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[Senhor Perfect]

So Ronaldo scores more, Messi wins more trophies: Messi wins
Ronaldo wins more trophies and has a successful major tourney, Messi scores more goals: Messi wins

What are the criteria?

 

[Roi]

So Ronaldo scores more, Messi wins more trophies: Messi wins
Ronaldo wins more trophies and has a successful major tourney, Messi scores more goals: Messi wins

What are the criteria?

#Fifalogic=#wwelogic ity:
The point of all this is that the gave some votes to messi that were for cristiano

 

[Robbie Coletrain]

Argentina >>>>>>>> Portugal though lmao.

Portugal is literally a three man team or something, Argentina are world class. I watch La Liga weekly and Ronaldo is a much more versatile player, he's involved in every single thing for Madrid and scores a variety of goals. I think people also need to remember Ronaldo plays LW instead of CF like Messi, so naturally Messi has a lot more opportunity to score, and has the best two midfielders ever behind him feeding him goals galore.

If I was Fifa, I would have awarded it to Ronaldo this year personally. He has scored in what, 7 classicos in a row or something? He was the Champions League top scorer, he carried Portugal to the semi's and was the Euro's top scorer, he scored against every single La Liga team last season. You say what evidence is there that Messi can't play in England, well, was he that effective against Celtic @"R Albin" who played the British defending hard tackling style? Was he effective against Chelsea in the CL where they parked the bus? Nope, he's never scored against Chelsea and I think Arsenal is the only English team he's ever scored against (apart from the CL final against United), not sure on that though. Either way he's way less effective against defensive teams, where as Ronaldo tore the premier league apart every single year and done the exact same thing in La Liga.

Great post, and I agree with you I'm not sure if he could cut it in the BPL but Messi's assist record for Barca so far this season is 6 and he has scored 27 goals, Ronaldo's assist record is 3 and he has scored 16, so surely if Ronaldo doesn't have the chances to score like Messi does, he should create more? The fact that Messi scores a lot more than Ronaldo whilst getting more assists in the process surely makes him the overall better player?

 

[Rysenberg]

Argentina >>>>>>>> Portugal though lmao.

Portugal is literally a three man team or something, Argentina are world class. I watch La Liga weekly and Ronaldo is a much more versatile player, he's involved in every single thing for Madrid and scores a variety of goals. I think people also need to remember Ronaldo plays LW instead of CF like Messi, so naturally Messi has a lot more opportunity to score, and has the best two midfielders ever behind him feeding him goals galore.

If I was Fifa, I would have awarded it to Ronaldo this year personally. He has scored in what, 7 classicos in a row or something? He was the Champions League top scorer, he carried Portugal to the semi's and was the Euro's top scorer, he scored against every single La Liga team last season. You say what evidence is there that Messi can't play in England, well, was he that effective against Celtic @"R Albin" who played the British defending hard tackling style? Was he effective against Chelsea in the CL where they parked the bus? Nope, he's never scored against Chelsea and I think Arsenal is the only English team he's ever scored against (apart from the CL final against United), not sure on that though. Either way he's way less effective against defensive teams, where as Ronaldo tore the premier league apart every single year and done the exact same thing in La Liga.

Yes. Just, yes. Beautiful.

 

[Crayo]

Great post, and I agree with you I'm not sure if he could cut it in the BPL but Messi's assist record for Barca so far this season is 6 and he has scored 27 goals, Ronaldo's assist record is 3 and he has scored 16, so surely if Ronaldo doesn't have the chances to score like Messi does, he should create more? The fact that Messi scores a lot more than Ronaldo whilst getting more assists in the process surely makes him the overall better player?

To be honest this is the only season you can't compare them. Real Madrid have been a shadow of their former selves because of all the backstage stuff going on with the club. Mourinho doesn't want to be there, some of the players don't want him there, there's a complete rift. With questions like that, you NEED to take into account what team they're playing for. Ronaldo has Benzema and Higuain (but doesn't play due to no room) to set up. Di Maria just doesn't score and neither does Ozil, the other two midfielders are defensive. So assists I don't really tend to count, but you're right, Messi is overall more involved in a match than Ronaldo but I dunno if that makes him a better player, because of the team he has around him.

