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So your genuine advice to Riley would be to leave WWE and go to TNA to further his career in WWE?

Nope, as Testify said you really aren't getting the point I'm saying if he is released it isn't the end of the world you're seemingly predicting for him. I'm saying it won't do any harm to go to TNA, DG:USA, Chikara, NJPW, AJPW, Some place in Europe or Mexico and improve himself further, prove himself to have star potential and then a WWE return wouldn't be out of the question. I'm assuming you'd advise him to languish on the House Show circuit in the WWE and wait for Vince to remember he exists and push him as it's the better option than taking the release and trying to improve further.

 

[Crayo]

When did I once say it was the end of the world? Or even hint it? I even said I would enjoy him more away from WWE more likely due to how WWE use him. I said he has great potential and should be big in WWE, so I would want him to stay so he can try and actually get pushed and pursue his career, before either getting released or getting fed up himself.

I completely don't get this logic though of having them leave WWE to develop. Sure, if he wants to be used more and stuff then leave, but there isn't many places he'd get paid more (unless he's high up the card), and a sudden huge amount of fame which would warrant a WWE return. I think it's you that doesn't get my point here dude. To make it simpler, I want him to succeed in WWE. If there is NO chance of that, then I too would want him to leave so I can enjoy his talent where it's actually used. If he is not released, then there is still every chance in the world WWE will eventually use him... But I do think he has a chance to succeed in WWE, and of course I want him to remain in the company for him to have that chance. I think Riley could be big, personally.

 

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Would rather them keep him and realise he's talented, and then give him a push. You seem to think people can just hop companies every year, lol.

Does this not insinuate that if he leaves the WWE he can't come back relatively soon also.

I find it strange you think WWE would even employ him again if he went to TNA for example.

Also here you're saying that it is unlikely he'd be rehired if he went to TNA or another company by using the term "for example" showing again that it's likely it's the end of the road if he went to TNA.

Plus you mentioned his age factoring against him here :

So you want Riley to leave WWE for what, 3 or so years? Come back at 35/36 and expect a large push after being in a rival company?

Doesn't that insinuate again it's unlikely he'll receive a big push if he's released now after having a chance to further his skills.

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I completely don't get this logic though of having them leave WWE to develop. - So he's better off performing at House Shows rather than getting used to being on live TV, working different companies (each with their own style and audience) and competitors?​

Sure, if he wants to be used more and stuff then leave, but there isn't many places he'd get paid more (unless he's high up the card), and a sudden huge amount of fame which would warrant a WWE return. - If he wants money then sure stay with the WWE but we aren't talking money we're talking his progression as a talent. ​

I think it's you that doesn't get my point here dude. To make it simpler, I want him to succeed in WWE. If there is NO chance of that, then I too would want him to leaveso I can enjoy his talent where it's actually used. If he is not released, then there is still every chance in the world WWE will eventually use him... - That's being very optimistic, what gives you the hope they'll turn around and say you, I want to push you. Why would he suddenly break out of the hole he's in? I get your point clearly it just seems to be a bit hopeful. I'm assuming you'll use Axel as an example although apparently Axel has support backstage which Riley doesn't, plus his lineage could have been a factor. It's all hearsay admittedly but could be reasoning for his sudden push, plus what are the odds they'll push Riley all of a sudden? I understand he has to be in the company to be pushed but what is better for his career, chilling on Houseshows or getting experience on TV? I know you're optimistic about him being used better but you must admit the realistic approach is that it's unlikely for a while yet, who knows they may pleasantly surprise us but I doubt it.​

But I do think he has a chance to succeed in WWE, and of course I want him to remain in the company for him to have that chance. I think Riley could be big, personally. - He may have the potential, I think we've both mentioned he's got some serious potential previously (strong look and promo ability plus being pretty god darn charismatic) but it's just that it's potential he needs a stage to showcase it and although I may be a pessimist I can't see him getting that shot anywhere else.​

 

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Does the bold show for people it isn't for me again

 

[Crayo]

You went all mustafar mode and posted a huge huge post to something rather small, and displayed it pretty horribly lol. -.-

