Payback 2013 Live Discussion - November 29, 2020

[Chris]

I can't picture him as a face

 

[Chris]

But as a top chickenshit heel yeah

 

[Chris]

In this time at least

 

[Hoss]

But to me, I just never felt that strongly about him either way, so that's probably why. I kinda feel like he's the lowest level of pure star quality that I would accept being the top guy on a brand.

 

[Ricky Smarks]

Oh yeah, as a heel. Like I said, this double turn makes no sense for either guy.

 

[Hoss]

Even Sheamus, who I love, is realllllly pushing it, if that's your ace so to speak.

 

[Ricky Smarks]

I'd definitely have argued Ziggler in 2013 has more star power potential than Sheamus.

 

[Hoss]

I wouldn't disagree necessarily, I just prefer Sheamus if I had to choose lol

 

[Chris]

I do think this double turn was done really well just as far as booking goes in general. I just fucking hate that it was done

 

[Ricky Smarks]

Del Rio is more over here, though, so I get the title switch, but why turn him heel and ruin the pops in the process. I should find if Bruce speaks on this. Even though he'll lie about it.

 

[Hoss]

Physically he's a good bit more believable in that role, is the main reason I'd fabor6

 

[Ricky Smarks]

The turn is done well, for sure. It just doesn't make sense. Ziggler is on the rise as a heel and Del Rio is massively over as a baby.

 

[Chris]

Ziggler's title run had literally just started too, why do the turn and have him lose the belt and never fucking get it back lol where's the payoff

 

[Chris]

They probably did it bc of Ziggler's cheers tbf he was getting them in all his PPV matches no matter how good his heel work was

 

[Hoss]

I would imagine so