It's quite hard to compare them when Messi has only played for one club in one league, a club that has always had endless resources and world class players around him. Ronaldo was a success in Portugal, England and Spain. The question we all want answered is can Messi succeed in the BPL? It's a question we will never know the answer to, but in my opinion the more complete player is Ronaldo. There is more evidence to suggest that (heading master, free-kick master, comfortable with both feet - talents not even Messi can say he has [apart from his relatively recent free-kick form]) and he has succeeded in three different leagues, and internationally in a much weaker international side.

I think we both have duobts whether Messi could succeed in the BPL, so to counter to your original question - If Messi couldn't succeed in the BPL or any other physical leagues, would that make Ronaldo the best player in the world?

What I can say is I love debating things like this with you guys (JeebaK not included).

 

[Senhor Perfect]

Ronaldo can do it all. The assist argument is silly. No one on RM has the touch that he does. If he has an open chance, of course he should shoot. Crayo made a great point about positioning as well. I can say without a doubt in my mind that if you put Ronaldo at CF on Barca, he would crush Messi's record.

 

[Robbie Coletrain]

I think we both have duobts whether Messi could succeed in the BPL, so to counter to your original question - If Messi couldn't succeed in the BPL or any other physical leagues, would that make Ronaldo the best player in the world?

Not gonna answer the rest simply because I agreed with it all, but in answer to that question, it's very hard to say, I think Messi is the better in the Spanish Leagues, the more technical league imo, whilst I fully believe Ronaldo would be the better out of the two in the BPL, the more physically demanding league, so it's the question of do we hold flair or strength in higher regard, both are phenomenal players and without Messi having played in the BPL it is very hard to say which is superior, it's Messi for me but I can understand how some people say Ronaldo.

Just out of curiosity, do you believe Ronaldo is the better player and so the best player in the world or do you just think he has had the better year?

 

[Robbie Coletrain]

Ronaldo can do it all. The assist argument is silly. No one on RM has the touch that he does. If he has an open chance, of course he should shoot. Crayo made a great point about positioning as well. I can say without a doubt in my mind that if you put Ronaldo at CF on Barca, he would crush Messi's record.

So then that is my point, if he isn't as good at creating chances, and doesn't score as many, two fundamental parts of the game, then what does he do that makes him obviously better than Messi? And that is a very bold statement, which I don't believe is justified at all, I could say if you play Messi at LW he would still score more goals than Ronaldo, neither point has any evidence backing it at all and so can't really be justified imo.

 

[Senhor Perfect]

So then that is my point, if he isn't as good at creating chances, and doesn't score as many, two fundamental parts of the game, then what does he do that makes him obviously better than Messi? And that is a very bold statement, which I don't believe is justified at all, I could say if you play Messi at LW he would still score more goals than Ronaldo, neither point has any evidence backing it at all and so can't really be justified imo.

You could say it, but he doesn't have the physical play to play on the wing. Messi is all finesse. Dont get me wrong, Messi is an outstanding player, but Ronaldo is better. Heading, speed, size, shooting, set plays and one on one's, Ronaldo has the advantage in all of those things IMO. I never said he couldn't create chances, I just said its better for the team for him to try and score himself. when he plays for Portugal, he creates so much.

 

[Crayo]

Ronaldo can do it all. The assist argument is silly. No one on RM has the touch that he does. If he has an open chance, of course he should shoot. Crayo made a great point about positioning as well. I can say without a doubt in my mind that if you put Ronaldo at CF on Barca, he would crush Messi's record.

Disagree with this. LW is by far Ronaldo's best position, he's too big to do what a CF needs to do. Messi's record is amazing, we can't disregard that whether he's with the best midfield ever or not, it's something Ronaldo won't ever achieve at RM. Would Ronaldo achieve it at Barcelona? I think he could maybe, but nah Messi is the best CF in the world.

