Random, Useless, Harmless, Thoughts

[He who knows more than Nation]

Providing health care for those who can't afford it is essential. Your life expectancy shouldn't be relative to the size of your wallet.

Now while I understand that the universal health care plan you have right now isn't ideal I don't believe that you as a country have other options.

Also, it is patently not socialism. It is social democracy, there is a huge difference. We have many tax payer funded social programs here in Canada but we are most certainly not a socialist nation.

You're making out a gray area issue as plain black and white when it is not. Throw away the ideology for two seconds and look objectively at what is being done.

I can see what your saying, and looking at it objectively, how can they force us to have medical insurance? One thing to provide it at an extraordinary cost, but to force it upon us? Where's the democracy in the government forcing something upon you?

And of course Canada isn't socialist. But how would you feel if your government had majority rule in the once former free enterprises of banking, mortgage companies and the auto industry? It feels very socialist, especially with the American government pouring billions and billions of our dollars into failing mortgage and banking companies that haven't come within sniffing distance of turning a profit, let alone repaying the tax payers. And it hurts to know that money has been taken out of programs such as Social Security to aid the government in it's over spending. So how is helping some at the cost of others really help?

 

[Kizza]

Keep posting, doggy makes me happy.

 

[He who knows more than Nation]

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[He who knows more than Nation]

and another one

 

[He who knows more than Nation]

jews

 

[He who knows more than Nation]

jigabo...errr...colored folk

 

[He who knows more than Nation]

chinamen

 

[He who knows more than Nation]

*cheap shot @LKP's expense*

 

[monkeystyle]

I can see what your saying, and looking at it objectively, how can they force us to have medical insurance? One thing to provide it at an extraordinary cost, but to force it upon us? Where's the democracy in the government forcing something upon you?

I would say that the democracy came into play when he was elected into office in the first place. Hasn't he said from the very beginning that a socialized health care plan was part of his goals?

This is democracy though. It doesn't matter how many people you have screaming about how such and such is a bad idea if you aren't 50.1% of the population there isn't much you can do about it. Sometimes fair play sucks.

And of course Canada isn't socialist. But how would you feel if your government had majority rule in the once former free enterprises of banking, mortgage companies and the auto industry?

I wouldn't like it very much to be quite honest with you and even though we have free health care here it could definitely still use a lot of tinkering. It is not a perfect system but I'd rather have that though and pay extra taxes than be at the mercy of soulless pharmaceutical companies when I do fall ill.

It feels very socialist, especially with the American government pouring billions and billions of our dollars into failing mortgage and banking companies that haven't come within sniffing distance of turning a profit, let alone repaying the tax payers.

I'm not as familiar on this as I would like to be but isn't there a huge difference between bailing out the banks and bailing out the auto industry? Capitalism says that if they didn't bail out the auto industry then other more competent business will assume their places but banks don't act like that. Wouldn't it be far more devastating to the economy to have a large number of banking institutions collapse? Not to mention that it has barely been two years since they were bailed out, it would make sense to me that they wouldn't recoup years of mistakes in such a short period of time.

Like I said, I'm not very well versed on the subject so I could very well just be talking out of my ass, that's just my perception of things.

And it hurts to know that money has been taken out of programs such as Social Security to aid the government in it's over spending. So how is helping some at the cost of others really help?

It's got to come from somewhere, God forbid they take a few billion out of the defense budget instead.

 

[Italian Outsider]

lol at tastycrats vs fingerlicans debates.

 

[Italian Outsider]

Also, it is patently not socialism. It is social democracy, there is a huge difference. We have many tax payer funded social programs here in Canada but we are most certainly not a socialist nation.

Social democracy has huge limits, you don't see it now because the only immigration you get is from civilized countries like the Netherlands.
US gets Mexicans and Africans, Nothern Europe countries get Africans and Arabians.
Result? They start sucking everything from welfare, with poor economic paybacks, high crime rates, ghettos, race cards to get undeserved jobs, occasional riots that end up looting small cities. And what's social democracy answer? Rise tax again, waste more money, with the exact same shitty effects.

 

[Charismatic Edge]

US gets Mexicans and Africans, Nothern Europe countries get Africans and Arabians.
Result? They start sucking everything from welfare, with poor economic paybacks, high crime rates, ghettos, race cards to get undeserved jobs, occasional riots that end up looting small cities. And what's social democracy answer? Rise tax again, waste more money, with the exact same shitty effects.

You may not know just how true that is. I deal with inmates, some of which are in the US illegally. They don't get deported sometimes until AFTER they serve their time. That means they become wards of the state and all of their needs are met, free food, health care, job training, free college education, all for being a damn criminal.

If you're not a citizen, you have no rights or coverage.

 

[Italian Outsider]

we should consider ourselves lucky that in both Italy and US taxation level isn't that high; in Denmark, Norway and so on, taxation is something like 50%, with the same awful results of us.