No More Happy Endings - Once Upon a Time Mafia Game Thread

[Leon TrotSky]

I think you’re going out of your way to paint me out as scum with half-baked and nonsensical reasoning.

Do you think I am scum? Yes or no

 

[Mandalorian]

Do you think I am scum? Yes or no

I do now.

Not for suggesting me as an option. I’m fine with that part, that’s not why. This isn’t OMGUS.

You’ve taken issue with me defending myself, which I have every right to do. Your reasoning to include me specifically does not make sense and assumes me (and the rest of my hypothetical team) to be idiots who can’t divide 8 by 2.

There seems to be a complete failure on your part to acknowledge that almost everything you are saying also applies to you, and in fact it makes more sense for mafia to lock in the execution as soon as the fourth vote (the one that brings us to half majority) was locked in before anyone could have unvoted should Shade have claimed. My vote was ultimately inconsequential.

 

[Leon TrotSky]

I do now.

Not for suggesting me as an option. I’m fine with that part, that’s not why. This isn’t OMGUS.

You’ve taken issue with me defending myself, which I have every right to do. Your reasoning to include me specifically does not make sense and assumes me (and the rest of my hypothetical team) to be idiots who can’t divide 8 by 2.

There seems to be a complete failure on your part to acknowledge that almost everything you are saying also applies to you, and in fact it makes more sense for mafia to lock in the execution as soon as the fourth vote (the one that brings us to half majority) was locked in before anyone could have unvoted should Shade have claimed. My vote was ultimately inconsequential.

And I've taken issue because your entire tone was to (1) dismiss my reasoning out of hand, (2) claim that ACKSYUALLY, thanks to the exact way something is worded, that reason makes me potential scum, and (3) make out like I'm some sort of moron.

If me taking issue is the only reason you read me scum, then drop it and follow actual reads that you have for actual gameplay reasons.

 

[Mandalorian]

And I've taken issue because your entire tone was to (1) dismiss my reasoning out of hand, (2) claim that ACKSYUALLY, thanks to the exact way something is worded, that reason makes me potential scum, and (3) make out like I'm some sort of moron.

If me taking issue is the only reason you read me scum, then drop it and follow actual reads that you have for actual gameplay reasons.

Sorry, didn’t you just make me out to be a moron? You literally created a scenario where I didn’t know what half of 8 was in order to try to make your point.

I wasn’t dismissing your reasoning at all. That is simply a lie. I addressed everything you said and gave my reasons why I disagreed. I don’t have to agree with you if I think you’re wrong?

You’ve arbitrarily said I executed after I voted. You or anyone else could have executed after YOUR vote. That’s the time period we’re working with. Your vote brought it up to four and that’s the point from when it could have been done.

I’ve said myself multiple times that I’m fine having suspicion on me. I voted for Shade. I asked for a vote count. I explained why I think it wouldn’t make sense for me to publicly ask for one if I was able to ask Smark to do it privately through the mafia chat. Why it wouldn’t have made sense for me to vote AT ALL as the requirement was met with your vote.

Your argument on me specifically doing it after I voted hinges on me and the rest of my hypothetical team not knowing that we’d got it after your vote. You honestly believe that however many mafia there are wouldn’t have been able to count votes and do a simple maths problem? Because based on the reasons you’ve given why I’m one of the main suspects for this, you do.

 

[Mandalorian]

And because I don’t think you’re a moron or an idiot who would genuinely believe that, I think you’re mafia and trying to twist a narrative that I’ve been able to poke a load of holes in.

 

[Mandalorian]

Also the maths Sky tried to use to make out that the fifth vote would have been the trigger doesn’t even check out.

There was 14 of us, so 8 is the majority. We know half of 8 is 4. If you halved the number of total players that’s 7, and a majority with 7 players is also 4. Whatever way you look at this, the fourth vote going down is the point from which they could have activated it.

 

[Leon TrotSky]

And because I don’t think you’re a moron or an idiot who would genuinely believe that, I think you’re mafia and trying to twist a narrative that I’ve been able to poke a load of holes in.

So in your eyes, I'm either scum or an idiot. Good to know.

You're forgetting that the execute thing was not even the reason I first came to suspect you. That was you pushing the narrative of PHEN0M having made a scum slip because he assumed what is 99.99% true (that a janitored slot was town). If the execute theory is incorrect, I'm willing to admit that. But don't bother trying to twist it back at me, because that would make your second false narrative in a 24h period

 

[Mandalorian]

So in your eyes, I'm either scum or an idiot. Good to know.

You're forgetting that the execute thing was not even the reason I first came to suspect you. That was you pushing the narrative of PHEN0M having made a scum slip because he assumed what is 99.99% true (that a janitored slot was town). If the execute theory is incorrect, I'm willing to admit that. But don't bother trying to twist it back at me, because that would make your second false narrative in a 24h period

Excuse me for not believing that you’ve bought into the reasons that you’ve presented for me being responsible for the execute. It was you that brought the incorrect maths into this, not me. You looked for a reason why I’d have gotten it wrong after I pointed out to you that it was your vote that got us to the halfway point where the threshold was met, not mine. You then initially shouted OMGUS as a defence.