Not gonna answer the rest simply because I agreed with it all, but in answer to that question, it's very hard to say, I think Messi is the better in the Spanish Leagues, the more technical league imo, whilst I fully believe Ronaldo would be the better out of the two in the BPL, the more physically demanding league, so it's the question of do we hold flair or strength in higher regard, both are phenomenal players and without Messi having played in the BPL it is very hard to say which is superior, it's Messi for me but I can understand how some people say Ronaldo.

Just out of curiosity, do you believe Ronaldo is the better player and so the best player in the world or do you just think he has had the better year?

I don't think it's an issue of strength or flair, because I think they're equal on flair, I honestly do. They just have different talents when it comes down to flair, Messi will run at anyone and beat multiple players, Ronaldo will do the same. Messi will beat his man more consistently but Ronaldo will more than likely do it more spectacularly (best skiller around), they both score a stupid amount of goals but Ronaldo consistently scores in BIG BIG games now, something he didn't do years ago.

Who do I think is the best player in the world? Messi still, Ronaldo just had a better year and deserved that accolade this year. But I think about it like this - If Ronaldo had a better year than Messi in his prime, then they are the TWO best players in the world, there is no #1 imo. I think we are witnessing the two greatest players ever, who possess different talents and you simply can't compare them. The one thing that annoys me is how much media hype there is around Messi, but no one really bothers with Ronaldo as much. Messi can't do NO WRONG by the commentators point of view, you get sick of watching his matches because of how much asslicking goes on. But with Ronaldo they talk about his history with diving and shit like that, when he is a workhorse now and is over that shit.

 

[Crayo]

Senhor, Messi was a world class right winger before he played CF lol.

 

[Senhor Perfect]

Senhor, Messi was a world class right winger before he played CF lol.

RONALDO IS BEST SOCCER! FUCK ALL GUIZE WHO SAYE NO! MESSI WINGING UNCAMPARE TO RONALDO SKILLED!

 

[Crayo]

Lmao that's more like it!

 

[Robbie Coletrain]

You could say it, but he doesn't have the physical play to play on the wing. Messi is all finesse. Dont get me wrong, Messi is an outstanding player, but Ronaldo is better. Heading, speed, size, shooting, set plays and one on one's, Ronaldo has the advantage in all of those things IMO. I never said he couldn't create chances, I just said its better for the team for him to try and score himself. when he plays for Portugal, he creates so much.

He played there for years for Barca and won his first Balon Dor whilst playing there, so he must have been doing something right. How can you say Ronaldo is better at shooting than Messi? He can hit it harder but shooting is about placement as well, Messi never goes for power but just places it into the bottom corner every time, have you ever seen Ronaldo perform some of the chips Messi does? His placement is second to none so he doesn't even need the power Ronaldo has to score consistently. But if Ronaldo's whole job is to score, and he still scores way less than Messi and gets way less assists, then what do those advantages mean? If even with those advantages Messi still scores far more and gets more assists.

 

[Senhor Perfect]

He played there for years for Barca and won his first Balon Dor whilst playing there, so he must have been doing something right. How can you say Ronaldo is better at shooting than Messi? He can hit it harder but shooting is about placement as well, Messi never goes for power but just places it into the bottom corner every time, have you ever seen Ronaldo perform some of the chips Messi does? His placement is second to none so he doesn't even need the power Ronaldo has to score consistently. But if Ronaldo's whole job is to score, and he still scores way less than Messi and gets way less assists, then what do those advantages mean? If even with those advantages Messi still scores far more and gets more assists.

Soccer isn't a one man game like tennis. You cannot say that RM has the same quality core that Barca does. Most of those guys have played together since their teens. I stand by my argument, that if they switched sides Ronaldo would accomplish more. I know its speculation and there's no way to prove it, but its my opinion.