Norse Mythology Mafia - Game Thread

[Comrade Khan]

I think I've said enough ya?

 

[NotBrutus]

@Lethal Banks

Cometh

 

[Smart Marx]

I think I've said enough ya?

For now.

 

[Smart Marx]

We could be waiting on Lethal for a while, though.

 

[Chloe B]

2. Evans

3. CP - one of two null players I've got actual thoughts around other than wanting to see more, overall it reminds me of a town CP from last game but I've addressed some questions at him that have been ignored. Asking to expand around his actions with Magic etc. He's null for that reason otherwise he'd be a town lean.

4. Alco - I've enjoyed Alco's posts this game, he's not been afraid to go at stronger players like Jeff or Magic with his thoughts.

5. Jeff - Awkward start for Jeff but he's settled down and is looking like normal pro-active town Jeff to me. The Haza mislynch sucks but I don't necessarily think Haza helped himself either.

6. Lethal - Last game I made a point with CP about Lethal and how he tends to approach votes/directions when playing as his town meta and usually not a lot of direction / lack of votes have indicated a scum Lethal before. I wouldn't mind pushing this D2 for more information and to get him into the game.

7. Barry - I'm enjoying reading Barry's posts this game (not that I haven't previously ) but his reads are lining up with mine around Jeff / Doddsy / Gambit.

8. Tweet - feels pretty much like last game Tweet, was quick to shut down the poor idea that Chloe could be scum because he/she/it potentially mispelled a name due to the Nordic alphabet and I didn't hate his points on the Haza wagon either tbh.

9. Smark - Who woulda thought it after that exchange!? I'm starting to understand Smark a lot more over the last day or so. 245 posts and counting, he's grilling anyone who he wants more information from and his posts look like he's actually trying to solve the game. Happy to say sorry for D1 Smark

10. TKOK - I asked him for reads and he just said Flay is town and he didn't like CPs actions around Magic. It just felt like crowd pleasing with the CP / Magic situation & a Flay town read after other players had said Flay acts out as town.

12. OMB - honestly, I think OMB is just town lol. I don't think he makes that play with mentioning Odo etc in such a big way if he didn't think it was great work. I've noticed him getting a bit snippy with players around his wagon as well which is reminiscent of him standing up to Poyser in Star Wars for me.

13. Xenus - He's been somewhat active and pushing directions but I've got a gut feeling about him lmao, he tried to shut me down early by being a bit of an ass ( he said himself he'll try to be less of one) which is exactly what he's done to me previously. I think he's probably town but I can't put my finger on it, something just feels off to me lol so I'll leave him as null for now.

15. Gambit - early on he was actually reading back into old games and he's been pushing directions maybe not as strongly as others but the effort level is still there and his thoughts have been consistent and have had pretty good conviction behind them.

16. Doddsy - think this is my first game with Doddsy? It is at least since my return a couple of months ago. Seems to be happy to take time reading and trying to understand every side of interactions and as mentioned, he's tracking along on other reads lists from players I'm thinking are town.

17. Chloe - hasn't done a lot in the game IMO, apparently this may be her/his/it's town meta but the buddying up with Magic talking about how shit we are as town and "i doubt they even go for anyone on the wagon" just doesn't sit right with me as why not help lead town if you're so good?

20. Magic - the anger / arrogant posting mirrors his indy game in WS Reloaded for me. I just can't see why he'd link himself to Haza so early as scum lol, even Haza was questioning why. I'd like more info.

Oh to clarify:

Confident they're town
Town lean / probably town
Suspicious, would like to find out more




reason for edit: fixed formatting on an emoji

Looks like we're starting off with you. For some reason you completely exclude PHENOM from this. At least you're sus of Xenus.

Scared coward Poyser, ducking the heat. (All seriousness, hope he’s good.)

Vote: Magic

Hmm, is he actually trying here or is he just doing this so we look more favourably at Magic v2 later?

I agree CP saying he's sus of Magic only to then shoot him is a weird move, it's pretty WIFOMy tho, I don't even wanna go down that rabbit hole. I got no complaints with him outside that either so I don't see myself looking that direction anytime soon

vote Lethal

Tweet on Barry early. I approve of this.

