time: some low-card guy, maybe Santino Marella, or hell, a diva. Undefeated streaks mean very little unless undefeated can actually remain standing; it's who you lose it against that matters whether or not your undefeated streak was worthwhile..

Furthermore, the ending was surprising, did you call it? I mean I think this is a fantastic way to end it. It completely protects Ryback, it protects Punk's long title reign, iit leaves us asking "Wtf?, it gives us something to actually discuss and it opens up many opportunities.

Yes, I called it, maybe not the details, but the ending was bloody predictable, and it's partially because the WWE refuses to use non-coward heels.

And no, it didn't protect Ryback, it destroyed him. See above about who will end his undefeated streak.

More importantly Punk's title reign isn't half as important as his whole character, that is his gimmick; you know "best in the world"? Who is going to believe Punk believes he's the best in the world when he ran like a complete coward the whole time and believed on beforehand he couldn't beat Ryback so he bribed the official beforehand? Which means that every time he says "best in the world" or similar will from now on be completely hollow to the audience.

So it destroyed both of them.
 
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To be fair no one has really bought CM Punk as best in the world for a long long time.
 

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I didn't give it a chance but nothing I saw was interesting or entertaining. Main event was boring as fuck. No Ziggler. No build for any of the mid card stuff besides the tag team championship match being built to through a tourney.

Just yawns galore. 2/10 I guess
 

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HELL IN THE CELL was cart but Ryback got cheated out of a victory :woo::woo::woo::damn::damn:[/b]:finger::yes::yes::yes::yes: