Giant shit taken on Tag belts

[OrtonMark54]

Nice try, but no. There's a difference. A huge one. You can pussyfoot around it as much as you want to make yourself feel right, I don't care, but if you're telling me that the tag and WHC matches are on the same level, your wrong.

Orton's already over. Period. Swagger, holding the second most important title, wasn't even over in the mid card. Having your world champ, who needs anything he can get to get over, being pinned by a man who's already the no.2 face on the Raw roster did nothing positive for anyone. Fans already knew Orton could beat Swagger, they knew that three days ago, three weeks ago, three months ago, poor guy was just a floundering mid carder, Orton's been main eventing for 3 plus years. Beating Swagger, who looks like a fluke champ as it already is did nothing for Randy. They just crushed what little momentum Swagger had and killed whatever money they could have made with him as champ. That's called bad business. Savvy?

*sigh*Yea and sacrificing the momentum of a main eventer you just turned face would be a good business decision just to get a victory for someone who is a transitional champ. The point of that match was to show how dangerous Orton is and that all champs throughout the WWE should be looking over their collective shoulders. There would be absolutely no excuse for killing the momentum of the guy who is more over with the fans than anyone right now.

*sigh*If you think that Swagger, as a heel with really no build up, was given the belt to make the WWE money, you are more delusional than I though and you really know very little about the business. There are two potential reasons why Swagger was given the belt. Either Jericho is hurt, or they wanted to transition the belt to another face without said face pinning Jericho. They didn't put the belt on Swagger because of potential money feuds. Thats preposterous.

 

[Colin Gimp]

Show and Jericho actually made the belts seem important. It doesn;t matter to me if they were only paired together because they had nothing else to do. DX vs Jerishow fighting for the belts because they actually wanted them did great things for the tag belts.

See that's sad and that';s where i come in and say hey, they didn't do nothing for the tag titles but make them exist again and if you call that a accomplishment then cena/batista winning the titles to sell their WM feud must of turned you on too.

 

[He who knows more than Nation]

*sigh*Yea and sacrificing the momentum of a main eventer you just turned face would be a good business decision just to get a victory for someone who is a transitional champ. The point of that match was to show how dangerous Orton is and that all champs throughout the WWE should be looking over their collective shoulders. There would be absolutely no excuse for killing the momentum of the guy who is more over with the fans than anyone right now.

*sigh*If you think that Swagger, as a heel with really no build up, was given the belt to make the WWE money, you are more delusional than I though and you really know very little about the business. There are two potential reasons why Swagger was given the belt. Either Jericho is hurt, or they wanted to transition the belt to another face without said face pinning Jericho. They didn't put the belt on Swagger because of potential money feuds. Thats preposterous.

*Sigh* Way to side step my arguments to your original posts. *sigh*

Well, you keep trying to take shots at me to no avail, you're obviously the delusional one. Orton isn't as over as Cena, sorry, I saw the same Raw that everyone else, but apparently you, were watching. Cena outpopped Orton both times, not even debatable. I know your an Orton mark and a very narrow sighted fella, but if you think Orton is more over than Cena, your either not watching the show or just being a narrow sighted mark.

Re: Swagger. Or how about a third option, they wanted to give them the belt because, even if he is a transition champ, it's ala Punk, a guy who's going to gain some credibility on the way. And it isn't because Jericho's hurt, that would have hit the news wires by now and it certainly isn't because they didn't want a more over face pinning Jericho, Jericho has been pinned by everyone and their mothers the past six months, so that theory is tossed out the window. It's stupid to bury the guy to a guy who isn't going to get more over by beating a fluke champ, they could have gotten the same effect if Swagger had just rolled out of the ring and walked away or was counted out. A clean pin, for his first time out as world champ is just bad, doesn't matter what they are trying to achieve with a guy as over as Orton, the number 2 face on Raw, they wouldn't have sacrificed nothing having Orton put the beat down on him but not getting the clean pin. And I love how you put words in my mouth to try and justify your argument, I said it kills any chance they had to make any money with him, not that they put the belt on him to make money. Sheamus drew money with Cena because he was built up to hold his own, Swagger could have drawn some money with a Taker or Edge if he had been protected enough, but they sacrificed that shit to have a throwaway match on Raw. BAD. The World title was shat on, the tags weren't, but see it how you see it.

 

[Charismatic Edge]

I still think having Swagger get pinned clean is a poor decision. He's a new, unproven commodity as champion. Randy Orton loses nothing by being pinned. Swagger looks weak because he had a cheap cash-in win and now he lost to the best after cutting a promo about having no competition.

 

[OrtonMark54]

*Sigh* Way to side step my arguments to your original posts. *sigh*

Well, you keep trying to take shots at me to no avail, you're obviously the delusional one. Orton isn't as over as Cena, sorry, I saw the same Raw that everyone else, but apparently you, were watching. Cena outpopped Orton both times, not even debatable. I know your an Orton mark and a very narrow sighted fella, but if you think Orton is more over than Cena, your either not watching the show or just being a narrow sighted mark.

I already addressed your rebuttal. We disagree, there is no point going around in circles. I will never back down from the fact that it is counterproductive to sacrifice the tag titles to help get a guy over on a show that no one watches. A guy who is as green in the ring as he is on the mic no less. All he is is a combination of Kozlov in the ring and Lashley on the mic.

During the actual matches, Orton is far and away the most over superstar right now. I'm not talking about when the entrance music hits. Everyone cheers when Cena's music hits, its a different story when it matters during the actual match.

The fact that you are using my screen name against me proves that you are the narrow minded one. What would you say if I told you I was a mark for Orton and CENA? I've been a fan of Cena since day one. The screen name argument holds no water.

 

[OrtonMark54]

I still think having Swagger get pinned clean is a poor decision. He's a new, unproven commodity as champion. Randy Orton loses nothing by being pinned. Swagger looks weak because he had a cheap cash-in win and now he lost to the best after cutting a promo about having no competition.

I agree. Him getting pinned clean was not the best decision. But if given the choice between him and the fastest rising face in the company, I choose Swagger.

Orton would have lost some momentum if he got pinned. Lets remember, he is the face now and the WWE is all about booking faces super strong.

They probably shouldn't have put him in the ring with Orton, but it was all about keeping Orton's momentum going and making him look like the biggest threat to anyone out there.