Impossible WWE Standard

[MikeRaw]

^Maybe you should follow the argument before you read, then. My point was that, the original poster was complaining about how everyone who is a main eventer is so big, and guys like Kofi, and Bourne, and Kendrick types can't become main eventers because of that. So I responded by saying that it's not as if Cena took steroids, or any unfair advantage that those guys don't have access too, and that if Vince is so in love with big guys, like the original poster claimed, then there's nothing stopping those guys from getting big themselves, just by working out like crazy, like Cena did. But that's all non-important anyway, seeing as the whole argument about Vince only liking big guys is stupid. The only reason guys like Kofi, Bourne, and Kendrick won't be main eventers is because they can't tell a story, or captivate an audience. Nothing to do with size.
BTW, next time, read yourself. You always expect people to recap for you. If you don't wanna look like an idiot, simply read the thread, and you'll get it. I see you do this all the time.

 

[the dark knight]

^Maybe you should follow the argument before you read, then. My point was that, the original poster was complaining about how everyone who is a main eventer is so big, and guys like Kofi, and Bourne, and Kendrick types can't become main eventers because of that. So I responded by saying that it's not as if Cena took steroids, or any unfair advantage that those guys don't have access too, and that if Vince is so in love with big guys, like the original poster claimed, then there's nothing stopping those guys from getting big themselves, just by working out like crazy, like Cena did. But that's all non-important anyway, seeing as the whole argument about Vince only liking big guys is stupid. The only reason guys like Kofi, Bourne, and Kendrick won't be main eventers is because they can't tell a story, or captivate an audience. Nothing to do with size.
BTW, next time, read yourself. You always expect people to recap for you. If you don't wanna look like an idiot, simply read the thread, and you'll get it. I see you do this all the time.

uh, you've added nothing. it doesn't fucking matter whether he used roids or not, why bring it up? if the guy's big he's big, its not a question of how he got that big.

oh and my own bit about vince not pushing bourne and kendrick cuz theyre not big enough, i would kiss the guy if he was doing that. he's 100% right.

 

[the dark knight]

seriously, can you picture hornswoggle a WHC even if he can stell a story and talk on the mic, etc?

 

[MikeRaw]

uh, you've added nothing. it doesn't fucking matter whether he used roids or not, why bring it up? if the guy's big he's big, its not a question of how he got that big.

Fuckin' moron. Go back and look at the posts. In order. When I said that, I was responding to Next Big Thing, not the original poster. Therefore, it wouldn't matter if I added nothing to the original argument, because I wasn't intending to. I was responding to another part, and if yo have a problem with that, talk to NBT for bringing it up in the first place. Although if you have a problem with it, you obviously have deeper "problems" as this is a discussion forum. Besides, it actually did have something to do with the topic. I was making a point, saying those guys who supposedly aren't getting pushed, just cause they're small (which isn't true, anyway), have every oppurtunity to go and get big, just like Cena did, and not have to use steroids. If they actually felt that their size was the reason they aren't getting pushed, all they have to do is train, and although their natural body size won't allow them to get as big as Cena, they could get bigger than they are now, and therefore, it's not as if the big guys have any unfair advantage. Thus, it was on topic.

 

[the dark knight]

Fuckin' moron. Go back and look at the posts. In order. When I said that, I was responding to Next Big Thing, not the original poster. Therefore, it wouldn't matter if I added nothing to the original argument, because I wasn't intending to. I was responding to another part, and if yo have a problem with that, talk to NBT for bringing it up in the first place. Although if you have a problem with it, you obviously have deeper "problems" as this is a discussion forum. Besides, it actually did have something to do with the topic. I was making a point, saying those guys who supposedly aren't getting pushed, just cause they're small (which isn't true, anyway), have every oppurtunity to go and get big, just like Cena did, and not have to use steroids. If they actually felt that their size was the reason they aren't getting pushed, all they have to do is train, and although their natural body size won't allow them to get as big as Cena, they could get bigger than they are now, and therefore, it's not as if the big guys have any unfair advantage. Thus, it was on topic.

ok well

Umm.. do you know what John Cena looks like? Cena is just as big as Batista, if not bigger. Batista just looks a lot bigger because he's 6'6 and Cena is 6'1. Look at Cena's arms though. The man is massive.

where's the part where he talks about HOW they got big?

oh and that point you made is invalid because someone like mysterio can work out or roid up as much as he wants to and still not be as "big" as guys like batista, lesnar, goldberg or triple h.

