If X were a Title: tracking the lineage of some strange stipulations

[Leon TrotSky]

Btw... I dunno if you'd considered this yet, Sky, but what about some bad things people "win"? Those "If you lose the Match, then X" Matches?

I started one of those earlier with Col. Robert Parker losing to Flyin' Brian in a "Loser has to wear a Chicken Suit" Match, which immediately ended because Parker's next win was against a Jobber, who only had one Match...

I briefly considered one of those but ran into the same problem you had, it always ends up with a guy with no matches

 

[Leon TrotSky]

Plus you get situations with multi-mans that aren't filmed so you don't know who ate the pin so who's the loser

 

[Chris]

Plus you get situations with multi-mans that aren't filmed so you don't know who ate the pin so who's the loser

Some of these projects only count one v one matches. I like your way better but it's interesting to see how it shakes out the other way. Probably not as big of an e crown but more retired guys keeping things

 

[TOP GUY TIME]

Here's a fun one, idk the exact date but in 1996 Sable won the first WWF Karate Fighter's tournament. She "technically" won it in a match with robots, but she's still the winner of the tournament. How does the history go from there?

 

[Samoa Looch]

Here's a fun one, idk the exact date but in 1996 Sable won the first WWF Karate Fighter's tournament. She "technically" won it in a match with robots, but she's still the winner of the tournament. How does the history go from there?

I actually thought about this one as well couple of days ago. The final was on the December 16th RAW of 1996.

 

[Grimoire Lenin]

Fairly sure Sable won it, eventually lost to Marc Mero, and it bounced around to Edge into the E-Crown, but I could be wrong.

 

[Samoa Looch]

Fairly sure Sable won it, eventually lost to Marc Mero, and it bounced around to Edge into the E-Crown, but I could be wrong.

You'd think... but surprisingly no (or at least not in that way). Sable's first loss (in April of 98) comes at the hands of Luna, who loses it to Jacqueline. Jacqueline then loses it back to Sable, circumventing her loss against Mero. It goes then to Debra when Shawn Michaels declares her the winner in that one Evening Gown Match.

 

[TOP GUY TIME]

I also have a lineage from grounds i don't think have been covered yet. Dragon Gate held their first Battle of Tokyo tournament in 2009, with KAGETORA as the winner. So, who is current victor of the Battle of Tokyo?

 

[TOP GUY TIME]

and one more, in 2007 the NWA held a Reclaiming the Glory tournament to decide the first NWA Champion following the split from TNA, won by Adam Pearce. Who currently is Reclaiming their Glory?

 

[Chris]

and one more, in 2007 the NWA held a Reclaiming the Glory tournament to decide the first NWA Champion following the split from TNA, won by Adam Pearce. Who currently is Reclaiming their Glory?

I like this one just for the name. Betting e crown tho just bc I feel like Adam Pearce pops up in that history lol

 

[Tyler2]

Oh you could do all the TNA Thanksgiving turkey suits

 

[Leon TrotSky]

By request of @Death By Looch

Who holds Kevin Nash's hair (2003)?

Spoiler: Big Sexy Hair

2003-08-18 Chris Jericho - beats Nash in a Hair vs. Hair match on WWE RAW
2003-08-24 Triple H - beats Jericho and 4 others in an Elimination Chamber match at WWE SummerSlam
[Triple H has the Viagra]
2024-04-07 Cody Rhodes - beats Reigns at WWE WrestleMania 40

And once again, one that Looch tracked! Thanks, Looch! I'm just re-formatting it to post here.

Who has earned Sabu's respect?

