Is Brock as champ really a good thing?

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This begs a question I've had for sometime. When does a rematch clause expire? Cena had a rematch clause with Bryan, but putting Bryan over was the sole purpose of that match.
Hulk Hogan never got his rematch with Warrior, did he? Once Bryan regains the championship the rematch will be revisited, not because of the clause, but out of respect.
The Rock still has a rematch clause with Cena, does he not? This is all empty rhetoric because rematch clauses seem only to occur out of convenience.

If Lesnar lies down, Rollins may end up holding the title until the Empire has an angle written that would allow Bryan, Reigns, Lesnar and Cena to be heavily featured at Wrestlemania.

They really lack consistency when it comes to rules. The rematch clause is an example as it's something that they choose to invoke or not depending on whether it fits the current angle to do so. The Rock will never get his rematch (if he ever challenged for the championship again, he would be granted a shot just because he's The Rock, not necessarily because he is still owed a rematch), Bryan will no doubt have to earn a rematch when he returns, etc. Strangely, The Miz wasn't even granted a rematch after losing the championship to Cena at Extreme Rules 2011. Logically, one should have been granted to him immediately but he had to go and win a triple-threat against Mysterio and Del Rio on Raw just to earn a shot against Cena at Over The Limit:

 

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They really lack consistency when it comes to rules. The rematch clause is an example as it's something that they choose to invoke or not depending on whether it fits the current angle to do so. The Rock will never get his rematch (if he ever challenged for the championship again, he would be granted a shot just because he's The Rock, not necessarily because he is still owed a rematch), Bryan will no doubt have to earn a rematch when he returns, etc. Strangely, The Miz wasn't even granted a rematch after losing the championship to Cena at Extreme Rules 2011. Logically, one should have been granted to him immediately but he had to go and win a triple-threat against Mysterio and Del Rio on Raw just to earn a shot against Cena at Over The Limit:


Plus, it would make Cena look like a d*** if he ever orally invoked a rematch clause on air to Bryan.
Vince likes a white meat babyface and cats like that don't get grimy with a rematch clause.
It isn't consistent, however, because a left-wing babyface like Orton probably would invoke a rematch clause almost immediately.
 

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They really lack consistency when it comes to rules. The rematch clause is an example as it's something that they choose to invoke or not depending on whether it fits the current angle to do so. The Rock will never get his rematch (if he ever challenged for the championship again, he would be granted a shot just because he's The Rock, not necessarily because he is still owed a rematch), Bryan will no doubt have to earn a rematch when he returns, etc. Strangely, The Miz wasn't even granted a rematch after losing the championship to Cena at Extreme Rules 2011. Logically, one should have been granted to him immediately but he had to go and win a triple-threat against Mysterio and Del Rio on Raw just to earn a shot against Cena at Over The Limit:



Didn't the Miz did get his championship rematch on Raw? Riley got the ref, Miz hit Cena with the belt to lay him out, hid the belt and pin him for the 1-2-3. Ref raised the left hand and the proud Riley raised up the right hand and revealed that the Miz was holding the title and the ref reversed the decision.

(I'm getting the timeline right here, right? Maybe that was after Over the Limit?)

Anyway, I slightly like the idea of "Cena barely escapes the cage with his life, maybe his feet touch the floor right before Brock" as it seems like a good way out, but Cena going over Brock in any way shape or form will just anger so many people at a time when they really should be doing the opposite...

It seems like the only good way out of this without Brock losing is what Leo C said, which makes the OP perfectly right. Does create a lot of intrigue for how this all will go down, however. :)
 

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Didn't the Miz did get his championship rematch on Raw? Riley got the ref, Miz hit Cena with the belt to lay him out, hid the belt and pin him for the 1-2-3. Ref raised the left hand and the proud Riley raised up the right hand and revealed that the Miz was holding the title and the ref reversed the decision.

(I'm getting the timeline right here, right? Maybe that was after Over the Limit?)

Anyway, I slightly like the idea of "Cena barely escapes the cage with his life, maybe his feet touch the floor right before Brock" as it seems like a good way out, but Cena going over Brock in any way shape or form will just anger so many people at a time when they really should be doing the opposite...

It seems like the only good way out of this without Brock losing is what Leo C said, which makes the OP perfectly right. Does create a lot of intrigue for how this all will go down, however. :)

I'm pretty sure that was the next night on Raw. He blamed Alex Riley for the loss in the way you described, which lead to the Riley face turn and their match at Capital Punishment.

I agree that Lesnar shouldn't be losing in any way, even via Cena escaping the cage. Putting the championship on Lesnar just so he can put over Cena the next month (even in an ending that avoids him taking a pinfall loss) is rather pointless. Really, the perfect way out of Lesnar holding the championship for a long period of time would have been a babyface cashing in their MITB contract on him, but unfortunately, a heel is currently in possession of the briefcase. Not that I'm suggesting Rollins shouldn't have won the briefcase, just saying. As predictable as it may have been, imagine Cesaro remained face after Wrestlemania (or rather, made the official turn afterwards), won the briefcase and then cashed in on Lesnar to become champion. Or imagine he did align himself with Paul Heyman but betrayed him by cashing in on Brock. I doubt they would have gone that route since all of their focus is on building Reigns as the next big superstar, but still, it's an idea.
 

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If Lesnar is Plan C, then maybe that plan is he beats Cena to a pulp. Gets a DQ for Rollins to take the easy cash in?
 

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Him actually mentioning he came back to be WWEWHC apparently was a cascade.
Lesnar, the mastermind that he is, concocted his interview to goad fans into believing he intended to run with the strap.
 

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have lesnar drop it to orton

simple as that
 

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Most of us are in agreement that Brock will walk out of SummerSlam with the championship. However, is that really what's best for business? Brock has a limited amount of dates. If they want him to remain champion until the Royal Rumble, or even Survivor Series, how often will he be able to appear on RAW? It irked everyone, and rightfully so, when the Rock was champ and either appeared via satellite or not at all. Will we just get Paul Heyman hype jobs every Monday without seeing the champion at all until a week or two before a PPV? Brock is a great name to have as champion and brings legitimacy to the WWE like pretty much no other man can, I just don't know if having a champion who won't be around much is such a great idea.
As a television viewer, it would be no different than Harley Race or Ric Flair as NWA Champion. You would see them wrestle (on tv) every few months. Other than that, you get video packages or taped interviews.
 

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What kind of business would Brock do as WWEWHC?
If revenue goes up during his reign keep the strap on him
Do not decide the winner at NoC until the night of NoC
 

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As a television viewer, it would be no different than Harley Race or Ric Flair as NWA Champion. You would see them wrestle (on tv) every few months. Other than that, you get video packages or taped interviews.

Different eras, I'm in Favour of making the champ on TV a big deal but most are used to them being there every week.
 

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I'm actually excited to see how his reign will end. I want to know who will take him down. I'm excited to see it play out.
 

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It might make things more interesting and force WWE to get creative with the storylines. Plus with time between matches it will make a defence seem more like an event, rather than oh a PPV oh a WWEWHC title match an oh Cena won.
 

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My name is Paul Heyman is the tag lol fail boo shit piss no.

I'm down for Bork being champ, shit has he been on the last few weeks RAW? I'd watch for Paul E Heyman.