Since he won the World Title, Jack Swagger has lost to Randy Orton, The Undertaker and John Morrison. Is this any kind of booking for a newly crowned champion? It leads me to suspect that Swagger is just a paper champion, losing the title upon the first credible challenge. With Randy Orton blossoming into an enormous face, could it be Swagger loses the title after less than a month?
Is Swagger A Transitional Champion?
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For whatever reason Swagger has been jobbed leading to the PPV, and chances are, he'll retain. The logic is when the belt is on the line, he does what it takes (hence him winning the triple threat title match on Smackdown recently), while not caring if he suffers a loss in a regular match as it keeps him safe and the title stays with him. It's another Rey title reign, the guy is made to look like a fucking joke yet is able to retain the title when it's on the line. That's not how you make a credible champion, but that's just me.
Then again I hope he becomes a transitional champion.
Then again I hope he becomes a transitional champion.
I agree that Swagger should be better treated. It's no way to push a new champion, I agree. I reckon his real push will happen after the draft, and WWE sort themselves out again.
What sense does that make? It's not like he's going the route of bailing out of the match, getting counted out or DQ'ed. Every match he's lost has been completely clean.
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^^ I think he meant he wouldn't put in as much effort. Look at how he win's his title defenses, pulling Edge/Jericho out of the ring, and picking up their pieces, cashing in MITB on a destroyed Y2J. It's not like he's really been doing what he has to do talent-wise. He's just been oppurtunistic, and capitalizing. The losses are to show that Swagger, despite being the face of SD!, isn't still at a champion's level of talent. He's still young, and not as good as some of the older guys, but he takes oppurtunities, and that's what's been getting him by.
I've said it a bunch of times, but I would LOVE for Swagger to be long-term, and him turn Face wanting to prove to the world that he is a real champion, leading to rematches with Undertaker, Randy, and JoMo, but dropping the belt to the young JoMo who can bump up to ME status briefly in the Summer to entertain the crowd meanwhile HHH-Cena-Tista-Taker are gone.
I've said it a bunch of times, but I would LOVE for Swagger to be long-term, and him turn Face wanting to prove to the world that he is a real champion, leading to rematches with Undertaker, Randy, and JoMo, but dropping the belt to the young JoMo who can bump up to ME status briefly in the Summer to entertain the crowd meanwhile HHH-Cena-Tista-Taker are gone.
It doesn't, but that's the WWE for you and that's how they're booking him. It's the same way they booked Rey a few years back. While it doesn't make sense because he's not taking the powder to lose, it does make sense when you compare it to a person tapping out in a submission move instead of trying to escape. Basically, Swagger is living to fight another day in non title matchs, but in title matches he's willing to do whatever it takes to keep the belt.
Swagger is the biggest definition of transitional champ we have ever seen.
Lets face the facts here.
1. Orton turned and became one of the top two faces in the WWE.
2. They didn't want the top two faces on the same show. Since Cena isn't going anywhere, Orton will be moving to SD.
3. Since Orton is so hot right now, they want him gunning for the top title.
4. The didn;t want to blow their load with Orton vs Jericho just yet.
5. They didn't want Orton and Edge (their newly crowned faces) going up against each other.
6. In steps Swagger, who will be the sacrificial lamb for Orton.
I just don't see anyway Swagger comes out of Extreme Rules in one piece.
Lets face the facts here.
1. Orton turned and became one of the top two faces in the WWE.
2. They didn't want the top two faces on the same show. Since Cena isn't going anywhere, Orton will be moving to SD.
3. Since Orton is so hot right now, they want him gunning for the top title.
4. The didn;t want to blow their load with Orton vs Jericho just yet.
5. They didn't want Orton and Edge (their newly crowned faces) going up against each other.
6. In steps Swagger, who will be the sacrificial lamb for Orton.
I just don't see anyway Swagger comes out of Extreme Rules in one piece.
I just don't see anyway Swagger comes out of Extreme Rules in one piece.
Unless Orton goes to SD in the draft (As you mentioned), and they decide to have Swagger retain and keep their feud going for a couple more months.
Unless Orton goes to SD in the draft (As you mentioned), and they decide to have Swagger retain and keep their feud going for a couple more months.
That seems the more logical thing to do. It's always more interesting for the face to chase the title. No one is going to buy Swagger chasing Orton for a title after he suffered three losses in a row to him.
I think swagger will lose tonight cash in his rematch on smackdown and loses. Then he goes onto a feud with Kane on smackdown. Orton will feud with Punk for the title. That is what i thin will happen tonight onwards.
^Where the hell does Kane come from?
No to your entire post. Punk, coming off with a feud with Rey isn't surpassing Jericho and Edge (yes they are still in the title picture because this Orton match was random as hell) to feud with Orton.
No to your entire post. Punk, coming off with a feud with Rey isn't surpassing Jericho and Edge (yes they are still in the title picture because this Orton match was random as hell) to feud with Orton.
Yes, he will be a transitional paper champion. They're taking the Chris Jericho gets HUMILIATED and BURIED by HHH repeatedly back in 2002 storyline, isn't that obvious?
I do think Orton will win tonight but I still won't consider Swagger a transitional champion, for me a transitional champion is someone who has a title reign with no long-term reasoning or impact that loses the title quite early on and to someone just coz they are in need of gold. Swagger's reign has so much more meaning, his reign is about making him a credible champ in the future and push him up to the top. His reign is not about giving the title to Randy.
You don't make someone a credible champ in the future by giving them the belt now and jobbing them out right away.
Look at Orton in 2004. It took him years to recover from that type of booking.