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Since there is a Rock vs. cRap why not have a Metal vs. Rock? Which I assure you are completely two different genres of music.

Metal - Good

Rock - Fucking gay ass shit that doesn't even sound remotely close to anything good.

Debate.
 

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Well who's metal and who's rock? Ill through some examples out there for you to answer.

Tool?
A Perfect Circle?
Alice in Chains?
Nirvana?
Etc.

I just really don't see the difference unless everyone I named is rock, and metal is like Pantera and shit. So IDK.
 

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grunge>>>>metal

enough said

also what kind of metal? because i can deal with the lighter metal, but things like speed metal and death metal are pure shit
 

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I'm just going to throw out 3 bands here. I coudl throw out more, but 3 are enough I think to end this arguement.

Led Zeppelin
Pink Floyd
The Doors

There we go.
 
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Since there is a Rock vs. cRap why not have a Metal vs. Rock? Which I assure you are completely two different genres of music.

Metal - Good

Rock - Fucking gay ass shit that doesn't even sound remotely close to anything good.

Debate.

Thats got to be one of the most idiotic things I've ever read. Insulting individual genres of music is ridiculous, and proves that you know next to nothing about music. I hate metal, but I'm not going to list why I think it sucks unless you ask me to.

Jimi Hendrix, Pink Floyd, The Doors, Blue Oyster Cult, The Who, Cream, The Beatles, Zeppelin, Mountain, Skynyrd, Allman Brothers, Grateful Dead.

I've just listed some of the essential overall (Rock) bands of all time. I don't care if you don't like them, but if you them talentless you are an idiot. Actually, wait I already think you are an idiot at the moment for making this thread.

If you would like me to point why I think why a lot of metal bands are large pieces of musical trash, then please do so. But I don't do it unless someone asks, because freedom of choice of music without feeling like your wrong is important to some people.
 
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Well who's metal and who's rock? Ill through some examples out there for you to answer.

Tool?
A Perfect Circle?
Alice in Chains?
Nirvana?
Etc.

I just really don't see the difference unless everyone I named is rock, and metal is like Pantera and shit. So IDK.

Tool, Perfect Circle are rock. Nirvana, is bad i mean grunge. Alice in chains is Metal.

Rock, on a general basis, is the mainstream stuff. Godsmack (hardrock), AC/DC (Classic rock), Led Zeppilen(Classic Rock), Tool (rock), etc.

Metal on the other hand is often to heavy, to rough, or to complicated (or just to much) for the average person. The Harsh, or Epic vocals. The Constant stream of nonstop pounding drums, The extrodinarily fast riffs and the rapid, if not, random time signitures that can come with the Metal genre. I'm talking bands like Death, Nile, Nevermore, Iced Earth, Emperor, Vader, Slayer, Communic, Morbid Angel, Obituiary, Cannible Corpse, Venom, etc.

Now, i'm not saying that your views are wrong or anything. But no rock band has the complexity and layers that true metal bands do. Now these bands i'm discussing do NOT include; Killswitch Engage, Slipknot, As i lay dying, static X, etc.

that is the difference between Rock and Metal.
 
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Thats got to be one of the most idiotic things I've ever read. Insulting individual genres of music is ridiculous, and proves that you know next to nothing about music. I hate metal, but I'm not going to list why I think it sucks unless you ask me to.

Jimi Hendrix, Pink Floyd, The Doors, Blue Oyster Cult, The Who, Cream, The Beatles, Zeppelin, Mountain, Skynyrd, Allman Brothers, Grateful Dead.

I've just listed some of the essential overall (Rock) bands of all time. I don't care if you don't like them, but if you them talentless you are an idiot. Actually, wait I already think you are an idiot at the moment for making this thread.

If you would like me to point why I think why a lot of metal bands are large pieces of musical trash, then please do so. But I don't do it unless someone asks, because freedom of choice of music without feeling like your wrong is important to some people.


Go ahead, But you have to go by things like this. The Muisical Talent. Jimi Hendrix was high 216% of the time. As was Led Zepplin's Vocalist.

Now the musical talent in Metal exceeds what you believe. Your stuck on the fact that people keep saying Slipknot and Killswitch Engage is true metal. But they look past the fact that they were influenced by such musicians like, Chuck Shuldiner (Death, Control Denied), Matt Barlow (Iced Earth, Pyramaze), Jon Schaffer (Iced Earth, Demons & Wizards), Kirk Hammet (eXodus, Metallica), Jeff Loomis (Santuary, Nevermore) & Warrel Dane (Santuary, Nevermore)
 
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Go ahead, But you have to go by things like this. The Muisical Talent. Jimi Hendrix was high 216% of the time. As was Led Zepplin's Vocalist.

