How To Bring Batista And Lesnar Back And Set Up A Feud For Them

[Aids Johnson]

Cena, Sheamus, Reigns, Ambrose, Rollins, Ziggler, Rusev, Khali, etc. ADR isn't as ripped, but he's at least taller.

Rollins is more physically intimidating? Khali looks like Andre the giant sitting on horneswaggles shoulders in a pair of sweatpants. ADR? Ziggler!?

Rusev i'll give you for size and what he is strong in, Sheamus lol, Rollins and Ambrose? No. Cena? Did you read my other post?

I get the booking hate, and the character hate, but some of those names you chose make me wonder why you left RVD off the list.

 

[The GOAT]

Rollins is more physically intimidating? Khali looks like Andre the giant sitting on horneswaggles shoulders in a pair of sweatpants. ADR? Ziggler!?

Rusev i'll give you for size and what he is strong in, Sheamus lol, Rollins and Ambrose? No. Cena? Did you read my other post?

I get the booking hate, and the character hate, but some of those names you chose make me wonder why you left RVD off the list.

I wasn't aware you were asking me who was more physically intimidating, just who's physique could match up to Ryder's. In that case, yes, Rollins, Ambrose, Sheamus, Ziggler and Khali all definitely deserve a mention. If I were forced to confront Zack Ryder in a real-life fight, I wouldn't feel any more threatened by him than I would any of these other gentlemen. How exactly is Ryder any more threatening than Rollins and Ambrose? Ambrose is arguably as tall and big in muscle mass as Austin was. You're saying you would be just as hesitant to get into a fight with Ryder as you would with Stone Cold in his prime?

 

[Aids Johnson]

I wasn't aware you were asking me who was more physically intimidating, just who's physique could match up to Ryder's. In that case, yes, Rollins, Ambrose, Sheamus, Ziggler and Khali all definitely deserve a mention. If I were forced to confront Zack Ryder in a real-life fight, I wouldn't feel any more threatened by him than I would any of these other gentlemen. How exactly is Ryder any more threatening than Rollins and Ambrose? Ambrose is arguably as tall and big in muscle mass as Austin was. You're saying you would be just as hesitant to get into a fight with Ryder as you would with Stone Cold in his prime?

You are calling yourself the general standard for what you define as badass.

 

[The GOAT]

You are calling yourself the general standard for what you define as badass.

How is that? I didn't post my size, height or fighting experience, nor did I say I would be ready and willing to jump into a fight with a pro wrestler. I simply stated that I wouldn't be any more afraid of Ryder than I would any of the people that I named, most of whom you laughed off (for whatever reason) as being inferior to Ryder in terms of size and physique.

 

[Aids Johnson]

" How exactly is Ryder any more threatening than Rollins and Ambrose? Ambrose is arguably as tall and big in muscle mass as Austin was. You're saying you would be just as hesitant to get into a fight with Ryder as you would with Stone Cold in his prime?"

Stone Cold in his prime couldnt fuck up Mark Henry let alone Y2J in a real fight IMO. You walk into a locker room and are chosen a fight with ADR, Khali, Ziggler, Cena, or any of the other stars you chose, and you choose Ryder?

 

[The GOAT]

" How exactly is Ryder any more threatening than Rollins and Ambrose? Ambrose is arguably as tall and big in muscle mass as Austin was. You're saying you would be just as hesitant to get into a fight with Ryder as you would with Stone Cold in his prime?"

Stone Cold in his prime couldnt fuck up Mark Henry let alone Y2J in a real fight IMO. You walk into a locker room and are chosen a fight with ADR, Khali, Ziggler, Cena, or any of the other stars you chose, and you choose Ryder?

lol This whole conversation is spiraling off into something else completely.

You originally said that Zack Ryder had one of the best physiques in the WWE, and you dared me to name at least three individuals that could match up to his other than Lesnar's. I named more than three (not counting Titus, whom you named yourself), and now you're proceeding to tell me that that somehow means I would rather fight Ryder than anyone else in the locker room. I never said "Zack Ryder is the biggest pussy in the WWE", I simply said there was more people in the company that could match his physique than you claimed there were. That is all.

