Punk Promos = Swagger Jacker?

[Danielson]

Aside from Bryan calling himself the best in the world, I don't see a real similarity between their promos. Punk is more condescending when he speaks, it might be a similar gimmick, but it's not similar as far as promos are concerned.

If you want me to provide you all of the "best in the world" stuff from ROH let me know. I don't want to waste my time providing them if you're not truly interested.

 

[Crayo]

Wow, I agree with you again is:

You always agree with me P. Just your football opinion is as credible as JeebaK's so I sometimes have to school you ipebomb:

(dw I'm joking, don't own me ()

 

[Danielson]

Every single heel who thinks they are the best would have cut this promo. I don't think anyone here is a fan of Punk because of his respect promos - although he delivered the washed up predictable content really well imo - but you can find hundreds of promos similar to Punk's. Jericho has done this for years too, did Danielson rip it from Jericho? Should we make a thread calling Danielson a thief? Of course not, all three of them are gifted wrestlers who have used the very popular best in the world gimmick. We just remember them more because of where they had it and how good they were with it.

I doubt Punk sat down and memorized Danielson's promo, because this isn't even a good promo lol. I love Bryan but Punk takes him to the cleaners on the mic.

Okay, good post Crayo. Maybe it seemed as though i'm trying to discredit punk, which i'm not. I just wanted to show some stuff about Danielson from early on in his career. The things Danielson has said are similiar in the past. It's fine though, that's not even a big deal. It's that he gets made out to be original that bugs me. I'm glad you mentioned that no one is a punk fan because of his promos, because if you are, it's sad.

I'll move on to another point, since i'm clearly not going to win the argument on his promos. What do you call it when he steals The Savage elbow drop? How about in ROH when he used Triple H pedrigree and called it the pepsi plunge but did it from the top rope? Some may call it "paying respects" But others may call him a swagger jacker. I don't think either of us are wrong in our opinions. I know their are only so many moves you can do but I think it is an interesting topic to think about.

BTW I agree with you that punk is better on the mic.

 

[Rysenberg]

You always agree with me P. Just your football opinion is as credible as JeebaK's so I sometimes have to school you ipebomb:

(dw I'm joking, don't own me ()

What's wrong with jeebak's football opinions :sad:

And of course I won't bby xx

 

[Crayo]

Okay, good post Crayo. Maybe it seemed as though i'm trying to discredit punk, which i'm not. I just wanted to show some stuff about Danielson from early on in his career. The things Danielson has said are similiar in the past. It's fine though, that's not even a big deal. It's that he gets made out to be original that bugs me. I'm glad you mentioned that no one is a punk fan because of his promos, because if you are, it's sad.

I'll move on to another point since i'm clearly not going to win the argument on his promos. What do you call it when he steals The Savage elbow drop? How about in ROH when he used Triple H pedrigree and called it the pepsi plunge but did it from the top rope? Some may call it "paying respects" But others may call him a swagger jacker. I don't think either of us are wrong in our opinions.

To your first point, I said that no one is a fan of his respect promos, the crappy content he has been dishing out for a few months now. It's crappy because of how repetitive it was, but that was WWE's fault and Punk's gimmick, he couldn't change that. Though I think he did extremely well given the material he was given. I am mainly a fan of Punk BECAUSE of his promos in general, I'm a huge promo guy and Punk I think is the best mic worker on the planet at the moment, so naturally I'm a fan of his. But yeah, no one can call these promos original.

To your second point, I have no issue in the world with him "stealing" other wrestling moves from past wrestlers, it just shows respect. Didn't he first use it when Macho died? 99% of wrestling moves are used by other wrestlers, that makes no difference to me. Hell I wish more wrestlers done it, Punk's Pepsi Plunge was dope imo. If you can put your own spin on it and expand your moveset at the same time, why not? Plenty of wrestlers do it because practically every move is used by another wrestler somewhere.

