Not Looking Good For TNA Right Now

[He who knows more than Nation]

Not to mention he was selling 100K PPVs more times than not and I think he did 300k at their best. That's freakin awesome for someone who only had less than 10% of the possible american viewership.

 

[MizMasta3000]

I asked this question before and don't recall getting an answer, so I'll do this again.

People talk crap about TNA for bringing in guys that were in WcW and give them power (Hogan/Bischoff for example) because the company they had folded and TNA are dumb for giving them power. But Heyman was the owner of ECW and that went under too. I don't even remember ECW or knew what it was til the Invasion angle. So I'm guessing it was a small company or one that just didn't get viewers. So why is it so great to bring in Heyman, when he's in the same position as those that were in WcW?

One because Heyman won't be getting in the ring.

Two because Heyman's financial troubles have zero to do with what his role would be in TNA.

 

[Double J]

I asked this question before and don't recall getting an answer, so I'll do this again.

People talk crap about TNA for bringing in guys that were in WcW and give them power (Hogan/Bischoff for example) because the company they had folded and TNA are dumb for giving them power. But Heyman was the owner of ECW and that went under too. I don't even remember ECW or knew what it was til the Invasion angle. So I'm guessing it was a small company or one that just didn't get viewers. So why is it so great to bring in Heyman, when he's in the same position as those that were in WcW?

ECW was pretty much just a local wrestling orginzation in New York that was able to get noticed enough to get fans all around the US. They wrestled in a bingo hall and most of the wrestlers didn't get paid half of the time all of them did more than wrestle they also sold merch, tickets, customer service, advertisment, whatever needed to be done. They really had no money backing them up and to be honest very little talent, but Heyman knew what storylines to do that had yet to be seen and how to push wrestlers. He just never had the resources and WWF/WCW taking his wrestlers and storylines he just eventually had to fold.

Bischoff had WCW that already had made a name for itself by the time he took over and it also had a ton of wrestlers that already had big followings from their times in WWF and other organizations. They had the backing, they had the wrestlering style in Lucha Libre that hadn't been widely seen in the US (except for originally in ECW which Heyman had brought in before anyone else(You can thank him for Rey Mysterio)). WCW had everything they needed to continue to push WWF/E to their limit but Bischoff and Hogan and the other veterans got their heads too big and wouldn't drop titles or push the younger guys. The main good idea they had in the nWo they pushed father than they should have and it blew up in their faces. The young talent they had but didn't push went to WWF and were pushed which drew their fans to WWF plus new fans who watched these new guys in the main event (Jericho, Beniot, Eddie,ect).

This is why when Bisch and Hogan came to TNA everyone was/is expecting a repeat of WCW. Heyman's way of getting ratings is "Let's push these new/young guys and get some interesting storylines going.....Hey this would be a dream match, let's build it up to a major PPV"

Hogan/Bisch's way of getting ratings is "Put Hogan involved in the main event and put bischoff in every segment in some way, shape, or form, and let's bring in this guys that already have some fans and people have seen for years and just fuck all the the guys that were already here. Oh and hey we need a match for tomorrow night, ya know this would be a dream match let's put it on tomorrow and we'll just announce it at the very first of the show to get people to watch."

So yeah both ECW and WCW went out of business, but for different reasons.

Sorry, I just prefer 80s-early 2k wrestling over the stuff we have now so I tend to live in the past

 

[Kizza]

I asked this question before and don't recall getting an answer, so I'll do this again.

People talk crap about TNA for bringing in guys that were in WcW and give them power (Hogan/Bischoff for example) because the company they had folded and TNA are dumb for giving them power. But Heyman was the owner of ECW and that went under too. I don't even remember ECW or knew what it was til the Invasion angle. So I'm guessing it was a small company or one that just didn't get viewers. So why is it so great to bring in Heyman, when he's in the same position as those that were in WcW?

Because he was able to get the most risqué promotion around in America at the time and make it the third biggest promotion around. Paul Heyman is the reason guys like Tommy Dreamer, Raven, Stevie Richards, etc etc are still relevant today. I haven't seen loads of ECW, but when you see what he was able to do in a short amount of time (6 years?) with very little in terms of resources (producing shows from a basement) and little money to pay for his guys, the amount of success the guy had was amazing, him becoming bankrupt in the end is almost irrelevant.

 

[...god...]

God, give the company to Heyman and fuck off. Pretty sure even the majority of the TNA fans would want this, in regards to dumb bitch's 'give the fans what they want' policy.

 

[Airfixx]

Dixie has no idea how the run a company.

Watching a shoot with Jerry Jarret a while ago he stated that at the time she came into the picture to run the company, to her own admission, she had never even watched a wrestling match. If that's true, then that's disgraceful, not to mention arrogant and massively deluded.

