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HBK's Best Mania Match

  • WM 10 vs Razor

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  • WM 12 vs Hart

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  • WM 19 vs Jericho

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  • WM 20 vs HHH & Benoit

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  • WM 21 vs Angle

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  • WM 23 vs Cena

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  • WM 24 vs Flair

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  • WM 25 vs Taker

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I'm going with the triple threat at WM20.

The Taker/HBK encounter at WM25 was the better match the first time I watched it but I find myself enjoying the triple threat more when it comes to repeated viewings.

Bret/HBK (Restholdmania) is one of the most overrated matches to me.
 

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^I'll also read it.

Anyway, the answer to the question for me is surprisingly easy considering how great those matches are but it's definitely his match against Angle. As a matter of fact, it is my third favorite match, period. I only like two matches better than that one. From there, ordering them gets a little tricky but I'll try and quickly give my thoughts on every match.

The ladder match against Razor Ramon was really good. I don't really have much else to say, it doesn't rank too highly for me but I enjoyed it. Hart at XII seems like a love it or hate it match. I've seen several people either calling it the most overrated match or calling it one of the most brilliant matches for being able to captivate them for a full hour with a well-told story. Their doesn't appear to be any middle ground, it's one way or the other. Which way do I fall under? The middle ground. Yeah, oddly enough the match went by relatively quickly for me, the end was good, and I like the story, so I enjoyed it but I also didn't because about forty-five minutes were essentially the same thing, with only little bouts of intrigue. I didn't hate it and even enjoyed it for several parts but I certainly don't ever want to watch it again. I'd also say that the Lesnar/Angle Iron man match, which I thought was much better and even told a much better story. It's up there with my favorite matches of all time.

That diversion aside, I think his bout with Jericho is extremely overrated. It's good, it's not bad, but I don't think it was show-stealing, and I don't even think it's one of his top five bouts. The triple threat at Mania is one of my favorite matches and is my second favorite triple threat, only losing out to the Backlash rematch. Yeah, the triple threat lead to my favorite moment in wrestling and drew much more on emotion than the Backlash match, but I just in-ring content wise I think their Backlash match is better. The Cena match was pretty good, didn't like it nearly as much their Raw match a week or two after and it's probably my least favorite match of what I've seen from that event.

His match against Flair, I thought it was terrible. Look, I understand the point of the match was to draw on emotion, and it did that and the sweet chin music moment was fantastic but watching the match, I was bored out of my mind. Maybe it's because I've never been a big Flair fan or maybe it's because I watched it post-Mania (was suppose to watch it live, cable box crashed day of) but it didn't suck me in. That one moment at the end was great but one moment doesn't make a match great. The XXV bout I think is incredibly overrated and I'd only rank it about average to slightly above average. Initially, I thought the match was amazing but when I went to rewatch it a day or two later, I found that it wasn't. You see, XXV was my first live WrestleMania PPV (because of the aforementioned incident) and I had high expectations and man did that PPV sucked. One good thing surrounded by a pile of trash shines as if it was gold. When I watched it by itself, it didn't hold up for me.

The rematch in my opinion is much better but I understand people's problems with it.
 

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WM 25 That epic entrance
 

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At Wm 26 the moonsault...was that a Botch ? Lol at taker 28:35
 

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Hard to say... I liked what Jericho did when his match finished.... What a kick to HBK's balls...

The both with Taker were awesome but the one with Hart was also great...
 

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Razor Ramon vs Shawn Michaels

What, back then, was an innovative and ‘extreme’ ladder match, now looks like a pretty standard ladder match to me. I still think it is a really good match – just the match is not anywhere near his best WM efforts. In saying all this, it has aged a lot better than Bret/Shawn did, and there was still some great moments. Shawn’s jump off of the ladder, the spot where Michaels falls on Ramon with the ladder, as well as Ramon’s suplex all looked pretty sore. Oh, and Michaels’s overselling was awesome as always lol.

But yeah, again, I’m going to rate this on how it would hold up nowadays, so I’ll go ***. Possibly generous, but giving this match any less would be criminal.

Bret Hart vs Shawn Michaels


Really good match, was a ballsy move to only have the one fall, I think they should have had it be 1-1 at least then the overtime personally. W/E, I guess that’s what makes this match so unique.

The start was little dull, the first 10 was fine with the back and forth technical wrestling, but the next 10 had too many rest holds which made it pretty boring at that point for me. Michaels working over of Bret’s arms seemed a little random as well. It seemed like they were gonna make that the big thing of the match, Michaels trying to counter Bret’s power game, but then they just ignored it and it was forgotten? It picked up a little bit for the next 15-20 with Michaels taking a few great bumps. His flying clothesline, one of his Irish whips and when he was launched over the ropes from Bret all looked pretty damn sore.

The last 10 minutes were great except the annoying ass rest hold from Bret that lasted two minutes or so. They made it exciting at the end without the use of 4-5 false finishes which annoys the hell out of me these days. Bret’s sharpshooter was the perfect way to end, genuinely wasn’t sure whether Michaels was tapping or not.