Ye, my prev post with the multi-quote from CP on it. He told me he had answered where I asked why he joined the Haza wagon after he said a no lynch is best but he didn't address it with Smark from what I've read.



Jeff, Tweet, Barry, Gambit, Big Man, Xenus, Phenom, OMB, CP, Ace, EV

I've addressed why I'm town reading these in my reads list here:

I agree with the N0M read tbh, so...

Official Vote: N0M

I've explained my reasoning for why I think N0M could be scum last dayphase. Much of his reasoning feels lazy and without bothering to look for any context so as to absolve himself of any real culpability to his nudges. Dunno bout you guys, but I like this direction for now.

Okay fair play here, perhaps this is why you missed him earlier

Not feeling Lethal atm

Would prefer

Vote Jeff

Because he was on the wagon and as I said I feel like he's been going for low hanging fruit all game, wouldn't mind some further info

Okay, explain the low hanging fruit.

I may be wrong but I think Nom was voting Magic on day 1 too? Felt to me like he was responding to Magic's attempt to assert himself as town leader both times rather than Magic's potential alignment.

Not sure if that makes Phenom more or less suss but worth pointing out.

Hmm, you're getting there.

I’m not voting Lethal. There is nothing there and the fact that he enters the thread writing in italics automatically bringing attention to himself, I don’t see. I don’t know a huge amount about his meta but I barely noticed him in the Tiger King game until he counter claimed me as a bloody Skitzo.

Vote Tweet

I want to see this out.

You wanna see this out? For all the analysis you do, the best you could do for a new day phase was to 'see this out'. FRAUD

From my side OMB is a decent lynch target we can fall back on and be guaranteed some useful information if there is nothing more interesting that comes up.

But I'm not gonna insta-push OMB now as there is nothing new we're gonna get from him.

For me at least, OMB was always a "better than no-lynch" lynch rather than a massive scumread.

Good post Have a town read.

This was a decent piece of clarity from Ace, not sure why that = town read

2nd time you've said this with no evidence to back it up, I'm going to ask for an explanation now, as I don't feel this is even accurate

This was aimed at Doddsy, I feel like he's going in a decent direction here because Doddsy has been absolute pony

Well to be as pal as possible that's none of your business as it's personal and we ain't that close. Pals though.

Also I've been SWAMPED at work as they're doing personal reviews and shit, so we've had to up quotas and logs so I'm just drained. Add onto that what I've already stated that I'm just completely over having that bite and pushing an agenda that isn't followed or recognised. Hell, I had a hunch on Magic and it was wrong. Confidence is low.

I'll ask you this - do you think I'm that dense that I'd pull the same tact two games running? In Star Wars I was using my lore knowledge to feign activity. So far we've had to shift through your diatribe with Smark, the Chloe ramblings, OMBs census shot and not much else from my end.

Not motivated enough to do it tonight

Seems like a lot of copping out here.

Odin, Asgard Aligned, Steward of Valhalla. I am the King of Asgard and the Allfather of the Norse Pantheon. As such, I oversee Valhalla. During the events of Ragnarök, I was fated to face Fenrir and be devoured.

Basically I am a passive role but if I am killed, Valhalla is destroyed. If I am augmented, I gain an additional perk that will be revealed upon augmentation.

Told you it was huge.

Welp. That kind of sounds legit

unvote

I need to re-evaluate. It sounds like a sort of developer/beloved princess hybrid?

Seems to quick to believe here. Why would Valhalla refer to a beloved princess type role?

I'd say that's way too specific of a role to fake. Only thing I could see is it being a fake for some weird valhalla/hel related role, but I'm not really willing to put stock in that atm

I thought this was too quickly dismissed. Jeff looking better. Xenus looking worse.

This might be a reason I guess?

Why is Big Man a town read of yours?

lmao I just read the part where Haza confused Pantheon with Panther

Typo? "IS HE MESSING UP HIS CLAIM GUIZ?"