Jerry also stated that he and Jeff have un-reconcilable differences/heat resulting from his walking away from TNA whilst Jeff stayed... He has a subdued, yet clearly scathing opinion of Jeff now... Did Jeff somehow sell him out to become the face of TNA? Anyone know any more about this this situ or able post me a link to sumtin'?


[Appologies to admin if it's deemed I should have made a thread about the elsewhere....]

 

[RC Styles]

Dixie has no idea how the run a company.

^^this

 

[JurassicBonez]

Because Heyman is a booking genius. He didn't have the fat chequebook, nor did he have the most talented roster, but he knew how to get the best out of them. Then when he booked SmackDown! he knew how to get the best out of them too (the SmackDown! Six). He just has a great wrestling mind, and rather than being like the titanic hitting an iceberg (WCW), Heyman was the guy on the dinky little barge who somehow managed to survive for years.

Not to mention he was selling 100K PPVs more times than not and I think he did 300k at their best. That's freakin awesome for someone who only had less than 10% of the possible american viewership.

ECW was pretty much just a local wrestling orginzation in New York that was able to get noticed enough to get fans all around the US. They wrestled in a bingo hall and most of the wrestlers didn't get paid half of the time all of them did more than wrestle they also sold merch, tickets, customer service, advertisment, whatever needed to be done. They really had no money backing them up and to be honest very little talent, but Heyman knew what storylines to do that had yet to be seen and how to push wrestlers. He just never had the resources and WWF/WCW taking his wrestlers and storylines he just eventually had to fold.

Bischoff had WCW that already had made a name for itself by the time he took over and it also had a ton of wrestlers that already had big followings from their times in WWF and other organizations. They had the backing, they had the wrestlering style in Lucha Libre that hadn't been widely seen in the US (except for originally in ECW which Heyman had brought in before anyone else(You can thank him for Rey Mysterio)). WCW had everything they needed to continue to push WWF/E to their limit but Bischoff and Hogan and the other veterans got their heads too big and wouldn't drop titles or push the younger guys. The main good idea they had in the nWo they pushed father than they should have and it blew up in their faces. The young talent they had but didn't push went to WWF and were pushed which drew their fans to WWF plus new fans who watched these new guys in the main event (Jericho, Beniot, Eddie,ect).

This is why when Bisch and Hogan came to TNA everyone was/is expecting a repeat of WCW. Heyman's way of getting ratings is "Let's push these new/young guys and get some interesting storylines going.....Hey this would be a dream match, let's build it up to a major PPV"

Hogan/Bisch's way of getting ratings is "Put Hogan involved in the main event and put bischoff in every segment in some way, shape, or form, and let's bring in this guys that already have some fans and people have seen for years and just fuck all the the guys that were already here. Oh and hey we need a match for tomorrow night, ya know this would be a dream match let's put it on tomorrow and we'll just announce it at the very first of the show to get people to watch."

So yeah both ECW and WCW went out of business, but for different reasons.

Sorry, I just prefer 80s-early 2k wrestling over the stuff we have now so I tend to live in the past

Because he was able to get the most risqué promotion around in America at the time and make it the third biggest promotion around. Paul Heyman is the reason guys like Tommy Dreamer, Raven, Stevie Richards, etc etc are still relevant today. I haven't seen loads of ECW, but when you see what he was able to do in a short amount of time (6 years?) with very little in terms of resources (producing shows from a basement) and little money to pay for his guys, the amount of success the guy had was amazing, him becoming bankrupt in the end is almost irrelevant.

Alright thanks. I didn't watch ECW and wasn't apart of the IWC til 08 I think, so I knew nothing about that stuff.

 

[Luke Flywalker]

Heyman got robbed blind from all directions once he finally got noticed. His talent sold out with the booking plans and shit. If he'd have had the money and loyalty that the big companies had, ECW wouldn't have sold, he'd have probably been the one to purchase WCW from Turner.

 

[He who knows more than Nation]

I honestly believe had Heyman and ECW gone under, he'd have taken in all the talent that started hitting the indies in 2001 after WCW died and the E had no more interest in them outside Jakked and Heat jobbers. He would have brought in Joe, Punk, AJ, Dragon, Low Ki and he would have brought the smark style to the fans. He was kind of doing that if you look at the roster towards the end, he had lots of X style wrestlers in mid card like Kid Cash, Tajiri, Super Crazy, Julio Dinerio, A young Joey Mercury and Jerry Lynn and RVD were tearing it down while latter day ECW didn't have as much hardcore as it did just years before. Had Heyman kept it going, he would have taken WCW's spot as the number 2 promotion as wrestling was still hot and some network would have looked to fill that void and wrestling would not have gone stagnant with competition and there would be no TNA, or atleast with all the good talent that has been through it, Jarrett probably still would have opened it because he had nowhere to work, there would certainly have been no RoH as Gabe Spalosky was Heyman's right hand man and people wonder where he picked up his ability, and we might still be watching world class wrestling that is entertaining.

 

[Gravity Beetle]

great thread