Spoiler: A Matter of Respect

1996-05-11 Rob Van Dam - beats Sabu in a Respect match at ECW A Matter of Respect. To be respected by Sabu, you gotta beat respected by Sabu. Or something.
1996-06-22 Sabu - beats RVD at ECW Hardcore Heaven
1996-10-08 2 Cold Scorpio - beats Sabu at TPW Battle Entertainment '96: 200% Night Tokyo Pro Wrestling and Yoji Anjo (jeez, tone it down, Japan)
1996-10-11 Sabu (2) - beats Scorpio at an ECW event
1996-10-19 2 Cold Scorpio (2) - beats Sabu at an ECW event
1996-10-26 The Sandman - beats Scorpio at ECW High Incident
1996-12-07 Raven - beats Sandman in a Barbed Wire match at ECW Holiday Hell
1997-01-11 The Sandman (2) - beats Raven at ECW House Party
1997-01-18 Raven (2) beats Sandman on ECW Hardcore TV
1997-04-13 Terry Funk - beats Raven at ECW Barely Legal
1997-08-09 Sabu (3) - beats Raven in a Barbed Wire match at ECW Born to Be Wired
1997-08-17 Shane Douglas - beats Sabu and Funk at ECW Hardcore Heaven
1997-10-16 Bam Bam Bigelow - beats Douglas on ECW Hardcore TV
1997-11-30 Shane Douglas (2) - beats Bigelow at ECW November to Remember
1999-01-10 Taz - beats Douglas at ECW Guilty as Charged
[1999-03-21 Taz claims the ECW version of the FTW Title, which means this is already-treaded ground until we get to...]
2001-01-07 Rhino - beats Sandman at ECW Guilty as Charged
[and then we issue another CORRECTION! Previously I had Rhino dropping his crown to Raven on 2001-03-04 at a house show. But Cagematch is being improved all the time, and it's added a certain dark match on Sunday Night Heat, where Rhino took a surprising clean loss to Scott Vick of all the people. Sad to say, this robs the mysterious RIPPER of 2 of the achievements in his 7-match crown... or does it? Where does it go now?]
2001-02-27 Scott Vick - beats Rhino on WWF Heat (dark)
2001-03-19 Bo Dupp - beats Vick on WWF Jakked (dark)
2001-06-28 Q-Sic - beats Dupp at an SCW event
2001-10-25 Kross - beats Q-Sic at an SCW event
2002-01-19 Ali Steele - beats Kross at an SCW event
2002-04-13 Seymour Snott - beats Steele at an SCW event
2004-06-12 Frank Murdoch - beats Snott at a PWI event
2004-08-28 Apollo Kahn - beats Murdoch in a Steel Cage match at PWI International Challenge
2004-10-30 Nigel McGuinness - beats Kahn at NBWA Fright Night
2004-11-16 Rory Fox - beats McGuinness at an HWA event
2005-03-25 Shawn Osbourne - beats Fox at an HWA event
2005-06-17 Matt Stryker - beats Osbourne at an HWA event
2005-07-19 Cody Hawk - beats Stryker and Osbourne at an HWA event
2005-08-05 Abyss - beats Hawk in a Last Man Standing Chain match at a BPW event
2005-08-21 Jeff Jarrett - beats Abyss in a Steel Cage match at NWA Cyberspace Cybercade 2
2005-10-05 Rhino (2) - beats Jarrett at WSW International Assault Tour
2005-10-08 Jeff Jarrett (2) - beats Rhino at WSW International Assault Tour
2005-10-23 Rhino (3) - beats Jarrett at TNA Bound for Glory
2005-10-25 Jeff Jarrett (3) - beats Rhino on TNA Impact
2005-11-19 Abyss (2) - beats Jarrett and Chris Harris at NWA Cyberspace Above the Law
2005-12-04 Rhino (4) - beats Abyss at BSE Xtreme Xmas
2005-12-11 Jeff Jarrett (4) - beats Rhino at TNA Turning Point
2005-12-16 BG James - beats Jarrett at Ring of Glory: The Great Commission (dark)
2005-12-29 Jeff Jarrett (5) - beats James at an NWA Wrestle Birmingham event
2006-01-07 AJ Styles - beats Jarrett at 1PW No Turning Back
2006-01-17 Shannon Moore - beats Styles in a Street Fight on TNA Impact
2006-02-14 Jay Lethal - beats Strong and Shannon Moore on TNA Impact
2006-02-18 Rhino (5) - beats Lethal and Teddy Hart in an Elimination match at JAPW Brotherly Love
2006-03-04 Christian Cage - beats Rhino at 1PW All or Nothing
2006-05-27 Steve Corino - beats Christian and Abyss at 1PW Know Your Enemy
2006-05-28 Caiman - beats Corino in an ECW Rules match at CW The Sunday Service
2006-07-21 Bam Katraz - beats Caiman at IWW In to the West Tour
2006-07-30 Bingo Ballance - beats Katraz and 4 others in a Lucha Rules match at IWW Gym Wars 13
2006-08-06 The Ballymun Bruiser - beats Ballance in a No Disqualification match at an IWW event
2006-08-13 Bam Katraz (2) - beats Bruiser and Red Vinny at IWW Gym Wars 14
2006-10-29 Bingo Ballance (2) - beats Katraz at IWW Gym Wars 17
2006-11-05 Red Vinny - beats Ballance, Bruiser, and Vic Viper at IWW at Dunshaughlin
[things get a little complicated here, as IWW ran two events in one night, and at them Vinny lost to two different people: Bingo Ballance and Vic Viper. There's no indication of which happened first, except in an old ass post on a site known as BOARDS.ie, where the Kilcoole event is placed BEFORE the Ballymun event! This is a divergence from Looch's history, which assumed the Ballymun event was first and ended up in Germany]
2006-11-06 Bingo Ballance (3) - beats Vinny and Matt Vaughn at IWW at Kilcoole
2006-11-11 PAC - beats Ballance and Jonny Storm at RQW Rebirth
2006-11-17 AJ Styles (2) - beats PAC at PWG All-Star Weekend IV
2006-11-19 Christian Cage (2) - beats Styles at TNA Genesis
2006-11-20 Kurt Angle - beats Cage and 3 others in a No Rules, No Morals, No Mercy Five-Way match on TNA Impact
2006-12-10 Samoa Joe - beats Angle at TNA Turning Point
[Oh no. Joe has the Kevin Nash bowling trophy. So, after all that... we come right back to...]
2013-07-21 Ripper - beats Golden Dragon at a GALLI live event