Now the musical talent in Metal exceeds what you believe. Your stuck on the fact that people keep saying Slipknot and Killswitch Engage is true metal. But they look past the fact that they were influenced by such musicians like, Chuck Shuldiner (Death, Control Denied), Matt Barlow (Iced Earth, Pyramaze), Jon Schaffer (Iced Earth, Demons & Wizards), Kirk Hammet (eXodus, Metallica), Jeff Loomis (Santuary, Nevermore) & Warrel Dane (Santuary, Nevermore)

Ahh, assumptions, assumptions. I don't what real metal is eh? I used to listen and WORSHIP all those bands you just mentioned. I was a HUGE metalhead about two years. Just wanted to clear that up before I make my points.

Now, you mentioned technical skill as what I should go by when making my points and I agree that it should be taken into consideration. But, let me also say that a bands creativity, live show, originality, among other things should be taken just as much into effect, with that lets get going.

Metal and Rock, in their historical roots, essentially go hand in hand. Which is why I said that this thread is iffy in the first place. You have GREAT rock guitarists who can play a technical style such as Ritchie Blackmore, and Steve Howe, but here's the difference-they keep their playing fresh and original compared to many metal guitarists.

See, as you probably already know, when the Thrash movement started, it was about a total disregard for any way music, up to that point was meant to be played. The problem with that, is that it doesn't become 100% about the music anymore does it? It was a fad, it was something teenage kids who wanted to get away from the glam and pop, did to rebel more or less.

Bands like Slayer, Exodus, Testament all had the EXACT SAME formula for their music. Included where heavy downtuned riffs, a beavy of palm muting, and a more often than not, wanky and formless guitar solo. The bass played well too many root notes, and the drums were ALWAYS a double bass frenzy of just seeing who could play faster. Which is why I often say that if you've heard one thrash song, you've heard around 90% of them. Now, by the same token, take a guy like Jimmy Page, who played some very beautiful acoustic melodies and then breaks out something like Whole Lotta Love. Its a change, a CONTRAST, something new.

Now, onto originality. Well this is where Rock completely trounces Metal, and its by default because rock MADE Metal. Blue Cheer, The Who, Black Sabbath, Mountain, Jimi Hendrix, and Led Zeppelin, were all rock bands who Metal artists consistently mention as influences. Metal was original in the sense of the Thrash movement I suppose, but even that was just a more "cranked up" version of the Bay Area Punk bands that were litering the San Fran. scene in the early 80s.

So, in conclusion, the basic points are that most Rock bands have more originality/freedom for songwriting than Metal bands. Because if a Metal band writes a record of all acoustic material, it really isn't Metal anymore is it?
Technical skill shouldn't come into it as much as you say. There are Metal bands that have tons of skill, such as Death, but they can't songwrite for balls. As opposed to a Rock band, who will usually have compatable, to very good musicians, and can write more memorable songs.

This was really just a sloppy overview of all my points. If you wish to disect my points further, just ask me to explain them indivudually, so I can give you a more clear answer of what I'm talking. Also, keep in mind that I DO think Metal is music, and that it has a voice. I just think its a very unoriginal voice, that has been riddled with bad cliches, and sub par songwriting.
 

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okay so im not going to give you a detailed run down of my knowledge of metal and rock music,ill look totally stupid in comparison to FFTG's hah

I listen to bands of both genres,however i prefer metal.

Rock music has become somewhat repetative,in what ive listened to anyway,so dont quote me on it.

I can fully understand why many many people don't like metal music,i'm not ignorant.
It's just what I prefer,not because of certain riffs,beats etc..

it just like to way it sounds,as a whole.
i dont look too far into the deatils of music,or take it too seriously,especially when getting into discussions like this..

it takes the enjoyment out of listening to music,no matter what genre.
 
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^Well said.


I don't like getting into arguments about music. But when someone unfairly criticizes a genre of music, that I like no less, I tend to give my opinion as well. I don't mind if anyone likes metal at all, I'm just trying to present the view of someone who doesn't like it, thats all.
 

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I personally love Metal and all genres of music too. But what I'm really sick of is all the "cliche" bands of each genre.

Just pisses me off.
 
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Good debate Flair! That's all I have to say.

EDIT: Just so you know, I didn't make this post. I was taking a dump and my cousin jumped on a made this post. Notice the intelligence difference between the first and second posts I made.