Foreshadowing of reigns future?
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Foreshadowing of Reigns' future? Watch the video below and tell me it doesn't foreshadow the likelihood of Ambrose turning heel and joining The Authority:
Just watch from 5:54 to the end and listen to HHH talk about how the winner of the tournament could be anyone... Kevin Owens, Cesaro, Dolph Ziggler, Alberto Del Rio, even Kalisto... He already covered Roman Reigns throughout the rest of the interview, so of all the ones that have already qualified in the tournament, that leaves only one superstar that he conveniently left out of the list: :ambrose2:
Also, look at the way he worded a few of his sentences:
"It creates an unstable environment where anything can happen..." Unstable, eh?
"Somebody will be crazy enough to take that opportunity"... Hmm, crazy, you say?
"Somebody will do absolutely anything to be the man." Like turning on your own brother-from-another-mother just to become champion?
The main argument against Ambrose is that they've already planted seeds for a feud between him and Kevin Owens over the Intercontinental Championship and have already booked their December house shows with them matched up together on the card. Plus, with the way the tournament is set up, they're most certainly gonna cross paths in the semi-finals, which will be a way of further building onto a more fleshed out rivalry between the two afterwards. Plans do change, however, so we'll see.
Just watch from 5:54 to the end and listen to HHH talk about how the winner of the tournament could be anyone... Kevin Owens, Cesaro, Dolph Ziggler, Alberto Del Rio, even Kalisto... He already covered Roman Reigns throughout the rest of the interview, so of all the ones that have already qualified in the tournament, that leaves only one superstar that he conveniently left out of the list: :ambrose2:
Also, look at the way he worded a few of his sentences:
"It creates an unstable environment where anything can happen..." Unstable, eh?
"Somebody will be crazy enough to take that opportunity"... Hmm, crazy, you say?
"Somebody will do absolutely anything to be the man." Like turning on your own brother-from-another-mother just to become champion?
The main argument against Ambrose is that they've already planted seeds for a feud between him and Kevin Owens over the Intercontinental Championship and have already booked their December house shows with them matched up together on the card. Plus, with the way the tournament is set up, they're most certainly gonna cross paths in the semi-finals, which will be a way of further building onto a more fleshed out rivalry between the two afterwards. Plans do change, however, so we'll see.
Foreshadowing of Reigns' future? Watch the video below and tell me it doesn't foreshadow the likelihood of Ambrose turning heel and joining The Authority:
Just watch from 5:54 to the end and listen to HHH talk about how the winner of the tournament could be anyone... Kevin Owens, Cesaro, Dolph Ziggler, Alberto Del Rio, even Kalisto... He already covered Roman Reigns throughout the rest of the interview, so of all the ones that have already qualified in the tournament, that leaves only one superstar that he conveniently left out of the list: :ambrose2:
Also, look at the way he worded a few of his sentences:
"It creates an unstable environment where anything can happen..." Unstable, eh?
"Somebody will be crazy enough to take that opportunity"... Hmm, crazy, you say?
"Somebody will do absolutely anything to be the man." Like turning on your own brother-from-another-mother just to become champion?
The main argument against Ambrose is that they've already planted seeds for a feud between him and Kevin Owens over the Intercontinental Championship and have already booked their December house shows with them matched up together on the card. Plus, with the way the tournament is set up, they're most certainly gonna cross paths in the semi-finals, which will be a way of further building onto a more fleshed out rivalry between the two afterwards. Plans do change, however, so we'll see.
Awwwww fuck you!!! I was literally just about to post that link!!! I swear on my life!!! I still have a feeling it might be triple h.
Foreshadowing of Reigns' future? Watch the video below and tell me it doesn't foreshadow the likelihood of Ambrose turning heel and joining The Authority:
Just watch from 5:54 to the end and listen to HHH talk about how the winner of the tournament could be anyone... Kevin Owens, Cesaro, Dolph Ziggler, Alberto Del Rio, even Kalisto... He already covered Roman Reigns throughout the rest of the interview, so of all the ones that have already qualified in the tournament, that leaves only one superstar that he conveniently left out of the list: :ambrose2:
Also, look at the way he worded a few of his sentences:
"It creates an unstable environment where anything can happen..." Unstable, eh?