Dread it. Run from it. Ripper arrives all the same.

 

[Leon TrotSky]

Okay, now to get to @TOP GUY TIME 's requests.

Who is the current WWF World Martial Arts Heavyweight Champion?

Spoiler: Punchy Kicky

1989-12-31 Antonio Inoki - "final" champion
1994-01-04 Genichiro Tenryu - beats Inoki at NJPW Battle Field
1994-02-17 Shinya Hashimoto - beats Tenryu at NJPW Fighting Spirit
1994-03-06 Scott Norton - beats Hashimoto at NJPW Hyper Battle
1994-03-21 Shinya Hashimoto (2) - beats Norton at NJPW Hyper Battle
1994-04-04 Tatsumi Fujinami - beats Hashimoto at NJPW Battle Line Kyushu
1994-05-01 Shinya Hashimoto (3) - beats Fujinami at NJPW Wrestling Dontaku
1994-08-03 Hiroshi Hase - beats Hashimoto at NJPW G1 Climax 4
1994-08-04 Power Warrior - beats Hase at NJPW G1 Climax 4
1994-08-07 Masahiro Chono - beats Power Warrior at NJPW G1 Climax 4
[add the G1 Climax 4 trophy to this one! It's a double!]
1994-09-27 Shinya Hashimoto (4) - beats Chono at NJPW G1 Climax Special
1995-02-08 Scott Norton (2) - beats Hashimoto at NJPW Fighting Spirit
1995-02-19 Shinya Hashimoto (5) - beats Norton at NJPW Fighting Spirit
1995-05-03 Keiji Mutoh - beats Hashimoto at NJPW Wrestling Dontaku
1995-08-11 Shiro Koshinaka - beats Mutoh at NJPW G1 Climax 5
1995-08-12 Ric Flair - beats Koshinaka at NJPW G1 Climax 5
1995-08-13 Keiji Mutoh (2) - beats Flair at NJPW G1 Climax 5
[this is a triple as the G1 Climax 5 trophy joins this Crown]
1996-01-04 Nobuhiko Takada - beats Mutoh at NJPW Wrestling World
1996-04-29 Shinya Hashimoto (6) - beats Takada at NJPW Battle Formation
1996-08-02 Riki Choshu - beats Hashimoto at NJPW G1 Climax 6
[and with that, we merge back to G1 Climax 6, which means...]
2024-04-07 Cody Rhodes - beats Roman Reigns at WWE WrestleMania 40

 

[Leon TrotSky]

Another thing @Death By Looch tracked, because it lets me close a tab. I told you the ECW Title/Sabu's respect went to Germany in his estimation. Well, that lineage received another title. So, let's see...

Who holds Jose Lopez's hair (2008)?