 

[Soulpower]

Batista hasn't held a title in a long ass time.

True, but it doesn't change the fact that he's in the title picture about 100% of the time.

 

[MikeRaw]

where's the part where he talks about HOW they got big?

oh and that point you made is invalid because someone like mysterio can work out or roid up as much as he wants to and still not be as "big" as guys like batista, lesnar, goldberg or triple h.

He didn't. I took it upon myself to point out that Cena didn't get big through steroids, and that he wasn't this big before, and that he's only like 6'1, so he's not exactly super-tall. He just worked out like crazy, and got huge.
It was just a little side-note, but leave it to you to turn the whole thread into a discussion about it. The thread isn't even about how Cena got big and all that. NBT just made a point, so I quickly responded to him, and moved on. If it wasn't for you, that part of this thread would've been long forgotten, as the non-important little post that it was. What's strange in this all, is that you haven't even made your opinion on the subject all that clear. I'm guessing, from the little bits of info I picked up from you, that you like the big guys (like I do) correct? Now do you actually think Vince favours the huge guys, or not?

 

[the dark knight]

He didn't. I took it upon myself to point out that Cena didn't get big through steroids, and that he wasn't this big before, and that he's only like 6'1, so he's not exactly super-tall. He just worked out like crazy, and got huge.
It was just a little side-note, but leave it to you to turn the whole thread into a discussion about it. The thread isn't even about how Cena got big and all that. NBT just made a point, so I quickly responded to him, and moved on. If it wasn't for you, that part of this thread would've been long forgotten, as the non-important little post that it was. What's strange in this all, is that you haven't even made your opinion on the subject all that clear. I'm guessing, from the little bits of info I picked up from you, that you like the big guys (like I do) correct? Now do you actually think Vince favours the huge guys, or not?

well yea, you took it upon yourself to bring it up...and i just wanted to know WHY. it seemed so irrelevant i thought i might have missed something.

as for my opinion, didn't really make it clear cuz im too lazy and cuz ive talked about it in the past before. i dont LIKE big guys (at least not for that reason) but i find them more credible than smaller guys when it comes to world titles. like i said, can you picture hornswoggle a champion no matter how good he is? it was pathetic enough giving him the CW title, how's it gonna look if it was the WWE title?

 

[noumenon]

Bottom line to this arugument... if you want to make wrestling at realistic as possible, it's got to be the big men that dominate.
If Triple H and Jeff Hardy were to get into a brawl...who would you put your money on? (providing Jeff isn't on anything at the moment)
Realistically, guys like Cena, Triple H, Batista, and Orton all have very out of the ordinary physiques. I work out every day and do physical training and I'm only about the size of Jericho.
There aren't many superstars left with the size and muscle like that so they'll have no choice but to push some smaller guys. Not everyone has the potential to get that big (muscle wise). But all I'm saying is that if you're going for realism that guys with the crazy physiques should most likely be the dominating ones.

 

[UndertakerTheGreat]

^Maybe you should follow the argument before you read, then. My point was that, the original poster was complaining about how everyone who is a main eventer is so big, and guys like Kofi, and Bourne, and Kendrick types can't become main eventers because of that. So I responded by saying that it's not as if Cena took steroids, or any unfair advantage that those guys don't have access too, and that if Vince is so in love with big guys, like the original poster claimed, then there's nothing stopping those guys from getting big themselves, just by working out like crazy, like Cena did. But that's all non-important anyway, seeing as the whole argument about Vince only liking big guys is stupid. The only reason guys like Kofi, Bourne, and Kendrick won't be main eventers is because they can't tell a story, or captivate an audience. Nothing to do with size.
BTW, next time, read yourself. You always expect people to recap for you. If you don't wanna look like an idiot, simply read the thread, and you'll get it. I see you do this all the time.

I don't ever recall using the word steroids in my OP, or anywhere thereafter. I accused these guys of nothing like that. I'm just saying Vince likes the bodybuilders. Maybe things are changing, but it is what it is, or was what it was. I don't know how these guys got big, and really I don't care how they did ,that wasn't my concern. My concern was about what Steph wants to do, and what the WWE's image puts forth. Maybe Vince is slowly passing the reigns to the kids, and the weather is changing. I'm all for it. I was just wondering how it was gonna work in terms of how things have been recently. And by the by Taker didn't have short title reigns solely on injuries alone...Vince said himself "That Taker makes a better challenger than a champion." You can call me a misinformed jackass all you want, but I saw the quotes on numerous newsites about Vince's ideal, and what he said about Taker.

