How bad are the ratings... REALLY

[Snowman1]

Actually, if you want to correctly identify what "sports entertainment" means, it is a term Vince coined that simply referred to the fact that professional wrestling is simulated fighting. He began using the term instead of pro wrestling in he 1980s and specifically focused on it in 1989 in order to keep his company from being regulated by the government like competitive sports. He has added and changed the definition of it many, many times, but this was what the term "sports entertainment" originally refers to.

And sorry, the in ring work in WWE is not a redeeming factor for it right now. I have no idea how anyone can say that. Although we get a couple good matches here and there, the majority of them are terrible.

Aight, I'll give you that. Usually you can rely on a couple of 20+ minute matches on Raw - like this week's Cena vs Ziggler bout - and those are the main positives you give the show.
Meant more about THAT being the redeeming factor moreso than Kane main events or jobber killings or all the matches with storyline finishes that are forgotten next week anyway

 

[Jacob Fox]

Aight, I'll give you that. Usually you can rely on a couple of 20+ minute matches on Raw - like this week's Cena vs Ziggler bout - and those are the main positives you give the show.
Meant more about THAT being the redeeming factor moreso than Kane main events or jobber killings or all the matches with storyline finishes that are forgotten next week anyway

I agree and it's great to see those matches when they happen. The problem is that the 20 minutes would stand out a lot more in a 2 hour show. But in a 3 hour show, it just sort of shrinks.

I agree that story lines are forgettable, bad, you name it. But honestly, I think both the matches and story lines need work. I just have always preferred matches to the story so Raw would be much more enjoyable for me if they had better matches.

 

[Neptune]

The problem to me isn't the matches, it is the over booking of the wrong ones, the stale story lines, and the repetitively easy way you can basically call what is about to happen ALL THE TIME. I don't like watching shows where I can easily guess what is going to happen next.

They need to be unpredictable again.

 

[Jacob Fox]

The problem to me isn't the matches, it is the over booking of the wrong ones, the stale story lines, and the repetitively easy way you can basically call what is about to happen ALL THE TIME. I don't like watching shows where I can easily guess what is going to happen next.

They need to be unpredictable again.

Yeah but when you over book the wrong matches, how does that make the problem not the matches? If over booking the wrong matches is one of the things that is wrong, you are plainly saying that the matches are one of the problems. Because you have too many of the wrong matches and they are not entertaining.

 

[Neptune]

Yeah but when you over book the wrong matches, how does that make the problem not the matches? If over booking the wrong matches is one of the things that is wrong, you are plainly saying that the matches are one of the problems. Because you have too many of the wrong matches and they are not entertaining.

I am saying that they put on good shows in the ring... But they are using the wrong match set ups which goes inline with the story line. I get what you mean though.

 

[Snowman1]

Love how we have Neptune wanting unpredictability, Fox wanting better wrestling, and me wanting matches with more context in the same thread.

Luckily they have that third hour to make us ALL happy, right? I mean, we can get 8 minutes of Sasha vs Becky (random names) for the #1 contendership for me, then 20 minutes of Owens vs Cesaro for Fox, then that match ends with glass shattering and Stone Cold driving out in a 4-wheeler and Neptune is all like YEAH WOOOOOO

 

[Leo C]

They're not very good at what they do.

 

[Neptune]

They're not very good at what they do.

They are "good enough" to keep people watching apparently.

 

[Leo C]

They are "good enough" to keep people watching apparently.

Yeah, it takes a long time put together with incompetence to drive everybody away when you're as big as them (and the people are leaving, weren't the ratings dropping?). I'll give it to them that they don't do everything wrong, some stuff is good, although not much.

 

[Stopspot]

This week's RAW only did 72k more viewers distributed over 3 hours than last week. And that was with Austin, Lesnar, Taker, Flair and HBK on the same show.

They have literally run out of ways to pop the numbers short term now. They have to.

 

[Majour]

They are "good enough" to keep people watching apparently.

I've almost completely stopped watching.
I think that maybe some people are stuck in their ways and don't want to stop because they figure this must be the best product out there- it doesn't help that the second biggest promotion is awful.

Personally, I think it has the best production by a country mile, but there are so many smaller companies that do a better job of utilising their wrestlers and having storylines that are easier to be invested in.

 

[Neptune]

Yeah, it takes a long time put together with incompetence to drive everybody away when you're as big as them (and the people are leaving, weren't the ratings dropping?). I'll give it to them that they don't do everything wrong, some stuff is good, although not much.

They don't have competition int the US either.

 

[Neptune]

I've almost completely stopped watching.
I think that maybe some people are stuck in their ways and don't want to stop because they figure this must be the best product out there- it doesn't help that the second biggest promotion is awful.

Personally, I think it has the best production by a country mile, but there are so many smaller companies that do a better job of utilising their wrestlers and having storylines that are easier to be invested in.

I have watched indie shows and even youtube shows that d better just because they do exactly what you said. I guess you try more when you want better earnings and viewers. I don't think Vince cares anymore lol

 

[Majour]

I have watched indie shows and even youtube shows that d better just because they do exactly what you said. I guess you try more when you want better earnings and viewers. I don't think Vince cares anymore lol

I wouldn't say he doesn't care, more that he isn't worried about competition. The second biggest promotion in the world is practically dying a death and the rest of the promotions that are getting bigger are also still a long way from catching up to WWE.

 

[Snowman1]

2.21 this week, down from a 2.33. Buildness and stuff