Fav & least Gimmick PPV?

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RR is my favourite as it works well.
HIAC is awful as people say it ruined what HIAC was about it just doesnt work in the PG era.

HBK and Taker managed it easily enough, it's nothing to do with being PG its having a proper build so there is a meaning to the cell match, you don't need anything which breaks the PG banner to tell a good story. What would you say is required as a none pg moment to make a great cell match actually?

 

[Leo C]

The problem with the HIAC PPV is not PG, the problem is the fact that the first matches of a feud end up being HIAC. It's like "well, it's that time of the year again, here we go with the most vicious match ever for you guys who have been feuding for a month" instead of "ok, you've tried to kill each other for months now, here's a cell, have fun!" the way it should be. Henry/Orton? Orton/Sheamus? Punk/Ryback? Were any of those feuds worthy of such a high-profile gimmick match? No, but it still happened. That's what's wrong.

 

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The problem with the HIAC PPV is not PG, the problem is the fact that the first matches of a feud end up being HIAC. It's like "well, it's that time of the year again, here we go with the most vicious match ever for you guys who have been feuding for a month" instead of "ok, you've tried to kill each other for months now, here's a cell, have fun!" the way it should be. Henry/Orton? Orton/Sheamus? Punk/Ryback? Were any of those feuds worthy of such a high-profile gimmick match? No, but it still happened. That's what's wrong.

I'd kind of say the dynamic for Punk Ryback worked, you have a champion who complains about a lack of respect from the company who is then forced to face a dominant monster with no chance of escape. I'm reading too much into the psychological build though, especially Punks selling of his fear.

 

[Leo C]

I'd kind of say the dynamic for Punk Ryback worked, you have a champion who complains about a lack of respect from the company who is then forced to face a dominant monster with no chance of escape. I'm reading too much into the psychological build though, especially Punks selling of his fear.

True, I'll give you that that one in particular made sense, but the main point is that it's not the fact that a rivalry has reached its boiling point after months of brutality which causes a HIAC match to happen, but now it's just the fact that it's time for the PPV, and many times it's not even the blow off match for the feud.

 

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True, I'll give you that that one in particular made sense, but the main point is that it's not the fact that a rivalry has reached its boiling point after months of brutality which causes a HIAC match to happen, but now it's just the fact that it's time for the PPV, and many times it's not even the blow off match for the feud.

I completely agree with this though, when was the last one where it was actually used when needed? Edge vs Taker at SS 08 springs to mind.

 

[Leo C]

I completely agree with this though, when was the last one where it was actually used when needed? Edge vs Taker at SS 08 springs to mind.

Yeah, HHH vs Taker also made sense I think even though they didn't use the cage a lot. Edge/Taker at 08 was awesome and HIAC was the perfect match.

 

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I feel like a prat forgetting that one now #ThanksLeomiz

 

[BaraaKhalaf92]

The main reason why HIAC is not like it was years before, is definitely the build factor...

Back in the old days , HIAC matches were only to end feuds that has been epic, now its just a match in a feud :sad:

The PG era also has something to do with it in a way, as you can no longer see the brutal bloody battles that you used to see.

 

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You can bleed under a PG banner, Cena did during his feud with Brock.

 

[Lockard 23]

I've always thought the HIAC match was overrated. It's just a normal hardcore match, only inside a cell, but it's not like the cell has barb wire or electric currents running through it. The most dangerous spots of a cell match is when someone gets thrown off the top of it, but you're not even supposed to be able to escape the cell in the first place! If anything, the cell makes it safer than a normal hardcore match because it means you can't be thrown off the ramp or anything.

 

[BaraaKhalaf92]

You can bleed under a PG banner, Cena did during his feud with Brock.

Yes but not as back 10 years ago.tunga:

 

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Yes but not as back 10 years ago.tunga:

So that's all down to PG and not the potential for infection or any other issue caused by excess blood loss?

 

[BaraaKhalaf92]

So that's all down to PG and not the potential for infection or any other issue caused by excess blood loss?

Well you got a point there, but isn't the PG rating the thing that prevents them from showing blood on TV?

 

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Well you got a point there, but isn't the PG rating the thing that prevents them from showing blood on TV?

Not as far as I know, just checked on wiki and you can show corpses under PG apparently so I don't see blood being an issue.

 

[BaraaKhalaf92]

Not as far as I know, just checked on wiki and you can show corpses under PG apparently so I don't see blood being an issue.

WOW I always thought there is a connection between the 2 tbh, guess I was wrong :