He called Big Man a "non-solid town read" but then voted Haza based on following his "town read" Big Man



vote CP

I can get behind this since no one has even commented on my excellent Tweet vote because you’re all <redacted due to pals era>. I will pull us back to Tweet if the CP wagon doesn’t produce though.

VOTE CP

Yeah this looks like a co-ordinated attack on CP. The votes themselves may not be something. To do it in quick succession...

I really have no idea about Xenus' scum game. But he's not setting off any alarm bells with me for the moment.

You haven't looked at him at all? He's just faultless?

For what it's worth, I don't think he did the "sheeeit" thing last game either.

Also good-guying is a scumboi giving off easy town reads to people who are easily mislynched, hoping to look town off it when they ultimately flip. (at least that's how I'm interpreting it)

Referring to Lethal here. Shouldn't be so quick to put him aside.

My evidence is just the people that you had been pushing. Weren't really breaking the safety nets with who you were putting your vote on which moved around quite a bit. Not saying you're necessarily scum for it just want more info on it, although pushing CP might make it a moot point.

I won't put a vote on CP because he already has enough and is in EXECUTE territory

Also Xenus is town purely cause hes my boy

I, as one that didn't know those posts weren't factual, am interested in the response to this question

Execute is the scum role where they can just outright kill someone who has half majority once in the game

More trash from Doddsy. Not really playing the game. Just that whoever he was referring to wasn't bold enough with the people he was pushing. Like what? Since when is that a thing?

Doesn’t make any goddamn sense and took him like seven minutes to realize he made the wrong mistake like if I voted for the wrong fucking guy will take me seconds to realize that shit not minutes


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Too caught up in something that could be easily explained.

this is a good defense. I should've probably paid attention myself


My issue here is that you are apparently devaluing your town read first ("not a strong townread by any means" or something of the sort), while later you use it to link your vote to, as if Big Man was indeed a strong(er) townread. Doesn't seem very consistent.

But anyway, I think how you reacted to the points presented to you is pretty solid and i'm satisfied.

unvote

Time to re-calibrate.

Fair play here

Alco can have a town lean. Genuine back track there, whilst still making his point.

Xenus giving out town leans like candy lmao

I was tying Xenus and Lethal together cause it seemed to me during d1 that Xenus didnt seem to want us talking about Lethal too much, but then the issue was why would scum Xenus protect scum Lethal that way? If it's scum Xenus goodguying a town Lethal that suddenly makes a lot more sense.

Agree with this, have a town lean

Yea that's not very great imo. He still feels slightly off compared to last game although it did seem quite reasonable how he came to the Haza scum conclusion (even though he was wrong).

I'm so fucking confused by all of that

I'd leave it

I wonder when you'll start to play instead of post pad

More votes on N0M please.

@PHEN0M why is your only scum read right now a guy who has 4 posts? What about them was so scummy that you are targeting Magic? Also town reads please on others

Can people present the case on Jeff? I still want Phenom to give me his list of reads. I may have missed it but the Poyser/Magic V2 is the only ones I remember and the carrying that on with little else I feel isn't good enough as he is a decent player.

Grim and Gambit can stay. They get credit that keeps them alive for a while imo.

what about the claim/role is town, though? Like from my p.o.v it protects Valhalla (which makes sense with odin, no doubt), but it also falls into the "hey this role is advantageous to everyone, don't ever kill me" territory. Like neither scum nor town will want to lynch that role, which make it a little convenient...

And the way he voted for smark after I mentioned he wasnt around just feels...well opportunistic. as i said, his other posts were focused on CP. some odd stuff...

Agree with this, have a town lean

No I don’t have scum reads yet. And I’m reading back so I’ve missed Evans likely.

I feel he seems more involved in the thread and EFFORT FC. Rarely recall him leading in the early stages as scum iirc

This may be a decent piece of play but there's no way to corroborate it. How would you feel if someone to push you for what you've offered to the game so far?