Spoiler: SPANISH HAIR

2008-06-28 Flying Dragon - beats Lopez in a Mask vs. Hair match at GWF Berlin Wrestling Night 4
2008-10-04 Big Geert - beats Dragon and Rob Raw at PWA European Allstars
2008-11-29 Vito Toscani - beats Geert at a BWS event
2009-04-11 Fury - beats Toscani at FCW Easter Beatings
2010-05-29 Johnny B-Wire - beats Fury at Pro Wrestling Showdown 4: Insaenity
2010-08-07 Toby Blunt - beats B-Wire at FCW Tattoo Brawl
2010-10-03 Tom Tremonia - beats Blunt at Westside Dojo "Bigotte Erholung für Steve Venom"

Tom retired in 2010.

 

[Leon TrotSky]

And now back to @TOP GUY TIME

Here's a fun game: guess where this title will be by the end.

Who is lineal winner of the 2009 Battle of Tokyo?

Spoiler: Tokyo Battles without giant monsters? Well I never!

2009-01-25 KAGETORA - beats Akira Tozawa at Dragon Gate Battle of Tokyo
2009-02-12 Masato Yoshino - beats KAGETORA at Dragon Gate Truth Gate
2009-03-22 CIMA - beats Yoshino at Dragon Gate The Gate of Anniversary
2009-06-23 Shachihoko Machine - beats CIMA and Jackson Florida at Dragon Gate The Gate of Maximum
2009-06-29 Kzy - beats Shisa BOY (aka Shachihoko) at Dragon Gate NEX Sanctuary.50
2009-08-30 Naoki Tanizaki - beats Kzy and Super Shisa at Dragon Gate Storm Gate
2009-12-03 Davey Richards - beats Tanizaki at Dragon Gate The Gate of Generation
2009-12-06 Masaaki Mochizuki - beats Richards at Dragon Gate The Gate of Generation
2010-01-23 Davey Richards (2) - beats Mochizuki at DGUSA Fearless
2010-03-05 Eddie Edwards - beats Richards on ROH TV
2010-04-03 Isys Ephex - beats Edwards at 2CW Living on the Edge 5
2010-04-09 Jason Blade - beats Ephex, Matt Taven, and Vinny Marseglia at TRP The Anniversary
2010-05-14 Isys Ephex (2) - beats Blade at at TRP event
2010-06-05 Flames - beats Ephex at PWF Proving Ground
2010-06-05 Christopher Daniels - beats Flames and 4 others in an Elimination match at PWF Proving Ground
[with this win, victory in the PWF Proving Ground Tournament joins this title, and makes it a double]
2010-06-06 Jack Evans - beats Daniels, Extreme Tiger, and NOSAWA in an Elimination match at AAA TripleMania XVIII
2011-03-04 Carlito - beats Evans, Ozz, and Decnnis in an Elimination match on AAA Sin Limite
2011-03-11 Jason Styles - beats Carlito and Ryan Von Krool at a BTW event
2011-12-09 David Hart Smith - beats Styles and Ryan Von Krool at a BTW event
2012-01-28 Davey Richards (3) - beats Smith at PWS WrestleReunion VI
2012-03-01 BJ Whitmer - beats Richards at an SNPW event
2012-03-02 Tim Donst - beats Whitmer at AIW Gauntlet for the Gold 7
2012-03-31 Dave Manzo - beats Donst at CLASH to the Future IV
2012-07-28 Gavin Quinn - beats Manzo and 3 others at DGUSA Untouchable (dark)
2012-08-25 J. Miller - beats Quinn at CLASH GrappleGanza
2012-10-26 Kyle O'Reilly - beats Miller at AAW War Is Coming
2012-11-03 Adam Cole - beats O'Reilly on ROH TV
2012-11-10 AR Fox - beats Cole at CZW Brain Damage Memorial Show
2012-11-17 Leon St. Giovanni - beats Fox and Eric Corvis at ISDub Armageddocalypse
2013-02-23 Jaka - beats LSG at Primer Inc Get to the Choppa
2013-03-16 Chris Dickinson - beats Jaka at ISDub 3D
2013-04-27 Keith Walker - beats Dickinson at AAW Take No Prisoners
2013-09-27 Michael Elgin - beats Walker at AAW Defining Moment
2013-10-12 Cyanide - beats Elgin at Infinite A Hard Day's Fight: Round 2
2013-11-17 Zack Gibson - beats Cyanide at FutureShock 71
