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[Next Big Thing]

Buy rates are a matter of public record since WWE and now TNA are publically owned companies.

Since when has TNA been a publically owned company? And please show me one time when TNA has EVER released their ppv buyrates. To the best of my knowledge they never have because they don't have to.

But of course you TNA apologists will do anything to make your PRECIOUS look good...

Uh huh. Seeing as how I don't really like TNA and haven't watched Impact in months, yet they are somehow my precious. Right. This has absolutely nothing to do with me liking TNA and defending every move they make. I just saw everyone bashing TNA for this reported buyrate which I found to be somewhat ridiculous when I know that TNA doesn’t release their buyrates, so I figured someone needed to mention that there is a possibility that this is a bullshit story.

Nobody questions anything when it comes to ratings or buyrates.

I agree that we shouldn't be questioning television ratings, and if we are talking about the WWE we don't need to be questioning buyrates either. But as I have mentioned already, TNA doesn't release their ppv buyrates.

Just because this is a low number, doesn't mean it should be questioned. Also, this isn't presented as a rumour.

As Snackz already pointed out, it damn sure is being presented as a rumour.

 

[Kaedon]

Since when has TNA been a publically owned company? And please show me one time when TNA has EVER released their ppv buyrates. To the best of my knowledge they never have because they don't have to.

Panda is publically traded I thought, therefore the buyrates of TNA affect their stockholders, therefore they have to be released. Add to that AC Nielson tracks them which is ALSO public knowledge.

 

[MikeRaw]

Since when has TNA been a publically owned company? And please show me one time when TNA has EVER released their ppv buyrates. To the best of my knowledge they never have because they don't have to.

Uh huh. Seeing as how I don't really like TNA and haven't watched Impact in months, yet they are somehow my precious. Right. This has absolutely nothing to do with me liking TNA and defending every move they make. I just saw everyone bashing TNA for this reported buyrate which I found to be somewhat ridiculous when I know that TNA doesn’t release their buyrates, so I figured someone needed to mention that there is a possibility that this is a bullshit story.

I agree that we shouldn't be questioning television ratings, and if we are talking about the WWE we don't need to be questioning buyrates either. But as I have mentioned already, TNA doesn't release their ppv buyrates.

As Snackz already pointed out, it damn sure is being presented as a rumour.

I have a hard time believing, as bad as some rumour sites are, that they're just going to pull a number out of their ass. Until I see a reason to doubt this, I believe it.

 

[The Rated R CMStar]

Add that to the fact that we are not talking about any no name web site. The torch usually gets their reports right and do not publish random shit.

 

[JurassicBonez]

^^^

Off the top of my head I remember them posting that Matt Hardy "Spilled the beans" about him being drafted to SD, only for it to be on WWE.com for nearly an hour.

In nearly every rumour thread someone questions how much truth there is to the story, so why hasn't anyone in this thread? Why should I believe this story when TNA never releases this kind of information because they don't have to like the WWE does? I'm not saying for sure that it is 100% false, I just think we should keep in mind how many of these wrestling rumours end up being complete bullshit.

It's TNA bashers, that's their job to do that.

 

[Next Big Thing]

Panda is publically traded I thought, therefore the buyrates of TNA affect their stockholders, therefore they have to be released.

I have never once heard that they are a publically traded company. However, I have heard from people in TNA that they don’t release their buyrates.

Add to that AC Nielson tracks them which is ALSO public knowledge.

I’m not an expert on what Neilson does, but I believe they only track television ratings, not things like PPV buyrates.

I have a hard time believing, as bad as some rumour sites are, that they're just going to pull a number out of their ass.

Dave Meltzer has done this the past two years with his “estimated†buyrates.

Until I see a reason to doubt this, I believe it.

The fact that TNA doesn’t release PPV buyrates isn’t reason enough to at least question this story? Or the fact that it says in the article that it hasn’t been confirmed isn’t enough reason to question the story?