I said I’d look at this so I am, although feels a bit redundant after the few hours’ breathing room. I think it could be a mistake but could also be misdirection - especially with the confusion around EV’s questioning it rather than Jeff and it could easily be that Jeff made the mistake too (although I think he actually liked your reads post, or reacted to it). You saw how quickly the wagon took off based off that because no one actually bothered to check (including me, which I’m at fault for). Jeff remains on my “would push” list but to be honest it’s not enough for me to me be seeing the same thing you are. If anything, it makes me question Lethal for making that post, rather than Jeff for liking it, but the claim is pretty solid.

Overstating the claim's veracity tbh, it's not bulletproof

Okay okay. We need to get some form of consensus going here.

I personally, would still very much like to look at Jeff for the reasons I said earlier, which was somewhat alleviated by him voting CP but then kind of reinforced by CP's defence and from what I can tell Jeff never really gave a solid response to why he was pushing this case while knowing it wasn't true (I know he gave a repsonse, it was just kind of crap and didn't really address the point well).

I would also not really mind voting Tweet, as Xenus made good points about him never giving a reason and he has faded this day as well.

Not really interested in CP as I think he's town at the mo.

Phenom I also doubt is scum, purely based on that weird little give up earlier as I don't think that's SCUMNOM



So I mean yeah start following me on one of these

Nice of you to finally show up towards the end of day when there was shit all chance of anything happening. And people got on me for timing.

 

[NotBrutus]

This isn’t an ideal time for anybody besides us North Americans tbh. We’ll be waiting awhile for anybody else.

 

[Smart Marx]

Not particularly sure how that passive role can be proven or disprove without him dying, but we'll give the kid a chance to speak his peace.

 

[Chloe B]

Acknowledges CPs question around why he's town reading Tweet.



There's the vote.



Rugrat queries it






Disagrees and doubles down



Oh, you were present as well.



Furthers his point. If he's sheeping, I doubt Alco disagrees with Xenus and then pushes the same direction at Lethal himself lol.



Then we get to the claim.

Okay I might have glossed over it, however it doesn't look like a particularly strong push no?

He does look better after finishing tbf

 

[Comrade Khan]

I would rather not rush lynch unless time is short. We should have pressure on Lethal, but unless he no shows, DO NOT LYNCH HIM before he at least has a chance to say...something.

 

[Smart Marx]

This isn’t an ideal time for anybody besides us North Americans tbh. We’ll be waiting awhile for anybody else.

Yes and no. There were certain somebodies that were when day started that have since gone mum's the word.

 

[Comrade Khan]

Yes and no. There were certain somebodies that were when day started that have since gone mum's the word.

name names, please. you have limited time with me being semi motivated atm

 

[Big Man]

Gambit thinks that N0m has info and is hinting his role, what do you think about this? I can see where you're coming from that targeting Magicv2/Poyser instead of other stuff going on in the thread looks if he isn't. I haven't seen anything that suggests a hint. @Gambitto where do you think he's suggesting his role? Do you think it's the hypothetical post? I'm not very good at reading Phen0m at all, so I'm not sure if this is his town meta or not? Does he push big players early as scum?



Big Man, what are your thoughts on the above ^ and what's your reasoning for town reading Phen0m and Brutus?

well I already see that my read on PHEN0M was incorrect, but the reasoning was the way he went about his push on Poyser/Magic. he put his vote down and then kept coming back to mention it, it seemed like frustration that his direction wasn't being followed. I felt as scum he would just leave it after the initial vote because mentioning it over and over causes more people to look at the reasoning for your read which you don't really want if you're scum and it's a fake read. as for Brutus, he plays pretty cowardly as scum, one game last year he just kept posting in the QT and not in the thread at all because he was too scared. he seems very comfortable in the thread and is asking people good questions and pushing people himself rather than just sheeping.

 

[Chloe B]

okay so after reviewing I'd say

Town - Grim, Gambit, Tweet, Jeff
Scum - Doddsy, Xenus, weaker scum lean - Lethal, Alco

 

[Smart Marx]

Too caught up in something that could be easily explained.

The larger issue was never even about this.

 

[Comrade Khan]

Brutus is trolling, paying attention to the thread, and apparently faking info on me and admitting to it? .the chance of him being scum are about 0.000000001%