He was the ultimate package, and the one they should have marketed towards the mexican demographic they're trying to lure in for ratings and cash flow purposes. Because Rey Mysterio can't talk on the mic and doesn't have a shred of acting ability in him.
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I hope so, because I'm getting ready to say that Eddie Guerrero was a selfish egotistical jerk who sold out his own family for fame and success.
Eddie Guerrero was a selfish egotistical jerk who sold out his own family for fame and success.
See? I told you.
It sickens me to see how people glorify Eddie Guerrero and then crucify Chris Benoit, when at the core, they both did essentially the same things. In their attempt to become famous and rich, they sold out their family and their own bodies. Then, they ruined the lives of the people they supposedly loved, and caused them immense amounts of pain and suffering.
I still don't understand how Eddie can be loved for being a complete jerk. But, I guess since he was a little guy wrestler, he can do no wrong, right?
Airfixx
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^^^That's an awfully blinkered point of view... Watch any shoot interview... Virtually EVERYONE goes on about feeding their family and providing for their kids future. Most guys grab the $$$s while they can because they don't know how long they have until their bubble of popularity may bursts, they get a career terminating injury etc. etc.
Fans didn't get to know Eddie G THE PERSON - Whether they realise it or not, what they miss is the entertainment he gave them.
Alternatively, look at it this way... Take Ike Turner for instance... He's is/was a notorious wife-beater... Doesn't mean to say his music hasn't affected people over the years and IMO it takes an extremely reactionary, fickle mind to suddenly deny the impact that said artist may have had on their life.
Another case in point... Read about what legendary music producer, Phil Spector, got up to..... Doesn't stop him being heralded as a legend in his field.
Fans didn't get to know Eddie G THE PERSON - Whether they realise it or not, what they miss is the entertainment he gave them.
Alternatively, look at it this way... Take Ike Turner for instance... He's is/was a notorious wife-beater... Doesn't mean to say his music hasn't affected people over the years and IMO it takes an extremely reactionary, fickle mind to suddenly deny the impact that said artist may have had on their life.
Another case in point... Read about what legendary music producer, Phil Spector, got up to..... Doesn't stop him being heralded as a legend in his field.
Nothing you said here even remotely disputes what I said. At the end of the day, he was a selfish egotistical jerk who sold out his family and his body for fame, money, and success.
Let's use your Ike Turner example. When you hear the name Ike Turner, what do most people think of? They think of the woman beater first. When we talk about Barry Bonds, how often do we discuss HIS drug use? When we read about those who owned slaves, what do we think of? How horrible those people must have been. And yes, at the risk of a Godwin's Law invocation, when we think of the Nazi's, what's our first thought?
So, why is it when we think of Eddie Guerrero, we ignore the fact he was a druggie who sold out himself and his family? Because he entertained us? Are we really that shallow?
Airfixx
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^^^The crux of what I'm debating is whether or not he sold his family out. I don't know the TRUE E.G. (nor does your goodself), but all available evidence paints a picture a guy who grew up in a wrestling family, was wrestling from about the age of 16, and put his body (and psyche) through hell to provide for their future knowing that he probably had no other skills/trade to fall back on.
In response to your last para', no, I'm not saying that we ignore it, I just believe that his 'artistic' legacy (and Benoit's for that matter) can be (and that a rational minded person should be able to be) appreciated independent of what their personal/business lives were like. You're bringing up Nazi's is way off target IMO (the pro's and con's of the Nazi's are all directly derived from their policies... More appropriate to the context would be to cite that whilst a Nazi, Hitler was still regarded as a gifted painter which goes some way to once again illustrate my take on this matter.)
As for Barry Bonds.... Sorry, dunno who he is... I'm guessing he's a disgraced U.S. sporting hero of some description? (I'll wiki 'im when I get a mo'.)