"Somebody will be crazy enough to take that opportunity"... Hmm, crazy, you say?
"Somebody will do absolutely anything to be the man." Like turning on your own brother-from-another-mother just to become champion?
The main argument against Ambrose is that they've already planted seeds for a feud between him and Kevin Owens over the Intercontinental Championship and have already booked their December house shows with them matched up together on the card. Plus, with the way the tournament is set up, they're most certainly gonna cross paths in the semi-finals, which will be a way of further building onto a more fleshed out rivalry between the two afterwards. Plans do change, however, so we'll see.
This is the exact reason I'm leaning towards Reigns. That entire promo was more than obviously talking about Ambrose. Even without the analysis it was overly obvious.
So I would say it is leading you to believe Ambrose turning heel is being foreshadowed but just to throw you off track when it will actually be Reigns. I think it's a red herring.
Exactly what I was thinking
The Rock thing was a bit of a swerve because he was getting really popular and had animosity with Vince. This time around it's HHH and Reigns and Reigns has animosity with HHH. The obvious choice in 98 was the crazy Mankind and the obvious choice now is the crazy Ambrose. But you actually ended up getting the Rock in 1998 and 17 years later, I think you'll get Reigns.I think 17 years is long enough for Vince to assume he can repeat an idea safely.
It also fits more into Ambrose's character narrative of being unable to trust people. And Roman has a form of heat with the crowd still that they would be smart to play to by actually making him getting heat be the intended purpose of his character.Exactly what I was thinking
I think 17 years is long enough for Vince to assume he can repeat an idea safely.
I couldn't agree more. I wouldn't be surprised if the Authority even tries to make it look more like Ambrose is their choice on the upcoming Raw and somehow at the PPV.
Ambrose losing Reigns would also really mess with Ambrose's mind too. It'll add a lot to his already still popular character to set up Reigns vs Ambrose. Ambrose turning on Reigns won't really boost Reigns' popularity though in my opinion.
And Ambrose turning heel on Reigns isn't going to get him booed. A lot of fans still want to boo Reigns. So anyone doing anything to him is going to get a positive reaction from a sizable chunk of the crowd. Turning on Ambrose on the other hand....
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To us. But to the casual fans (who more often than not are usually simpletons), I don't see why they would conclude it was foreshadowing Ambrose since it wasn't particularly spelled out for them and there's been no other strong on-screen hints of him turning otherwise. At best, they probably either think it's still foreshadowing Reigns or, more likely, that it isn't foreshadowing anything but simply playing off the animosity between Reigns and HHH.
I don't even really want Ambrose to make the turn. I mean, yeah, it'd be something fresh and would get my attention, but the end goal would be to put over Reigns in the end, which would feel awkward for both parties considering Ambrose will only become more over if he turned on Roman.
The idea behind recreating Survivor Series 1998 would be the most logical route to take (especially as it would create so many fresh programs for a heel Reigns to partake in... Dean Ambrose, babyface Seth Rollins, John Cena, Randy Orton, Daniel Bryan, Brock Lesnar, maybe even Undertaker and/or Kane, etc.), but I lack the appropriate faith that WWE will actually put the trigger on it, especially since it means they would be putting the machine behind Ambrose (at least for the time being) and I don't buy them doing that at this time.
I love how the last 2 tournaments have been.
Dusty Rhodes Classic: "Oooh Joe's gonna turn heel... wait, what if Finn does? That would be cool! OH OH OH OH! The Rhodes's can attack the winners! Maybe Corbin and Rhyno will attack Joe and we get a new heel faction! Oh, the possibilities!"
Actual Result: "The best team wins"
This: "Reigns wins LOL"
Sticking with my guns on this. Honestly going into this tournament, I thought that Reigns winning as a heel wasn't just the right choice, it was the only choice. If Reigns just wins as a face, not only will he be massively hated, but he will have very few good opponents. He and Sheamus could have good matches together, I guess, but no buys. I doubt Wyatt will really go in the title picture, and don't even think about ADR... There's Big Show and Kane! Yay!