Dolph is using the super-kick, is that wrong? Did he "swagger-jacker" HBK? I'm a huge fan of his super-kick to be honest. Not attacking you either, it's just different opinions that's all .

 

[Dat Kid1]

If you want me to provide you all of the "best in the world" stuff from ROH let me know. I don't want to waste my time providing them if you're not truly interested.

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[Danielson]

To your first point, I said that no one is a fan of his respect promos, the crappy content he has been dishing out for a few months now. It's crappy because of how repetitive it was, but that was WWE's fault and Punk's gimmick, he couldn't change that. Though I think he did extremely well given the material he was given. I am mainly a fan of Punk BECAUSE of his promos in general, I'm a huge promo guy and Punk I think is the best mic worker on the planet at the moment, so naturally I'm a fan of his. But yeah, no one can call these promos original.

To your second point, I have no issue in the world with him "stealing" other wrestling moves from past wrestlers, it just shows respect. Didn't he first use it when Macho died? 99% of wrestling moves are used by other wrestlers, that makes no difference to me. Hell I wish more wrestlers done it, Punk's Pepsi Plunge was dope imo. If you can put your own spin on it and expand your moveset at the same time, why not? Plenty of wrestlers do it because practically every move is used by another wrestler somewhere.

Dolph is using the super-kick, is that wrong? Did he "swagger-jacker" HBK? I'm a huge fan of his super-kick to be honest. Not attacking you either, it's just different opinions that's all .

I know you're not attacking me. To be honest when Dolph uses the superkick, what's the first thing you think about? HBK. That is swagger jackin' in my book. What they do for them both though, which doesn't make it so bad, Is not make it a move that takes the other person out. Each may use it but didn't do it as well as the originals. Which does pay respect in that essence. The pepsi plunge though was his finisher, and while innovative, seemed like Swagger Jackin' 101 with no respect to Triple H.

 

[Crayo]

I know you're not attacking me. To be honest when Dolph uses the superkick, what's the first thing you think about? HBK. That is swagger jackin' in my book. What they do for them both though, which doesn't make it so bad, Is not make it a move that takes the other person out. Each may use it but didn't do it as well as the originals. Which does pay respect in that essence. The pepsi plunge though was his finisher, and while innovative, seemed like Swagger Jackin' 101 with no respect to Triple H.

The superkick does put people down for three, it just didn't against Super Cena. It genuinely is his finishing move. By your logic, no one ever again can use the super-kick as a finisher because HBK used it?

 

[Danielson]

Link me

On it boss. May be 15-30 min.

 

[Dolph'sZiggler]

Punk promos = insomnia cure

 

[Danielson]

The superkick does put people down for three, it just didn't against Super Cena. It genuinely is his finishing move. By your logic, no one ever again can use the super-kick as a finisher because HBK used it?

That is one hell of an iconic move. Ziggler has a combination of moves though which one is coincidently a move Billy Gunn used in the AA era as well. The Zig Zag however, seems to me, to be the move he takes people out with the most.

Yes, that really is my logic though. As a straight one finish finsher or whatever, I don't think anyone else should or could touch it. They can use it but as long as it's booked as no one executed it as well as HBK.

 

[Crayo]

Yes, that really is my logic though. As a straight one finish finsher or whatever, I don't think anyone else should or could touch it. They can use it but as long as it's booked as no one executed it as well as HBK.

They don't market to previous fans, most kids won't even know who used it before Dolph. You can't just ban finishers because of predecessors who executed it better - in your opinion - else we would have no wrestling moves left, lol. Professional wrestling is about recycling, rinse and repeat but change things slightly.

 

[Senhor Perfect]

I can guarantee you this, no one else will ever use the running leg drop as a finisher brother :hogan:

 

[Crayo]

I can guarantee you this, no one else will ever use the running leg drop as a finisher brother :hogan:

Well that's a different argument all together, who want want to? Lmao.

 

[Dolph'sZiggler]

Well that's a different argument all together, who want want to? Lmao.

If I were a wrestler I would demand my finisher be the running leg drop.