I lost 16 followers because of Hitler

[Swift]

Yes, yes he was. Though if he was able to eliminate all the Jews we wouldn't have Larry David and that would sukk

 

[Wacokid27]

Hitler would have made a great Roman Emperor. He knew that the people needed bread and circuses to distract them from their daily existences. He also knew that he needed to keep the military strong and active to keep it happy. And he knew when he needed to be loved and, possibly more importantly, when he needed to be feared. Most people today can't imagine that anyone could have ever respected and loved Hitler, but the truth is that he was loved and respected before he was feared. It was only after the war had drug on for a few years (much longer than he had promised it would take and much longer than it had initially appeared the war would take...remember, France fell only a few months after the invasion of Poland; it was literally Great Britain alone against the Third Reich) that he had to start using the "rule through fear" approach with his own citizens (he wasn't worried about being loved in the occupied territories, as he didn't believe the people there were part of his "master race").

Unfortunately, for Germany, Hitler, and the rest of the world, Hitler also had the great failing of many Roman Emperors, particularly the later Roman Emperors, in that his ideal society was not one based on morality but one based on an idealized reality that would lead to a lot of deaths in order to be achieved (much like Nero, Caligula, etc.). In his particular case, this would lead to the deaths of Jews, African-heritaged peoples/Blacks, homosexuals, communists, Freemasons (it wasn't just your people, Faarooq), Slavs, Gypsies, and a bunch more I can't remember on a sunny Saturday afternoon.

Hitler's other major weakness was his own fear. What you have to remember is that those who rule through fear do so because they have so much fear themselves. He was afraid that these groups would poison his perfect society and master race, either racially, socially, or politically. And he didn't believe, in the end, that Germans had the moral strength to deny these other groups on their own, so they must be eliminated.

wk

 

[Stopspot]

Wackokid27, If I remember correctly he was also not that good a military commander either? He overruled Rommel's plan to take control of Africa which would have worked if I remember correctly and then had Rommel kill himself when Hitler's plan didn't work. He also forced the German army into Russia in the middle of winter, something no one has succeeded in.

 

[Dat Kid1]

Hitler was a great leader who did terrible things. Those are all facts (aside from him restoring the German economy because Germany suffered detrimentally during the post war era thanks to his work). The reason you lost followers is because it seems like you're almost praising him. If you had acknowledged some of the bad the result wouldn't have been as bad.

You know how us Americans can be.

America #1 Fuck Yeah! Boobs and Baseball 4 Life! :win:

 

[Wacokid27]

Wackokid27, If I remember correctly he was also not that good a military commander either? He overruled Rommel's plan to take control of Africa which would have worked if I remember correctly and then had Rommel kill himself when Hitler's plan didn't work. He also forced the German army into Russia in the middle of winter, something no one has succeeded in.

He was a terrible military commander. He just believed in putting plenty of money and emphasis on the military. He only made it to the rank of Corporal in the German Army for a reason. He couldn't even make Sergeant during the First World War, which was very unusual.

He overruled Rommel's plans in Normandy, not Africa. Rommel was Hitler's favorite general and they only had one military disagreement. Hitler was convinced the invasion of Europe would come at the Pas de Calais. Rommel believed it would come at Normandy (in all fairness, an invasion at Calais made military sense and had been successful in history;Rommel's intuition was based on the idea that a Calais landing was just so obvious and Normandy seemed to be the only place that the Allies hadn't fainted towards). Then, Valkyrie happened and Rommel was implicated as one of the conspirators. Hitler gave him the choice between committing suicide and his family being spared or Rommel being executed along with his family. And Hitler kept his promise, too. The Rommel family survived the war.

As for the German invasion of the USSR, The invasion started in early Spring and took longer than Hitler and the German commanders on the Eastern Front thought it would. When they had the opportunity to pull back when Winter started, the commanders in the field convinced him that they could succeed where Napoleon had failed and he allowed them to do so. If anything, he had too much faith in his commanders.

Hitler's command record, if you will, turned terrible because of bad situations. His generals convinced him they could win in Russia, his best general was part of a conspiracy to assassinate him, the final offensive he ordered (the Battle of the Bulge) almost-but-not-quite succeeded. He went from having all the luck to having nothing but bad luck. It didn't help him that the best commanders in the German military didn't approve personally of the Cult of Hitler and wanted him out, which led to ineffective leadership in the field and incompetent SS thugs being given major combat commands, which led to a tremendous German losing streak.

wk



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