I already said that I made the comment to Phenom about the slip to invoke a reaction from him because we’ve got absolutely nothing to work from in order to read his slot. Would you just have us leave the slot alone?

I find it frankly ironic that you’re going to pull me up about narratives after the hoops you’ve tried to jump through to tie me to the execution.

 

[Mandalorian]

The bottom line is, the threshold for the execution being activated was met after Sky’s vote. I am not even suggesting that means that Sky is the one responsible for it.

It just means that after she voted, they could have done it. That’s why I initially highlighted the four that had voted for Shade up to that point. My vote came in after that but if people want to suspect me because of it then I am okay with that. I understand and feel I’ve been nothing but forthcoming and open to discussion.

What I’m not going to take is weak reasoning being used against me. I acted in this manner with Pendex yesterday and I’ll do it again now and in the future if I have to. I am not the type of player or person to OMGUS and throw my toys out of the pram if someone votes or suspects me. If you have a valid reason for me (like the vote on Shade), that’s fine and we can discuss. I can accept that.

I’m going to pick holes in things and question things which might not look right. I said to Phenom that he assumed four town and I also later said he was correct to as a janitored player is almost always town, but given he’d not read any of the thread and therefore did not have a read on Lethal, I felt it was a fair question. Plus, I wanted to see how he reacted to being put under suspicion and I didn’t like his responses for us to focus on the more active players and leave him alone.

 

[Leon TrotSky]

The bottom line is, the threshold for the execution being activated was met after Sky’s vote. I am not even suggesting that means that Sky is the one responsible for it.

It just means that after she voted, they could have done it. That’s why I initially highlighted the four that had voted for Shade up to that point. My vote came in after that but if people want to suspect me because of it then I am okay with that. I understand and feel I’ve been nothing but forthcoming and open to discussion.

Then why did you go on to suggest I was a scum read after going through such a long argument? And don't say because I defended myself. I've got as much right to defend against wild accusations as you do.

 

[Mandalorian]

Then why did you go on to suggest I was a scum read after going through such a long argument? And don't say because I defended myself. I've got as much right to defend against wild accusations as you do.

Because the reasons you presented to incorrectly paint me as scum did not make sense.

As I believe you to be smarter than that, I am left with thinking you did it for reasons to intentionally make me look bad and you’d only do that as mafia.

The whole “thinking it was 5 instead of 4” thing was absolutely ludicrous. You didn’t bring that up to defend yourself. You brought that up as a case against me.

My case all along is that it could have been anyone because that was my understanding of how the executioner role works. You ignored that and attempted to attribute it to me individually.

 

[Leon TrotSky]

Because the reasons you presented to incorrectly paint me as scum did not make sense.

As I believe you to be smarter than that, I am left with thinking you did it for reasons to intentionally make me look bad and you’d only do that as mafia.

The whole “thinking it was 5 instead of 4” thing was absolutely ludicrous. You didn’t bring that up to defend yourself. You brought that up as a case against me.

My case all along is that it could have been anyone because that was my understanding of how the executioner role works. You ignored that and attempted to attribute it to me individually.

I think the time is now to climb down and admit that I am, in fact, not smarter than that. The thought that it was 5 rather than 4 was my position, it made almost too perfect sense

 

[Mandalorian]

I think the time is now to climb down and admit that I am, in fact, not smarter than that. The thought that it was 5 rather than 4 was my position, it made almost too perfect sense

So where does this leave us then? Am I still the mastermind behind all of this or do you see where I’m coming from about when the trigger could have been activated?

I’m not placing myself above suspicion, either. If people want to suspect me for this then they can because I did vote for Shade. I’ve even admitted a lot of my defence is WIFOM. I accept that. I’m not clear for this.

Nor am I putting it down to solely you, Sky. It’s just as possible that they saw your vote go down and pounced. This has been my position all along. It could be anyone apart from Juice. When I said that what you were arguing fit you more than me is because I was working under the impression that the fourth vote (yours) is what locked it in so if it was you, you’d have done it then. If you did misread it all and went on me because you thought it was the fifth and I was fifth, I see where you’re coming from. Unfortunately, that’s not the case though.

I am an accountant with a four year old that’s obsessed with maths and asks me dozens of questions every day. I cannot escape numbers. It’s a blessing and a curse lol.

 

[Mandalorian]

What are your thoughts on Phenom?

Ignoring whose vote triggered what and the entire execution side of it all, his vote looks objectively the worst to me.

 

[Leon TrotSky]

Your point does make sense regarding the execute, though if it were decided on my vote I still don't see why Smark adds votes that were made after the decision was made. I'm at least not going to read you scum based off that for now.

Regarding N0M, he's objectively stunk all game, but it gives me pause that Barry was the other one characterising what N0M did as a slip other than you, given I also read him scum. A distance, perhaps?