In Regards To Seth Adopting 'The Pedigree' As His Finisher...

[edge4ever]

OH SHIT KOFI KINGSTON!?

Example, and you still haven't named one of seths on his own.

 

[edge4ever]

Rollins' booking may leave a little to be desired, but you can't say he hasn't been masterfully written for the most part as well. He was one-third of the dominant stable in WWE history (in terms of impressive booking as far as win-loss record and clean victories are concerned) and after only two and a half years on the roster, he's already a WWE Champion, former Tag Team Champion, and Money In The Bank winner, and the whole show has revolved almost entirely around him for nearly a year now.

Not that I'm here to argue that Randy Orton is infinitely better or more talented than Seth or anything, but I don't believe there's any real objective criticism you can level at him that can't be applied to Rollins as well. Likewise, I don't think there's any real praise you can give to Rollins that can't also be accredited to Orton, too. As an example, one of the most common criticisms that you hear about Orton is that he has a bland, almost robotic way of delivering promos, but in all fairness, the deep, monotonous sounding voice that he was born with and can't really help having is largely to blame for that. Seth is no different. He has this really high-pitched voice that is aggravating and far from the riveting or interesting voice to hear either. Both guys are very good at articulating the dialogue of their promos, I find, but the sound and timbre of their voices really hold them back in ways.

I thought we were discussing Rollins being masterfully written as a singles competitor?...I mean we all know the ENTIRE shield was done well, but the argument, to my knowledge, is that Rollins is a bitch since being in his own. In every fashion and storyline. You cant argue that they've built him up... Well, true, but how they did it is vital. It can determine whether someone ultimately looks weak or not.

Just because WWE decided to center the show on him for a year, doesn't mean the storyline and writing was done well with him... If it was, we wouldn't be calling him a bitch now. Rollins has been done right in every fashion except for being in singles competition. WWE is taking some really talented heel and making him look like he really belongs back on NXT (no offense to NXT).

 

[The GOAT]

I thought we were discussing Rollins being masterfully written as a singles competitor?...I mean we all know the ENTIRE shield was done well, but the argument, to my knowledge, is that Rollins is a bitch since being in his own. In every fashion and storyline. You cant argue that they've built him up... Well, true, but how they did it is vital. It can determine whether someone ultimately looks weak or not.

Just because WWE decided to center the show on him for a year, doesn't mean the storyline and writing was done well with him... If it was, we wouldn't be calling him a bitch now. Rollins has been done right in every fashion except for being in singles competition. WWE is taking some really talented heel and making him look like he really belongs back on NXT (no offense to NXT).

My original post in the argument two responses ago was comparing Rollins and Orton when they first started out and how much they relied on HHH as far as their initial singles pushes went.

In regards to Rollins being made to look like a bitch, I think people are making way too big of a fuss over it. If I were to complain, I'd simply complain that Rollins is booked to rely too heavily on the help of others instead of just being able to cheat and play dirty entirely on his own, but otherwise, what heels haven't shown cowardice or chickenshit tendencies at some point? I know they have him go overboard with it, but he more often than not does at least put on strong performances against his opponents before resorting to cheap tactics. (To clarify, I'm not entirely disagreeing, just saying that Seth is supposed to look somewhat like a bitch. His character is that of an arrogant and undeserving world champion, so it's of no surprise that he often has to resort to nefarious tactics to win. I just wish he would usually do the cheating himself instead of always having to rely on others to do it for him.)

 

[Red Rain]

As an example, one of the most common criticisms that you hear about Orton is that he has a bland, almost robotic way of delivering promos, but in all fairness, the deep, monotonous sounding voice that he was born with and can't really help having is largely to blame for that.

Though you are correct, it would be hypocritical for me to criticize him for that. I, too, speak in a monotonous voice because its illogical to speak with inflections. I'm a male and my emotions are of less consequence.
When Orton first began (and this is a moot point, actually) he was more motivated and excited. His mannerisms, prior to being jaded, spoke of a bright future. He got bored, though, and I would too.
Rollins and Orton have walked nearly opposing paths on their way up the ladder. If I'm comparing 2003-04 Orton to 2013-14 Rollins, Rollins seems more eager and more enthused and thus feels more to prove.

