General Chit-Chat Thread - No Spoilers

[Grimoire Lenin]

I commend you at least for not pretending his work in the WWF was somehow different from his WCW stuff.

@Kid Vicious I think I can pinpoint why I think WCW 2000 is worse than 1999 RAW in a vacuum of writing.

For the most part 1999 RAW is tethered down by some terrible shit, but there are a lot of guys who are able to make it at least bearable and workable in the context of their characters. 2000 has very few people who could do that, those that are actively looking like they don't want to be a part of what they are doing, and a roster that has mostly checked out by late 2000 and already know the company is fucking dead.

The biggest issue I find with 2000 WCW is that the world title changes hand like 22 times in 12 months, and half of them to vacancies. I think Russo's biggest issue, at least in WCW, is that he has a knee jerk dependency on booking so many major angles and important plot elements in the span of a show that it becomes hard to really invest yourself in a character when you're given no time to actively reflect on what happened to them.

I don't have any examples on hand, but I think the entire David Arquette saga might be the biggest one. So much shit happens on that Thunder in regards to the main story that you can't really digest it all without it becoming too much. IIRC, heels beat up Arquette, heels give DDP and Arquette a title match, somewhere along the way Elizabeth escapes, Ric Flair and Lex Luger are involved in some way, Russo antics, and then boom, Arquette is a champion. In the same show he got the fuck beaten out of him.

I think when Russo has complete and total control of the booking, he simply does not have the patience or the wherewithal to spread things out in a way that would build actual intrigue instead of making it a complete car crash for the sake of one week's television rating.

Once Russo left WWE I think there's a greater demarcation in WWE's booking philosophy pre-Russo and post-Russo. I don't know if I would have really trusted Vince Russo to book something like Triple H vs. Cactus Jack the way it actually was. That's just me though.

You might disagree and that's fine, but I think Russo had less total control of the booking in WWE than he did in WCW.

 

[Butters]

I can pinpoint yo momma

 

[JakeYourBooty]

Grim thanks for that


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[Smart Marx]

I don’t disagree that his 1999 WWF booking is better.

My main point was the core concept of Russo’s booking philosophy is all there in its full glory in WWF.

Russo in 1997 and early 1998 booked with a committee, but by late 1998 him and Ed Ferrera were more or less booking the full show themselves.

Vince was obviously the man that approved the scripts, but other than what Austin was doing, he really just tweak the scripts just made them better, but didn’t really dictate booking on a week to week basis.

You can honestly look at the road to WrestleMania 15 to see his fingerprints all over the booking. Vince probably said we need Austin and Rick at Mania and that was it. Everything else isn’t honestly that different from what you mentioned. The world title changed hands like 6 times in 4 months and Vince won the Royal Rumble and then lost his title shot to Austin at St. Valentine’s PPV.

I’d also say the only time Russo had full control of WCW was his 1999 stint. In 2000 Russo, Tenay, Ace and Taylor were all there as part of a committee.

But I will grant you they mostly placated him. That said, I think if he hadn’t been fired and replaced by Sullivan for those first 3 months, his 2000 booking wouldn’t have been quite as scattered as it was.

 

[Smart Marx]

As much as I love Russo’s 1999 WWF (my second favorite year in WWF), he didn’t belong in WCW.

 

[Grimoire Lenin]

Russo's booking philosophy just, in my opinion, rubs me the wrong way tbh.

 

[Grimoire Lenin]

I will also say I was not really a fan of the title changing hands so much in early 1999. I get Austin didn't want the triple threat, but God damn that match was practically begging to happen.

 

[Smart Marx]

I get both paths. Austin/Rock was just money.

So I get no wanting to dilute it, but Mick earned it.

 

[Grimoire Lenin]

Glad we agree on something at least lol

 

[Poyser]

felleeeers

 

[Poyser]

is royal rumble tonight yeah?

 

[Poyser]

cant stand wwe these days but gotta watch the damn rumble

 

[Grimoire Lenin]

is royal rumble tonight yeah?

Rumble is tonight yeah lol

 

[Poyser]

saturday night rasslin

 

[Zany Clowny]