John Cena speaks on turning heel

[the dark knight]

then his character must die

 

[Quintastic One]

I've seen numerous times throughout Rey Reys feuds with the giants like Big show and JBL that YES his kicks do hurt. Hell the guys got one of the stiffest kicks in all of Friday Nights, as when he kicks a guy like Jeff Hardy in the head you hear that shit all over the arena.



Also, when the Miz and John Morrison were tag teaming, they LOTS of effective offense on the upper carders like Shawn Michaels and Rey Mysterio.

So are you telling me that a punch from Miz can effectively send Shawn Michaels reeling, but a punch to John Cena has zero effect? By that logic Shawn Michaels is miles and miles below John Cena as a main eventer. Which would be bullshit.

But that's not your argument at all. Your argument is simply "I am extremely bias against The Miz therefore I'm gonna spout off fake statistics and keep quoting Rey Mysterio kicks in an effort to hide my horrible judgement in talent"

Ya know, despite countless "small" guys in the business being able to take out men bigger than them ala the david vs. goliath classic storyline in the first place. I think the funniest thing is that you are legitimately TRYING to assume that if a guy is a mere 1 inch taller and 10 pounds heavier that he should nosell all of his opponents offense.

That amount of ridiculous logic right there, discredits any and all argument you have.

 

[Kaedon]

Also, when the Miz and John Morrison were tag teaming, they LOTS of effective offense on the upper carders like Shawn Michaels and Rey Mysterio.

So are you telling me that a punch from Miz can effectively send Shawn Michaels reeling, but a punch to John Cena has zero effect? By that logic Shawn Michaels is miles and miles below John Cena as a main eventer. Which would be bullshit.

Well John Cena is at least 30 to 40 lb heavier than HBK and almost 100 heavier than Rey, so card position has dick to do with it.

But that's not your argument at all. Your argument is simply "I am extremely bias against The Miz therefore I'm gonna spout off fake statistics and keep quoting Rey Mysterio kicks in an effort to hide my horrible judgment in talent"

My argument is if a guy who weighs 60 lbs or so less than another guy, the big man SHOULDNT crumble and cry at the small dudes punch.

Ya know, despite countless "small" guys in the business being able to take out men bigger than them ala the david vs. goliath classic storyline in the first place. I think the funniest thing is that you are legitimately TRYING to assume that if a guy is a mere 1 inch taller and 10 pounds heavier that he should nosell all of his opponents offense.

That amount of ridiculous logic right there, discredits any and all argument you have.

Yeah when David kicked Goliath in the shin, im pretty sure Goliath cried out in agony....

 

[The Rated R CMStar]

My argument is if a guy who weighs 60 lbs or so less than another guy, the big man SHOULDNT crumble and cry at the small dudes punch.

John Cena: 6ft 1, 240 lb

The Miz: 6ft 1, 231 lb

 

[Kaedon]

The Miz does NOT weigh 231, 210 tops and of Cena weighs 250 at least. And Cena is 6ft1in? Haahahahaha, i guess that means Edge and HHH are 6ft2in


Edit: Oh yeah, you're using that bastion of truth Wikipedia, the same site that reported that Dave Meltzter was saying Benoit's father was dead when he really killed himself and his family. That's credibility. OWW does nothing BUT keep track of wrestling, so they are more credible, just because YOU and everyone else who has a dick up their ass about Cena "destroying the credibility of the Miz" (Not like he had any anyway) dont want to believe them doesnt make them wrong

 

[seX-Power]

The WWE have been known to lie about height/weight anyway, there was a report last year where they billed Cryme Tyme about 4in taller than they are, and on purpose.