I thought we were discussing Rollins being masterfully written as a singles competitor?...I mean we all know the ENTIRE shield was done well, but the argument, to my knowledge, is that Rollins is a bitch since being in his own. In every fashion and storyline. You cant argue that they've built him up... Well, true, but how they did it is vital. It can determine whether someone ultimately looks weak or not.

Just because WWE decided to center the show on him for a year, doesn't mean the storyline and writing was done well with him... If it was, we wouldn't be calling him a bitch now. Rollins has been done right in every fashion except for being in singles competition. WWE is taking some really talented heel and making him look like he really belongs back on NXT (no offense to NXT).

Great point, but, to be fair I wasn't really referring to the Shield faction. The Shield faction was designed to put all three men on some sort of equal footing coming out of the starting gate.
Evolution and the Authority were designed with the intention of forming Orton and Rollins (respectfully) into major players in the main event scene.
I can't dispute your point but it wasn't the argument I presented to Lockard.

My original post in the argument two responses ago was comparing Rollins and Orton when they first started out and how much they relied on HHH as far as their initial singles pushes went.

In regards to Rollins being made to look like a bitch, I think people are making way too big of a fuss over it. If I were to complain, I'd simply complain that Rollins is booked to rely too heavily on the help of others instead of just being able to cheat and play dirty entirely on his own, but otherwise, what heels haven't shown cowardice or chickenshit tendencies at some point? I know they have him go overboard with it, but he more often than not does at least put on strong performances against his opponents before resorting to cheap tactics. (To clarify, I'm not entirely disagreeing, just saying that Seth is supposed to look somewhat like a bitch. His character is that of an arrogant and undeserving world champion, so it's of no surprise that he often has to resort to nefarious tactics to win. I just wish he would usually do the cheating himself instead of always having to rely on others to do it for him.)

J&J security is my biggest peeve. Their purpose seems too contrived as if to say, 'Guys, let's put two vanilla midgets out there protecting Seth Rollins... that's real heat'.
JBL was an impeccable champion. He did everything a heel did and then just a little bit more. With Rollins, they are trying a wee bit too hard.
Rollins is a 28-29 year old man who can be chickensh*t on his own merit. If he were to suddenly (kayfabe) ditch J&J, it would obviously be seed planting for a face turn (which is not good).

HHH is babying Rollins. I don't blame Rollins for any of this. Rollins just seems capable of far more, but either WWE is over-controlling or overprotecting because Rollins isn't the natural heel he's being made out to be.

 

[Green Jesus]

What the fuck happened to the topic?

Anyway, I would be happy enough if/ when rollins get rid of the pedigree and turns face he does something from the top-rope as his finisher(doesn't need to be flippy, maybe a frog splash?). It really isn't a mind-blowing idea, but I sincerely can't think of a finisher that would fit baby-face rollins that much. Some sort of kick would be cool, but I'm not aware of one that's both cool and not being used by someone else. I would be mad at dolph for using the superkick as a regular move, but Seth Rollins would get a hard time and be acused of trying too hard to be shawn michaels anyways. But I digress

I love the curbstomp, but I simply can't see a babyface stomping people's head to the ground in a regular basis unless it's a psychotic kind of gimmick.

 

[Prince Bálor]

Some sort of kick would be cool, but I'm not aware of one that's both cool and not being used by someone else.

Dude, a Turnbuckle Powerbomb followed by a Superkick would be sweet. (That's if they don't bring the Curb Stomp back once he turns face)

 

[Green Jesus]

Dude, a Turnbuckle Powerbomb followed by a Superkick would be sweet. (That's if they don't bring the Curb Stomp back once he turns face)

Yeah, I was thinking of something along these lines, but for that to happen Dolph would have to stop using it like it's a jobber move.

 

[Farooq]

Seth's finisher could be this cool move called the Crossface. Heard it's killer.

 

[Prince Bálor]

Seth's finisher could be this cool move called the Crossface. Heard it's killer.

Pun intended?

 

[C.M. Shaddix]

I really want the curb stomp back, Rollins with the pedigree expresses him as the next Triple H, when he turns face he should bring back the curb stomp.