 

[MikeRaw]

I don't ever recall using the word steroids in my OP, or anywhere thereafter. I accused these guys of nothing like that. I'm just saying Vince likes the bodybuilders. Maybe things are changing, but it is what it is, or was what it was. I don't know how these guys got big, and really I don't care how they did ,that wasn't my concern. My concern was about what Steph wants to do, and what the WWE's image puts forth. Maybe Vince is slowly passing the reigns to the kids, and the weather is changing. I'm all for it. I was just wondering how it was gonna work in terms of how things have been recently. And by the by Taker didn't have short title reigns solely on injuries alone...Vince said himself "That Taker makes a better challenger than a champion." You can call me a misinformed jackass all you want, but I saw the quotes on numerous newsites about Vince's ideal, and what he said about Taker.

Exactly. You jumped to a huge conclusion. You just assumed that Vince won't let any of these guys get pushed, just because they're not massive. You just assumed that Vince will onyl want to push guys that are huge and bulging. I think it was just a bad assumption on your part. Sure, he'll probably never want guys like Bourne and Kofi pushed to the main event, but who can blame him? They just don't look or act like main event guys. But he doesn't seem to have a problem pushing guys like CM Punk, Jeff Hardy, Edge, Christian, and Orton to the main event, and none of them are huge guys. That just proves my point. I just don't see this thing you're talking about. Some of the biggest, most massive guys in history have been the least sucessful. My point is just that I think the whole notion that Vince only likes guys who are 6'5 and full of muscle is wrong. I don't see that at all. Therefore, I don't see the issue you're talking about as an issue, and I don't think Vince would stand in the way of any non-Batista sized guys being pushed, because he never really has. In the past, guys like Shawn Michaels, Taker, Bret Hart, Mr.Perfect, Ricky Steamboat, Steve Austin, The Rock, Chris Jericho, and others, and guys today like Jeff Hardy, CM Punk, Edge, Rey Mysterio, and Randy Orton, have all become main eventers, without beign massive. I just don't see it as an issue.

 

[The Rated R CMStar]

Taker didn't have short title reigns solely on injuries alone...Vince said himself "That Taker makes a better challenger than a champion."

That has a little to do more with his character than anything, and since you want to base your opinion on rumors, Taker was supposed to take both his title reigns on 2007 and 2008 further from Summerslam.

 

[UndertakerTheGreat]

That has a little to do more with his character than anything, and since you want to base your opinion on rumors, Taker was supposed to take both his title reigns on 2007 and 2008 further from Summerslam.

But did he? Nope. Rumors may be rumors, but facts are facts. He didn't. I believe 2007 WAS due to injury, but the one in 2008 was supposedly because of Vince's comment. Remember he was stripped right after Backlash , and suspiciously after what Vince said. It is what it is. I hate it because Taker's my favorite , and I don't think he gets nearly the credit he deserves(he could outwrestle Cena,or Batista even on his worst day)...but I'm not the boss of things.

 

[The Rated R CMStar]

But did he? Nope. Rumors may be rumors, but facts are facts. He didn't. I believe 2007 WAS due to injury, but the one in 2008 was supposedly because of Vince's comment. Remember he was stripped right after Backlash , and suspiciously after what Vince said. It is what it is. I hate it because Taker's my favorite , and I don't think he gets nearly the credit he deserves(he could outwrestle Cena,or Batista even on his worst day)...but I'm not the boss of things

In 2008 it was also because of injury. The break he took from ONS to Summerslam was because of his knees being fucked up, and it would have been longer (the break), had he not forced his return to compete in Hell in a Cell.

And again, Vince's comment has a little more to do with Undertaker's character than anything.

 

[Airfixx]

The so-called big guy 'standard' in WWF was set during the Hogan years.... The Vince 'loves' big men thing is born of him needing an endless supply of monsters to throw at the unstoppable Hogan over the course of a 4 year title reign. (Nothing to do with an "I want big man champs" vision for the company.)

Alternatively, look at the list of post-Hogan world champs:

Warrior, Slaughter, Taker, Flair, Savage, Bret, Yoko, Backlund, Diesel, HBK, Sid, SCSA, Rock, Foley, Show, HHH, Angle, Benoit, Lesnar, JBL, Eddie G, Booker, Batista, Cena, RVD, Edge, Orton, Hardy, Punk, Jericho (No doubt I've missed a few)....


There's only a handfull that you could honestly consider the proverbial 'monster' type.