2013-11-22 Ricky J. McKenzie - beats Gibson at GPW Warrington Bash
2013-12-01 Craig Kollins - beats McKenzie in a Hardcore 2/3 Falls match at PAID Frightmare Before Christmas
2014-02-08 Shaun Vasey - beats Kollins at KOW Fallout
2014-03-15 James Drake - beats Vasey at PAID Trials and Tribulations
2014-07-13 Dave Rayne - beats Drake at FutureShock 76
2014-08-01 Noam Dar - beats Rayne at PCW I Want To Break Three
2014-08-03 Darkside - beats Dar, Joe Coffey, and Kid Fite in an Elimination match at ICW Get Mendoza!
2014-08-31 Drew Galloway - beats Darkside at ICW 1.21 Gigawatts, Great Scott!
2014-10-04 Tommy Dreamer - beats Galloway in a Hardcore match at FWE ReFueled
2014-10-18 Andrew Hawkes - beats Dreamer at RCW Rise of Legends IV
2015-06-13 Vince Austin - beats Hawkes at RCW Summer Havoc
2015-08-22 Psycho Mitch - beats Austin in a Newfoundland Deathmatch at RCW Extreme Measures
2016-08-08 Justin Lock - beats Mitch at an NEW event
2016-10-03 Brandon Hynes - beats Lock and Steve Arsenault at an NEW event
2017-05-12 Matt Wheeler - beats Hynes and Scott Humphries at an NEW event
2017-05-20 Dylan Davis - beats Wheeler at an NBW event
2017-06-23 Matt Wheeler (2) - beats Davis at NEW SummerCade
2017-08-24 Dylan Davis (2) - beats Wheeler at a NBW event
2017-09-16 Wesley Pipes - beats Davis at NWE Roll the Dice
2018-04-21 El Fuego Dragon - beats Pipes at NWE King of the Ring
2018-04-21 Ryan Heath - beats Dragon at NWE King of the Ring
[therefore the 2018 NWE King of the Ring makes this a triple!]
2018-09-21 Preston Carter - beats Heath and 4 others in a Ladder match at NWE Roll the Dice
2019-05-25 El Fuego Dragon (2) - beats Carter at NWE Deception
2019-06-29 King Heath (2) - beats Dragon at NWE Top Rope Turmoil
2019-11-30 El Fuego Dragon (3) - beats Heath and Julius Fantana at NWE Road to Gold: 7 Year Anniversary
2020-09-17 Chris Tough - beats Dragon and Bailey Blaze at Maritime Wrestling Academy
2021-03-26 Remi Petit - beats Tough at IHW Resurgence
2021-07-25 Chip Chambers - beats Petit and 3 others in a Scramble match at a Kaizen event
2021-08-21 Kimba - beats Chambers, Andrew Love, and Kris Hicks at a Kaizen event
2021-09-04 Mya Malek - beats Kimba and 4 others in a Scramble match at Kaizen 2nd Anniversary
2022-03-05 Chantal - beats Malek at Kaizen Chosen Evil
2022-06-17 Jessika Black - beats Chantal at BEW Payback
2022-06-19 Kat Von Heez - beats Jessika, Chantal, and Jewells Malone at BEW Thunder
2022-07-22 Ava Lawless - beats KVH at RCW Summer Stampede
2022-07-29 Liiza Hall - beats Lawless and KC Spinelli at LPW 6: Welcome to Paradise
2022-09-17 Cat Power - beats Liiza and Nicole Matthews at BOOM! Hello, We Bought a Wrestling Ring!!
2022-10-01 Riea Von Slasher - beats Power at 365 Autumn Anarchy
2022-12-03 Devon Shooter - beats Riea at a 365 event
2023-01-27 Krofton - beats Shooter and Riea at a 365 event
2023-02-17 Lak Siddartha - beats Krofton at a 365 event
2023-02-17 Krofton (2) - beats Siddartha at a 365 event
2023-02-25 Warhed - beats Krofton and Eddie Osbourne in a Hardcore match at a 365 event
2023-04-29 Chato - beats Warhed at a 365 event
2023-08-19 Razz Mansour - beats Chato at NCW Acces Interdit
2023-09-23 Jake Madison - beats Mansour at NBW2.0 All Orr Nothing
2023-10-07 Wicked Roy - beats Madison at ALE Crise d'Octobre

And there it stays, as Wicked Roy is a tag team guy. btw if you said "In Quebec", you're a liar