The end of the overtime could have been a little more exciting, I would have had Bret duck the second SCM and have him lock in the Sharpshooter, only to be reversed. Oh well, as I said, better than numerous false finishes.

Definitely another one of those matches that doesn’t age well. I mean the fact they were making a big deal of moves like the hurricanrana and Michaels’s skinning of the car, whereas now they’re used in TV matches kind of shows the difference, Nevertheless, it’s a great match even now. Bret seemed to work as the heel and he did that extremely well, and Michaels’s usual flamboyancy was beautiful.

***1/2 (Granted, it would have most likely be near 5* back then)


Chris Jericho vs Shawn Michaels

Damn, I have such a soft spot for this match. They incorporate the storyline really well into the match. Jericho is just such an incredible heel worker, busting out Shawn’s moves was a really great touch. Working on the back of Michaels was predictable, yet logical due to injuries and Jericho’s moveset. A nice blend of mark out moments, technical wrestling and JR’s commentary make this match great. Crowd was great too.

****1/2


Triple H vs Chris Benoit vs Shawn Michaels

Absolutely love this match. It goes at 100MPH from start to finish and consequently it’s about as good a Triple Threat match as you’re ever gonna see. Michaels was always the third wheel in this one really, as the entire thing was about Benoit winning the title off of Trips. Still absolutely love that announce table spot, Benoit takes it like an absolute boss. Aside from that, finish was awesome, Benoit forcing a bloodied Triple H to tap after a couple of minutes in the crossface was just perfect. The celebration though, has to be one of the saddest things to watch looking back - so damn emotional.

As I say, as good a TT as I’ve ever seen. ****1/2

Kurt Angle vs Shawn Michaels


What a fapworthy contest this one is. I love the mat wrestling battle they have at the start, with Shawn coming out on top. It set an exciting tone for the match that Angle would have to go to all lengths in order to win the match. Once again, logically, Kurt targets the lower back of Shawn and apart from the slightly botched ‘Angle slam’ into the ring post, the offence was great. I’m not sure if it was intentional, but the crowd appeared to be pro-Angle and there were points where Michaels seemed to be wrestling as the heel a little bit which I though was awesome (The low blow, slaps etc).

There were some fantastic spots; In particular the moonsault/crossbody onto the announce table, which looked painful as hell. Also, there was a few near-falls which got me on first viewing and definitely had the crowd fooled as well. I legitimately thought it was game over after the top rope Angle slam.

Overall, it was a great match, great finish and a really hot crowd. One of my favourite matches ever.

****3/4


John Cena vs Shawn Michaels


I actually didn’t enjoy this one as much I remembered doing so. I am by no means a hater on Cena’s ring work, I actually find it to be pretty good sometimes, but Michaels carried this one for big parts of it. Two things piss me off about this match, and I’m not sure if either are entirely John’s fault. 1. His complete no selling of the knee after Shawn worked on it for a long period of the match. 2. I’m pretty sure Cena doesn’t actually execute one move that isn’t in the ‘five moves of doom’. Basically it was just punches, kicks, and his signature stuff.

Still, not gonna take too much away from him, it was still a great match and he took that Piledriver like a boss. Michaels was obviously different class throughout, made a potentially pretty poor main event with Cena a great one. Think their Raw bout is better however.

***3/4

Ric Flair vs Shawn Michaels


Just a perfect match in every way. It basically booked itself in how it would go, obviously executed superbly by both men. It’s kind of funny, that in this match a 60 Y/O outshined Cena in the last one lol. I still can’t get over Shawn continuing after that broken rib; you would have thought he’d have toned it down, but not at all. He does another badass moonsault where Flair didn’t even catch him lmao. But yeah, Flair’s desperation to win, all the dirty moves, coupled with Michaels’s refusal to put him down were just great. The ending was perfect, everyone seen it coming, but it’s still just brilliance.

****

Undertaker vs Shawn Michaels – Wrestlemania 25


Let’s be honest, there’s nothing I can say about this match that hasn’t already been said 100 times by now, it’s just flawless.

I think these two work together so well not only because of their extraordinary in-ring abilities, but the fact they have two characters that, despite being face, contrast each other so much. Michaels’s character is a douche that dances about in your face, getting under the skin of his opponent whilst entertaining the crowd. On the contrary, you have Undertaker, a guy who never acknowledges the crowd, he just decimates opponents, but his mind games are completely different from Shawn’s, using his creepy, Deadman ways to put opponents off their game; they are two characters that have an incredible amount of depth, which is something sadly lacking in the top faces of today.

Immediately Undertaker’s streak appears in more danger of ending than usual (to a casual) as Shawn is seemingly unfazed by Taker’s games, and he’s the one who is in fact antagonizing the Undertaker. The first ten or so mainly being Michaels is great, because it is unusual for Undertaker not to start off the dominant one. Of course Undertaker comes back and hits a few signature moves, before the two incredible rope dives. Firstly Shawn’s, which will be overlooked due to the spectacular dive which proceeded (right word?) it. He Moonsaults straight into the mats without any sort of protection, despite the fact only a year prior to that he broke a rib doing so. Then Taker one ups him and just goes fucking insane, practically breaking his neck. How he never got injured off of that I’ll never know.

