Five Years On...

[PHX]

I've never said he did it in cold blood or ignoring the whole brain issue I'm saying either way I don't care I'm not using it to defend him and I'm not gonna overlook it.

 

[Blujay]

What he did was wrong, no matter the state of mind. It's been five years. I want to watch classic Benoit matches now. You know they've still got him in the library just in case there's a way to make money down the road. I just want to see his matches. That's all. I'm not saying praise him in the WWE as the greatest of all time. Mentioning him winning the Rumble at #1 would be nice, but for fuck's sake, don't remove the matches he's had with present and future hall of famers. Not everything is on Youtube. Jericho, Booker T, HBK, HHH, Big Show, Kane, Taker, Christian, Edge, etc. have all had Benoit as a big part of their careers at some point. Don't brag him up or anything, just let me watch his matches.

 

[EffectsofRaven]

Man, you guys would make a terrible jury lol.

The directive are there a reason, atleast over here. But the point I was trying to bring up was that Benoit did it, but there may have been many reasons behind it, and on the presumption and who commits a murder is just wrong is wrong in itself. There is a reason for defenses, not to say they didn't do it, but to prevent for suffering a more serve punishment than is reasonable.

So us throwing labels around is quite unjust itself.

 

[Prodigy]

My biggest question is, why didn't himself, or anyone around him ask for help?

 

[Deezy]

My biggest question is, why did himself, or anyone around him ask for help?

Because the guy was very private outside of the ring and locker room.

Chris Jericho's book summed it up the best. He was like the Loch Ness monster and would only surface as much. He wouldn't discuss major problems and would bottle up his feelings and use his workouts and ring time to take out his emotions.

Also, Benoit already punished himself by not wanting to face up to his actions, if I wasn't an atheist I would have a good idea as to where he is now.

 

[PHX]

Man, you guys would make a terrible jury lol.

The directive are there a reason, atleast over here. But the point I was trying to bring up was that Benoit did it, but there may have been many reasons behind it, and on the presumption and who commits a murder is just wrong is wrong in itself. There is a reason for defenses, not to say they didn't do it, but to prevent for suffering a more serve punishment than is reasonable.

So us throwing labels around is quite unjust itself.

Based on what? Just because I refuse to have the mindset of oh well he killed a woman and a child while being drugged up which he was who cares he was a great wrestler? We don't ignore stuff others do outside the ring good or bad whether it be how great a guy Cena is or how much of a douchebag HBK was back in the day, etc so why ignore this? Like I said I'm not ignoring any facts on the matter that we know of that's what I'm going on and at the end of the day I'm not defending what he did I don't care what his mindstate was just because he was a great wrestler.

 

[EffectsofRaven]

I never mentioned him as a wrestler when I was actually talking about the motivates?

Any lawyer would have to set any biases they have aside, and so would a jury? Everyone has this notion that they can have subjective opinion when it becomes to deciding whether someone has the mentality of Murder 1 or Murder 2.

It's the idea of "I don't give a fuck" and that why wrong convictions happen, because people don't want to be objective, they just want to be biased and subjective.

 

[The Cork]

So he was able to call into work, saying there had been a 'family emergency' and he wouldn't be able to attend the PPV, but he didn't know killing his kid was a naughty thing to do.

I don't buy it at all, and the 'diminished responsibility' line is a huge copout IMO.

 

[Doink]

To all you saying he wasn't in the frame of mind, did he not come out at the PPV (Vengeance I think it was) and say he has personal issues. Then a couple of days later he killed Nancy and the kid. To me that screams pre planned.

 

[Chris]

To all you saying he wasn't in the frame of mind, did he not come out at the PPV (Vengeance I think it was) and say he has personal issues. Then a couple of days later he killed Nancy and the kid. To me that screams pre planned.

That's not right, the PPV was on Sunday and he called in saying he wouldn't make the live events that weekend, but (I believe) he said he'd be at the PPV. He said Nancy and Daniel had food poisoning. The news broke that they were all three found dead before Vengeance even started I thought.

 

[Defiant]

I hate to break it to you guys but:

1) NO ONE is beyond such acts of evil, we all have the capacity. Anyone who believes in inherently evil people are people you cannot have this discussion with. You, me or anyone else cannot say with any certainty that under the same circumstances, mental state and substances, you would never do something so low. Please exercise some empathy and examine the factors before dismissing it all as a "copout to justify murder". Stop being so black and white on what is clearly a morally grey area for most.

2) Benoit isn't in hell, no one is.

The man is still accountable for his actions and the family is still gone. But I prefer to remember the Chris Benoit that gave me close to two decades of memories and matches, rather than the emotionally fragile man I've never met who snapped in the final moments of his life.

Oh, and just because there was some calculation or pre-meditation involved doesn't make Benoit sane. The man had dementia, not retardation.

 

[Kiffy Lube]

I can vouch that Benoit isn't in hell. He's had a series of awesome matches recently tagging with Eddie Guerrero against Owen Hart and Yokozuna. Even if you all don't believe me when it comes to Afterlife Promotions.