The issue, though, is I don't see if Reigns can work as a heel. It kinda reminds me - can't believe I'm comparing THESE two - of the Jeff Hardy heel turn. Great character, but Jeff is all about the crowd-pleasing highspots. Take away the Superman Punches and Drive-Bys and will he still be able to put on good performances?
With Ambrose? Turning him heel would be really dumb, imo. His character works too well as a face. If you look at the last three big stars they've created - Bryan, Zayn, Bayley - he's the most like them. People seem to want more realistic, relatable guys to cheer for and he comes across as a much more likable character, plus he has the story elements to make people WANT to see him succeed already. With Roman it's just a conversation about backstage sentiments and magic beans.
The good parts of an Ambrose turn are A: a push, B: him doing the long boring 20 minute promos instead of Roman, and C: unexplored possibilities. Plus he'd surely work fine as a heel with his kick/stomp offense
And... hey, as the Smackdown reviewer, I love them always giving him multiple backstage segments. You'd think Renee really liked the guy or something.
Having Reigns win the title to feud with Ambrose as the face would not be putting the machine behind Ambrose anymore than it was when Ambrose feuded with Rollins for the belt.
But I agree that the one thing that works against what I proposed is WWE doing the logical thing. They recently have more of a tendency to shoot themselves in the foot than anything else.
I agree with this for the most part.
If Reigns wins in a clean sweep, it'll backfire. There's no way it wouldn't, especially if he ended up in the finals against Ambrose and won clean.
They should do what it was done back at SS in '98 with The Rock. The upside of Reigns winning the whole thing clean is... Well, I don't see any.
Plus, the contenders for his WWE-WHC would be underwhelming for the most part.
Reigns can work as a heel. It's not rocket science. Plus, his main gripe would be with the fans, so if he turned heel, he should just troll 'em and make 'em have a hard time watching him perform. (see: NJPW's Tetsuya Naito) For some reason, I am way too optimistic about Roman's heel turn.
I'd love for Ambrose to turn heel. The only downside to it is that he'd still get cheered over Reigns and the machine sure as hell doesn't want that.
WWE likes to repeat itself and Rock did his second heel turn which at Survivor Series. It was this heel run that eventually led to his run as one of the most popular faces in history. I have no doubt WWE will try this again with Reigns.
And yes, before anyone tries to correct me, I KNOW Reigns isn't as good a talker as Rock. That's irrelevant though in this situation because what matters is that WWF wanted Rock as a top guy and WWE wants Reigns as a top guy. So That's all that matters as to whether they'll turn Reigns or not.
It's like MITB this year. Roman was the star of that match, whenever he started bodyslamming dudes he was awesome. When he threw Kofi into that ladder people loved him. People even loved his typical spots, but the minute he started climbing that ladder, BOOOOOOO.
Just hope that wouldn't be all he has in him, Balor. That's why I like the Corporate Reigns idea so much - despite this Authority crap long since running its course - was that he could cut promos about what he wants and how he did whatever it took and how selling out was the best thing he ever did instead of just forced promos about telling the fans to suck it and whatever, although it probably would be wonderful to hear him cut one promo like when Rock initially turned heel and took out his frustration with the Die Rocky Die chant, haha
(Is that on the Network? Does anyone know?)
But is he as good a talker as Rocky Maivia?... probably not, lol. But I can't imagine after Fumble at the Rumble 2: Electric Bugaboo that Rock didn't go up to Vince and say "eh ol pal, remember how Rocky Maivia turned out? It's happening again, dude."
Just hope that wouldn't be all he has in him, Balor. That's why I like the Corporate Reigns idea so much - despite this Authority crap long since running its course - was that he could cut promos about what he wants and how he did whatever it took and how selling out was the best thing he ever did instead of just forced promos about telling the fans to suck it and whatever, although it probably would be wonderful to hear him cut one promo like when Rock initially turned heel and took out his frustration with the Die Rocky Die chant, haha
(Is that on the Network? Does anyone know?)
But is he as good a talker as Rocky Maivia?... probably not, lol. But I can't imagine after Fumble at the Rumble 2: Electric Bugaboo that Rock didn't go up to Vince and say "eh ol pal, remember how Rocky Maivia turned out? It's happening again, dude."