 

[The Rated R CMStar]

Oh yeah, you're using that bastion of truth Wikipedia, the same site that reported that Dave Meltzter was saying Benoit's father was dead when he really killed himself and his family. That's credibility. OWW does nothing BUT keep track of wrestling, so they are more credible, just because YOU and everyone else who has a dick up their ass about Cena "destroying the credibility of the Miz" (Not like he had any anyway) dont want to believe them doesnt make them wrong

I am using WWE itself. Check WWE.com

 

[Kaedon]

They're working it. Do you think Big Show is 7ft 485 too? There is no way that scrawny little bitch weighs more than 210. It also says Rey weighs 165, which is a joke, and that Morrison weighs 220. There is no way in hell Miz weighs MORE than Morrison, its all hyped bullshit. There is a difference between billed weight and what they look like and ACTUAL weight.

 

[CenaMark54]

His character is

That makes absolutely no sense. How can a character "no sell"? If he is booked to show intolerance to pain and Cena goes out and shakes off everything thrown at him then he is selling the way the match makers are telling him to.

 

[CenaMark54]

So are you telling me that a punch from Miz can effectively send Shawn Michaels reeling, but a punch to John Cena has zero effect? By that logic Shawn Michaels is miles and miles below John Cena as a main eventer. Which would be bullshit.

Its not bullshit when you consider that Shawn Michaels and John Cena play different characters. There are different rules that apply to different characters. I don't know what is so hard to understand.

 

[The Rated R CMStar]

That makes absolutely no sense. How can a character "no sell"? If he is booked to show intolerance to pain and Cena goes out and shakes off everything thrown at him then he is selling the way the match makers are telling him to.

Oh come on. John Cena is booked all the time to no sell the punishment he receives, or don't you remember him being able to simply walk out after what Big Show did to him at Backlash, get destroyed at the Raw before Judgment Day and then wrestle that match as if he wasn't even hurt? Mania 23 comes to mind also, in which he manages to shrug off the pain in his leg and get the win. There are thousands more of examples.

You responsablizing the bookers...of course the bookers are the one responsible, hence me saying Cena's CHARACTER is the one not selling. But him going out there and walking out from getting thrown into an exploding stage light is not selling the move.


EDIT:

Miz clearly weights more than Morrison. And Big Show is in fact 7ft and 485. Same goes for Rey, I don't know what you are talking about Kaedon.

 

[Quintastic One]

Not to mention Rey Mysterio having victories over guys like Kane, Big Show, JBL, Mike Knox, ect. ect.

Not to mention Spike Dudley having victories over much bigger men than himself earning the nickname briefly in WWE as "The Giant Killer".

Not to mention Evan Bourne having victories over guys like Mark Henry and Bam Neely.

Not to mention Chavo Guerrero having victories over JBL

Not to mention Gregory Helms having victories over Rosie, MVP, and had an entire gimmick at one point of being able to Chokeslam guys heavier than him.

And these are all just a few examples of WWE EXCLUSIVE BOOKING. So I could avoid you saying "Well those examples were in another promotion so they don't count towards WWE Creative decisions".

Seriously, your argument is so much shit its starting to become embarassing for you. You just hate Miz, and can't admit the fact that WWE Creative had John Cena completely squash an up and coming star.

You just want the next 5 years to have Triple H Vs. Orton and John Cena Vs. Edge for the rest of eternity while no other upper carders get a chance to shine because "they arn't established"

Well excuse me Kaedon, but how the FUCK is a guy supposed to get established if he can't get a clean fucking win over any upper carders in the WWE?

 

[NinoBrown]

Rey Mysterio is 150 tops! Big Show is 460-475. Wasn't there a story that JTG was the same height as Cena which is like 6 foot?

Miz does look heavier than Morrison but he's no 230. Edge is billed at 250, Where the fuck on Edge is 250? Everyone cept the Divas are over hyped in wrestling especially the big men. Kurt Angle is billed at 6'1 in TNA, last time I checked he was shorter than Jericho.

 

[Kaedon]

Well excuse me Kaedon, but how the FUCK is a guy supposed to get established if he can't get a clean fucking win over any upper carders in the WWE?

How about by getting a month of uncontested heat....

 

[The Rated R CMStar]

How about by getting a month of uncontested heat....

To then get squashed and sent back to midcard.