And no, I wouldn't choose him first over anyone else if I were forced to mix it up with a WWE superstar, but looking at his build still doesn't incite feelings of terror in me or anything. There's more to being intimidating and being good in a fight than just size. Just look at who the usual victor is in real-life wrestling fights to see what I'm talking about.

 

[Aids Johnson]

lol This whole conversation is spiraling off into something else completely.

You originally said that Zack Ryder had one of the best physiques in the WWE, and you dared me to name at least three individuals that could match up to his other than Lesnar's. I named more than three (not counting Titus, whom you named yourself), and now you're proceeding to tell me that that somehow means I would rather fight Ryder than anyone else in the locker room. I never said "Zack Ryder is the biggest pussy in the WWE", I simply said there was more people in the company that could match his physique than you claimed there were. That is all.

And no, I wouldn't choose him first over anyone else if I were forced to mix it up with a WWE superstar, but looking at his build still doesn't incite feelings of terror in me or anything. There's more to being intimidating and being good in a fight than just size. Just look at who the usual victor is in real-life wrestling fights to see what I'm talking about.

I also named Cena buddy, but you ignored it.

I never called you a pussy vs wwe competition. Let me ask you this, out of all the top competition in the last 5 years (main eventers, you dont have rights to bray or anyone who didnt have gold shots) who had better promo's?

What has Zack Ryder done that has made him deserve it? Is he missing Charisma, Build, wrestling talent? Is he truly shown up by his last 3 opponents (google) in any way? Or is he jobbing because he fits the profile to it.

I sincerely have no issue arguing that Ryder isn't being pushed because a Patterson hasnt patted him in the ass correctly. Same as the showoff, who clearly has the pink gear and yet is only catering to one audience, because I do not understand why. I get the Ryder character isn't the best build ever, but where does he stand in merch sales over the past 5 years (cena argument) and how many other stars truly built themselves outside of Ziggler and Ryder?

 

[Leo C]

I get that Ryder should be pushed more than he is but this debate up until the last post was quite entertaining :dawg:

 

[The GOAT]

I also named Cena buddy, but you ignored it.

I never called you a pussy vs wwe competition. Let me ask you this, out of all the top competition in the last 5 years (main eventers, you dont have rights to bray or anyone who didnt have gold shots) who had better promo's?

What has Zack Ryder done that has made him deserve it? Is he missing Charisma, Build, wrestling talent? Is he truly shown up by his last 3 opponents (google) in any way? Or is he jobbing because he fits the profile to it.

I sincerely have no issue arguing that Ryder isn't being pushed because a Patterson hasnt patted him in the ass correctly. Same as the showoff, who clearly has the pink gear and yet is only catering to one audience, because I do not understand why. I get the Ryder character isn't the best build ever, but where does he stand in merch sales over the past 5 years (cena argument) and how many other stars truly built themselves outside of Ziggler and Ryder?

I named Cena in one of my first replies lol.

As for why Ryder isn't being pushed (or why he was pushed but then promptly buried shortly after), your guess is as good as mine. It's nonsensical that a guy as popular as him (complete with an over catchphrase and the ability to move merch) would not at least be made one of the top players in the midcard scene, but there's always been a certain attitude off and on in WWE where guys get punished if they dare to get themselves over without the supervision of upper management. If you become as popular as someone like Stone Cold, it's different. But if you're just a midcarder whom they have little desire of faith in seeing break into the top tier (I never saw Ryder was a main eventer either), they sometimes resent it and intend to keep you shackled in the undercard. They pushed Ryder briefly and got what they could out of him in terms of merchandise sells, then convinced themselves he wasn't ever gonna be a valuable player (his storyline with Cena/Eva/Kane drew the lowest rated Raw segment in fifteen years on the night that Kane injured him), and so they buried him.

I even remember Triple H being asked in a real-life interview around that time why the company wasn't showcasing Zack Ryder more given that he had several fans on social media and a very popular internet show, and his reply was something to the effect of "Who wants to see Zack Ryder? You and three other people?" (This was in late 2011/early 2012 before Hunter's heel turn, so he wasn't speaking in-character.) That pretty much sums up how the company feels about Ryder.



And this was when Triple H was a babyface lol.