Add that to the fact that we are not talking about any no name web site. The torch usually gets their reports right and do not publish random shit.

Honestly I don’t know the Torch from PWI or the Observer, because I don’t go to news sites for stories like this, I just read about them when someone posts them on forums. They may very well be a credible site, but I have a hard time believing they have never put out a bullshit story. As I already mentioned, Dave Meltzer has put out “estimated†PPV buyrates the last two years, and I would say he isn’t a no name guy and doesn’t work for a no name site.

It's TNA bashers, that's their job to do that.

What’s funny is I was accused of being a TNA defender, yet it’s fairly obvious that there are several people that will bash TNA for everything they do.

 

[He who knows more than Nation]

It's credible. They did similar numbers last month and all the same top sites that reported this reported the same last month. TNA is a joke and IF everything that is coming out of the Jarrett-Angle story is true it could possibly be a blessing in disguise if Dixie and Panda decide they've just had enough of Jarrett and his ass-kissing group of toxic bookers. Get rid of what has your company in a rut, the guys who want to make this sorry promotion the "Good Ole Boys" hour, and see if you can get it kick-started. If not, continue on with this money trap with spry young 50 year old Nashes jobbing uninteresting, never weres like AJ Styles at every turn in hopes of recapturing what hasn't been there in over ten years. Great business plan. Keep up those 1.3 ratings and way below 30,000 buys, that's how it's always been, that's how it seems it will always be. Every year people have been claiming that TNA was going to take that next step and grow. Here we are five years later and still zero to little growth and DECLINING PPV numbers.

 

[Next Big Thing]

It's credible. They did similar numbers last month and all the same top sites that reported this reported the same last month.

So let me see if I understand this. You are saying that it's credible because they reported the same thing last month? So if you report bullshit stories, but continue to report the same bullshit story month after month, it becomes credible? Where is the logic in that?

Here we are five years later and still zero to little growth and DECLINING PPV numbers.

Just by looking at their television situation I would say it's ridiculous to say that they have had zero to little growth. I'd say it's damn impressive what they have accomplished as far as getting two hours and the increase in viewership, considering how young their company still is.

As for the declining PPV numbers, where in the hell are you getting this information? From TNA themselves like we do with the WWE's PPV numbers? Or from news sites like the one mentioned in this article that say "this story has not been confirmed", or from Dave Meltzer's "estimated" PPV buyrates? My guess is it's one of the last two I mentioned and not from anyone in TNA.

For the record I'm not saying 100% that this story isn't true, because I really have no idea. I want to hear it from someone in TNA before I take it as fact.

 

[This Guy]

Panda Energy is not a Public company. TNA is not required to make there numbers public nor anything else. However just as they can't stop Nielson from revealing there ratings, they can't stop cable companies from reporting there buy rates of certain shows. As a habbit though Cable companies do not release that information either, however it is possible for the media to obtain that information. The reason they are reported as estimate numbers when reporting on TNA is because there is the possibility that some ppv providers were not contacted for there numbers.

 

[xtremebadass]

7,000 x $35 = $24,500.

 

[Quintastic One]

Sweet Jesus they can afford to keep Eric Young!

 

[Airfixx]

@ NBT: To be fair though, it probably is true. ;o]




The Star reported this morning: "The worst PPV in recent history"....

 

[gatesoftanhauser]

Dixie Carter, lol. Just typing that name makes me laugh

 

[The Rated R CMStar]

Besides, let's not fool ourselves. Why would out of random, the torch would decide to say "hey, let's report TNA got 7000", and this isn't WWE in which the higher authorities would fool agents and writers into reporting fake stuff.

Even if 7000 is not the exact number, it has to be somowhere in that range, and that is just lame.

 

[chessarmy]

TNA didn't deserve such a low number, I ordered the PPV myself and it was easily the best show TNA has put on all year. From top to bottom, great matches all around.

As for Victory Road? If that PPV got 4 buys TNA still wouldn't deserve that, that PPV was god awful