For the first two posts, I highly doubt RIley could come back to WWE "soon" if he went to TNA. I know it has been done, but I wouldn't expect anything big in terms of a push - or even bigger than now - if he were to return. Other than leaving WWE for TNA and just having a better time there, I don't see that as an option. If he were to leave WWE and go to TNA for good, or to simply have more fun and be used more, then I am all for it... if there was no chance of a push in WWE. I want to be entertained by Riley, I have said this like 6 times in this freaking debate now. Not sure why you keep bringing up house shows too, I get it, he is on them for the majority, but there is a fresh NXT developmental brand he can work with, and that is where he can reinvent himself or showcase his skill. House shows help as well; the more WWE see how over is the better.

I don't think it's the end of the world if he is released, and if he is then the optimistic side of me will be pleased as I can now enjoy him, but if there is ANY chance of success at WWE then I would rather him develop in WWE under HHH's wing and progress his career there. Not sure how I can differentiate between the two any further to be honest. Sure it's a bit far-fetched to expect anything, but they have had a couple "clean outs" now in WWE whilst Riley has been in limbo, and he hasn't been released yet, so that might speak wonders? The guy trends every time he is on RAW remotely - even petty burial backstage segments - and has great support on Twitter anyway. He has 326,000 followers just for jobbing on Superstars, he connects well with his fans. Why would I not be optimnistic? It's the same reason Ryder wasn't released in my opinion, the guy simply connects with his audience well. But Riley has a lot more in terms of skills needed to succeed in WWE.

I just think we have a different ideology about this. You seem to share Stopspot's "leave WWE and reinvent yourself so they can resign you" approach, where as I think the fact WWE are doing wonders with NXT and their current developmental crop is definitely the place for him to develop. WWE will take your skills way more seriously if they are shown in WWE themselves than if they are shown in a lesser company, and let's be honest, all wrestling companies are below the big WWE (respectfully, and not in terms of entertainment btw).

 

[Snowman1]

Just leaving this here for Crayo (politically correct kayfabe interview warning)



Remember the IWC buzzing about this, all this talk about "reinvention"...

 

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I don't disagree with Stopspot's philosophy (surprising I know) but I can't help but see how challenging yourself is better than doing the same thing all the time, he's not even on NXT from what I remember and I don't see why they'd put him there given it's direction (it's more towards establishing new guys bar Bray isn't it? I don't class Bo's short run as a proper return too, Cesaro does appearances every so often but he's not an NXT staple either IMO maybe with this feud against Generico he may be however throwing Riley back down for seasoning seems odd given it's history.)

We can chalk it off to differing ideologies if you wish.

 

[Crayo]

It is more to establishing new guys, but they have used it to reinvent people too. Different gimmicks etc. I don't think he needs a new gimmick though to be honest.

 

[Aids Johnson]

Hey everyone check out how butthurt the argument became.

 

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It is more to establishing new guys, but they have used it to reinvent people too. Different gimmicks etc. I don't think he needs a new gimmick though to be honest.

What is his current gimmick, since he broke away from the Miz its just been babyface #3 hasn't it? I legitimately have no idea.

 

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Hey everyone check out how butthurt the argument became.

Huh?

 

[Crayo]

Just leaving this here for Crayo (politically correct kayfabe interview warning)



Remember the IWC buzzing about this, all this talk about "reinvention"...

I never actually saw this. God dammit I would have been filled with optimism. Nice to know he is still confident though. You can tell he is pretty frustrated too, which is natural.

 

[Crayo]

What is his current gimmick, since he broke away from the Miz its just been babyface #3 hasn't it? I legitimately have no idea.

Yeah it's not even a gimmick atm. By not wanting a gimmick change, I mean I don't want him to suddenly change everything around, because what he has works. He just needs a heel run imo so he can showcase more. His jock gimmick was awesome.



That on RAW would be so dope.

 

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The Jock thing was decent but I'd have preferred him in Axel's place over it, shame really.

 

[Aids Johnson]

Huh?

yet, okay?