Earlier on I complained about finisher fests. Well technically speaking, this one was a complete finisher fest. There’s 10-15 mins of basically just pure finishers. With this one though, it felt necessary. It didn’t bury the finishers, as this was just such a special occasion. Shawn’s kickout of the tombstone was beautiful - J.R and Taker’s reaction make it legendary lol. The final tombstone from the Moonsault was worthy of finishing a match as good as this. No roll through required from Taker from the turnbuckle catch, just a lovely transition into a TS.

These guys could have easily put in a half arsed effort and this match would still go down as a classic, but it is a testament to both of them that they were willing to risk their lives just to entertain us, yet again.

Best match I have ever seen.

*****

Undertaker vs Shawn Michaels – Wrestlemania 26

This match is obviously outstanding, just like every other match I have commented on. However, it just doesn’t quite compare to the previous match with Taker somehow. I do like how it is less back and forth, because with Michaels getting that extended period of offence in the middle it genuinely makes it appear, at least a little bit, like The Streak was in jeopardy. The ending is, once again, one of those that just writes itself. It’s basically the exact same way that Flair went down, and it works.

It just seems to lack something that their first bout had somehow. Just a little less gripping for me. I’m going

****1/2

So, anyways….

1. Shawn Michaels vs The Undertaker – WM25
2. Shawn Michaels vs Kurt Angle – WM21
3. Shawn Michaels vs The Undertaker – WM26
4. Shawn Michaels vs Chris Jericho – WM19
5. Shawn Michaels vs Triple H vs Chris Benoit WM20
6. Shawn Michaels vs Ric Flair – WM24
7. Shawn Michaels vs John Cena WM23
8. Shawn Michaels vs Bret Hart WM12
9. Shawn Michaels vs Razor Ramon WM10


Expecting hate for putting the last two where I did. I’ve stated a few times, I appreciate the Impact they had and just how impressive those matches were at the time. They’re both still unbelievable performances, but looking at these matches from a neutral perspective, they have to go there on my last I’m afraid.

But yeah, feel free to rip to shreds anything I’ve just said, any reply is appreciated.
 
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Tempted to do a similar thing now, just to see how my views compare. I disagree on Razor and Hart but that could be due to differing tastes.
 

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I loved the Hart/Michaels rivalry and loved their 'Mania match!
 

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Dirk Diggler said:
Tempted to do a similar thing now, just to see how my views compare. I disagree on Razor and Hart but that could be due to differing tastes.

You should, would be awesome. I thought most would disagree with my opinion on that, I guess I'm just used to the modern style of wrestling and those two matches are totally different from what I'm used to.
 
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You should, would be awesome. I thought most would disagree with my opinion on that, I guess I'm just used to the modern style of wrestling and those two matches are totally different from what I'm used to.

I don't, I totally agree! That has to be second favorite 'Mania match.
 

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Razor vs HBK - Ladder Match WM X

"Hall's claim to fame was being in the ring whilst Shawn Michaels wrestled a ladder" - Ric Flair

Oh nature boy, how wrong could you be?

I'm a huge fan of character intergration into match ups and this one starts out with two prime examples, the arrogant self obsessed pretty boy Shawn Michaels feigns going under the ladder but before he does he wags his finger and walks round, he'll spit in the face of tradition but won't let these people see it as it's what they want. Razor comes out and goes straight under for a big pop, it's the little things which sell a characters whole direction and Ramone going straight through sums his in your face babyface persona just as well as Shawn's fake did his. The match starts out with the two exchanging holds before Razor gets the upperhand and hits a big chokeslam uranagi, it's a solid intro then Hall takes his first big bump of the night being tossed through the middle rope by Michaels before being decked by Big Daddy Cool with a clothesline, this leads to Hebner throwing Diesel out to be a big pop. I'm pleased with the tempo at the start, how they didn't use the ladder straight away to avoid it being a crutch and the removing of Diesel so he doesn't overshadow these two.

The ladder is then brought into play and we see some of the most iconic spots hit by Shawn including the bareass elbow ( :gusta: ), the splash and the ladder fall. However what's often overshadowed is the fact they beat eachother with the ladder but it was in ways that fit their characters, Shawn's was about getting the iconic pictures while Razor was all about just kicking the crap out of Shawn, this is why Razor is often overshadowed in this match, it was structured almost too well and many just remember Shawn but it fits from a psychological standpoint. Anyway the spots were solid and well paced so it wasn't just bouncing between them a story was told in between them, plus Shawn's selling was top notch as always.

The ending of the match again fits the persona's Shawn is portraying, look at how he refuses to move Razor rather placing the ladder over his fallen body and climbing, this allows Razor to get back to his feet and topple Shawn onto the ropes, sadly the ending was botched as Shawn had to alter his footing after landing to get it caught up. It was the only botch I can recall but justn ruined the flow slightly. Razor collapses after clutching the titles to sell he's been in a war.

My rating? *** 3/4* - It's a well paced psychological classic which is more than the eye tends to see, the little parts aren't noticable as they are but if they aren't present you'd miss them a lot. It has solid spots but avoids being spotty.
 
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