Konnan Gets Himself Into Hot Water

[Leo C]

Do you know Konnan personally? Can you guarantee 100% that it was all a joke.

Here's how it works: The person who's body is being touched sets the rules. If that person is uncomfortable with being touched in any way then that person has every right to say so and defend themselves as they see fit, Konnan making some rude/raunchy/dirty/whatever comment does not absolve him. He still acted improper to this woman because she felt that he was acting improper. And that's the only measuring stick that can be used in regards to a persons body outside of extreme cases of obvious groping.

Sure. Just saying that getting upset over a pat on the back, in my opinion, is overreacting. She gets the right to be upset or whatever, even if I wouldn't react the same way. I'm just surprised that this has caused a commotion, as I expected most people to also not see this as a big deal.

 

[Roadster]

Ok cool, a washed up 70 year old midcard hag told someone they aren't pretty. Too Rude.

 

[Rogue]

Yeah, it was definitely in a more-than-friendly manner. Telling her she ain't that pretty, smh. She's a solid eight from the looks of it.

 

[The GOAT]

And that makes what he said okay? If she felt that it was sexual and not okay, or if she didn't felt that it was sexual but still wasn't okay with it she has every right as a person to indicate so. She is the one who sets where the limit for her body goes, not Konnan. And his response is not painting him in a good light. Who the fuck responds to someone saying no like that but someone who thinks with the dick? Especially if he and this woman do not know each other. Then he's just coming off like a tool.

Point being, every person sets the limit for what is okay with their body, she might just not like people touching her at all without consent. And that is okay, she writes the rules for herself.

Of course it's up to her to decide whether she's comfortable with a stranger touching her or not. Just like it's up to me to decide if I think she's being too delicate or timid about it and overreacting.

 

[Stopspot]

Except you cannot determine if another person overreacts or not, because to her it most likely isn't overreacting. You are of course entitled to an opinion, but the only one who can without a doubt determine if she is overreacting or not is herself.

She's not the one in the wrong here, it is Konnan

 

[Wacokid27]

Except you cannot determine if another person overreacts or not, because to her it most likely isn't overreacting. You are of course entitled to an opinion, but the only one who can without a doubt determine if she is overreacting or not is herself.

I have to disagree with that. If I can objectively view the action, I can decide if overreaction occurred. This glorification of people's opinions on whether or not they've been wronged is at the heart of the problems of modern society. In earlier generations, a person could take immense personal offense at someone else's actions and much of society shrugged their shoulders and said, "It's not that big of a deal." And they were right. People have become oversensitive and, if you want to see this issue writ large, you have no need to go further than your local gathering place of teenagers and college students, whether that be a school, a Starbucks, etc.

Now, in this particular case, I can't question the parties involved and the only "evidence" I have of anything (and, no, I'm not investigating further; I have EVOLVE wrestling to watch and that's more important to me) is a report from a wrestling news source (please note this is in no way an undervaluing of Prince Balor's fine work in finding all sorts of wrestling news that is, in its various ways, entertaining, endearing, and inscrutable) and the suppositions, justifications, etc., of a group of pro wrestling fans whose opinions on many topics I also find, in their various ways, entertaining, endearing, and inscrutable. Therefore, it is somewhat asinine for any of us to pass judgments on Konnan, this woman, or anybody else involved, as none of us is intimately involved in the matter. It's invented outrage, nothing more.

Now, where are the pics of Konnan in the bath? :gusta:

wk

 

[Stopspot]

I have to disagree with that. If I can objectively view the action, I can decide if overreaction occurred. This glorification of people's opinions on whether or not they've been wronged is at the heart of the problems of modern society. In earlier generations, a person could take immense personal offense at someone else's actions and much of society shrugged their shoulders and said, "It's not that big of a deal." And they were right. People have become oversensitive and, if you want to see this issue writ large, you have no need to go further than your local gathering place of teenagers and college students, whether that be a school, a Starbucks, etc.

Now, in this particular case, I can't question the parties involved and the only "evidence" I have of anything (and, no, I'm not investigating further; I have EVOLVE wrestling to watch and that's more important to me) is a report from a wrestling news source (please note this is in no way an undervaluing of Prince Balor's fine work in finding all sorts of wrestling news that is, in its various ways, entertaining, endearing, and inscrutable) and the suppositions, justifications, etc., of a group of pro wrestling fans whose opinions on many topics I also find, in their various ways, entertaining, endearing, and inscrutable. Therefore, it is somewhat asinine for any of us to pass judgments on Konnan, this woman, or anybody else involved, as none of us is intimately involved in the matter. It's invented outrage, nothing more.

Now, where are the pics of Konnan in the bath? :gusta:

wk

You can determine if overreaction happened from your perspective yes, but you cannot determine if she actually did overreact from her own frame of reference.

If one of the girls in the youth org came to me and said that she was uncomfortable/offended by how another member touched her and I'd say "well you're overreacting" I'd be fired faster than I could say banana. Until all the data is on the table your have to work from the "victims" frame of reference. Otherwise we start getting close to "well, maybe you shouldn't have worn such revealing clothing". No one who ends up in that form of position wants to feel that their situation is under valued or worse, that somehow it is their fault. Sadly this is something a lot of women are victim of ( @Majour can back me up on this) because in general of men with "old fashioned values".

Konnan's action could be completely innocent, but there is nothing to imply that they were, especially with the comment he felled after this woman spoke out against his actions.

 

[Wacokid27]

You can determine if overreaction happened from your perspective yes, but you cannot determine if she actually did overreact from her own frame of reference.

If one of the girls in the youth org came to me and said that she was uncomfortable/offended by how another member touched her and I'd say "well you're overreacting" I'd be fired faster than I could say banana. Until all the data is on the table your have to work from the "victims" frame of reference. Otherwise we start getting close to "well, maybe you shouldn't have worn such revealing clothing". No one who ends up in that form of position wants to feel that their situation is under valued or worse, that somehow it is their fault. Sadly this is something a lot of women are victim of ( @Majour can back me up on this) because in general of men with "old fashioned values".

Konnan's action could be completely innocent, but there is nothing to imply that they were, especially with the comment he felled after this woman spoke out against his actions.

I think we're going to have to agree to disagree on this one. I believe that a reasonable person can look at a situation and say, "So-and-so overreacted." I'm not saying this woman did, by the way. I'm just suggesting that maybe some of the immediate hate is a bit of an overreaction since we don't really have anything outside of the blurb above (unless someone has more evidence, which, again, I'm not really interested in, but that's just me) and none of us has a personal relationship with either of the parties involved to get to the bottom of what actually happened, was said, was spelled out, and was implied.

wk

 

[Trip in the Head]

Konnan been hanging out with Biden? lol

Spoiler

 

[Farooq]

Seems a bit silly for him to react like that. Some people just don't like to be touched, whether sensitive or not. There's a chance it could have been a friendly pat, or sexual pat, regardless since I'm not there, it seems unfair to place judgement on either of them. Could have been he did a sexual one, and she told him to back away and that's why he responded. Maybe it was a friendly one and she reacted nasty, or what he thought was nasty and thus gave his reaction. Again, it's not my place to judge, nor do I have anything to completely back up either scenario for sure. So I'll just say, "SHALAWASKA BINGO!!!" And leave.