(When I previously said "Fans didn't get to know Eddie G THE PERSON - Whether they realise it or not, what they miss is the entertainment he gave them." it was simply a response to yourself as a summization of the actual mindset a lot of your comments were a responding to.)
Edit: Screw the Ike Turner example... There's one closer to 'home'... Randy Savage... You think the abuse he supposedly subjected Elizabeth to played ANY part in here eventual demise?
...Has Savages legacy been tarnished?
No, he is remembered for having argually the best match ever televised.
In response to your last para', no, I'm not saying that we ignore it, I just believe that his 'artistic' legacy (and Benoit's for that matter) can be (and that a rational minded person should be able to be) appreciated independent of what their personal/business lives were like. You're bringing up Nazi's is way off target IMO (the pro's and con's of the Nazi's are all directly derived from their policies... More appropriate to the context would be to cite that whilst a Nazi, Hitler was still regarded as a gifted painter which goes some way to once again illustrate my take on this matter.)
As for Barry Bonds.... Sorry, dunno who he is... I'm guessing he's a disgraced U.S. sporting hero of some description? (I'll wiki 'im when I get a mo'.)
(When I previously said "Fans didn't get to know Eddie G THE PERSON - Whether they realise it or not, what they miss is the entertainment he gave them." it was simply a response to yourself as a summization of the actual mindset a lot of your comments were a responding to.)
Edit: Screw the Ike Turner example... There's one closer to 'home'... Randy Savage... You think the abuse he supposedly subjected Elizabeth to played ANY part in here eventual demise?
...Has Savages legacy been tarnished?
No, he is remembered for having argually the best match ever televised.
That's fine. Good for him. But did he have to take drugs? Abuse steroids? Abuse painkillers? No, he didn't. He did that for wealth and success. He could have made a nice living as he was, but he sold his his family for greater glory.
But, it's not. People here "miss" Eddie Guerrero, RIP for him, etc. That's not his entertainment value, that's his personal life. The fact that Eddie is FAR more popular dead than alive speaks testaments to my point. And it's ridiculousness.
He may be regarded as a gifted painter...but when you hear "Hitler", what's the first thing you think of? A painter? Or a Nazi leader who led the extermination of the Jews?
But, when you think Eddie Guerrero, do you think druggie scumbag, or entertainer? That's my point.
They don't miss the entertainment. Eddie was no more entertaining than the majority of the guys they have today. But, since he died, people want to pretend he was greater than he really was.
It's the Owen Hart effect.
I've never heard of Savage being abusive. I've heard he was way overprotective, but not abusive.
And do I think that had a part in it? Nope. Not a bit.
Wow, that last post made me feel a little sick in side, you do realize sometimes the only way to succeed in the buisness is by drugging it up right? And its not like Eddie just used roids and got big. He worked his ass off and got to where he was because he earned it, something your two ignorant to understand. As for you comment about him selling out his family.... wow, that is really asanine. Eddie rose to the top, and represented and constantly respected the Guererro name. The man had some problems sure, but that does not take away from how special of a worker and person he was. So please, if you don't like him, leave it out of a thread with a video like that, because its going to get more than just me worked up
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This is a joke right?
The irony in you calling me ignorant, in the same sentence you use the wrong form of the word "to" is just incedible.
And no, of course you don't just use roids and get big. But steroids give you the MEANS and ENERGY to work out harder and get big.
AAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
See Airfixx? This kind of ridiculousness is what I was talking about. What's asinine about it Junior? The fact that I'm right? Do you even know what asinine means, or are you just proud of the fact you could put a word in a sentence that had the "ass" word in it?
Airfixx
Guest
Touché... I can't say I've come accross such a stong reaction before, but aside from this forum I am largely secluded from fan-culture.
I still don't understand those of whom who are unable to seperate the artistic legacy of EG-Wrestler/'Actor' from EG-The Man/the addict (Same as Benoit, Kurt Cobain, John Bonham etc.; the list of those who left families behind when their 'demons' got the better of them goes on and on....).