Dolph Ziggler's thoughts on the part time debate

[Aids Johnson]

Think you're new to the IWC. He's in no way shape or form the IWC darling any more. I'm not going to out Punk haters, even though you're a self-confessed one, but they are as bad as Punk marks. Regardless of the number ratio between them, hating on Punk for no reason is the same as overrating Punk or loving him for no reason. In some ways it's worse. If you dislike a performer, then don't involve yourself so heavily with him. You constantly feel the need to enter every Punk thread and hate on him, why? Are you jealous? Does it bother you that he is liked?

You have some great points. For me it isn't about him being liked, it's about me enjoying a superstar ready to call people out. At the end of his run it seemed to be ALL he was on stage for, 3 times a raw, recap'd on smackdown, and all preview to the PPV. It ruined the pipebomb for me.

I was a huge hater, but him taking a break and not being champion will give me a chance to enjoy the character again when he comes back. It's like the opposite of Swag. Punk was winning, bitching, cheating to win, hating, winning by luck, shitting on db, somehow magically pulling off another, and it was almost like a better version of how Orton's RKO works every single match.

 

[Irwin R. Schyster]

I don't think you can compare it with Hogan's rehiring of older talent, because Brock and Rock aren't exactly old and are both in great shape, and are still HUGE draws. They need to be used to make the younger talent become main event guys, and they're simply not doing that, so I can understand why guys like Ziggler & Punk are frustrated. They work a lot of dates and get no credit for good ratings or good buy rates, and then the main spots on the biggest show(s) are taken by guys who aren't putting hours in on house shows etc.

It's a half and half thing.

I wasn't completely comparing it, I was just saying it kinda reminded me of it. Hogan put the younger guys back in the shadows while his friends were all over the TV. The WWE obviously hasn't gone as far as pushing guys like Ziggler and Punk completely out, however, they are indeed using these part time guys as most of their fuel for the show. What a thrill for current talent to be able to headline the biggest show of the year....instead of basically being thrown behind The Rock...again....in yet another snooze of a match between him and Cena.

Just my opinion, anyway. I like to see different guys get a chance to climb the ladder and make a name for themselves because these are the guys who will be the future when the older guys are finished.

 

[Swift]

Think you're new to the IWC. He's in no way shape or form the IWC darling any more. I'm not going to out Punk haters, even though you're a self-confessed one, but they are as bad as Punk marks. Regardless of the number ratio between them, hating on Punk for no reason is the same as overrating Punk or loving him for no reason. In some ways it's worse. If you dislike a performer, then don't involve yourself so heavily with him. You constantly feel the need to enter every Punk thread and hate on him, why? Are you jealous? Does it bother you that he is liked? What is your actual problem? If his fans annoy you, then ignore them, or correct the wrong things they say (if they're actually wrong and not opinions), but disliking a performer because of the fans is immature at best.

Eh, not from what I've seen. I guess we're looking at different parts of the internet or something. Or maybe I'm just Blue.

I actually don't look for his threads and h8, well, unless I just feel like being a dick or feel like "trolololzing". It's not like I lurk around the internet and bash him whenever I get a chance lol. Also, I don't dislike him because of his fans (even though they are annoying as shit), he just doesn't do much for me personally. Never been much of a fan to begin with. His ''pipebombs'' don't get me wet and his matches whilst being good don't have me marking (save a few).
Not sure if your Q's were directed at me or just in general, but felt like answering 'em anyway.

 

[Swift]

Oh and I consider myself a "h8r" only because he annoys me more than anything, just like how I'm a Miz, Chavo or Ryback 'h8r'. Doesn't mean I spend a whole lot of time "h8ing" 'em and I do have my reasons, it's not just blind "h8" (not really hate to begin with if we want to get all technical, not like I'm going to murder them).

 

[Crayo]

I wasn't completely comparing it, I was just saying it kinda reminded me of it. Hogan put the younger guys back in the shadows while his friends were all over the TV. The WWE obviously hasn't gone as far as pushing guys like Ziggler and Punk completely out, however, they are indeed using these part time guys as most of their fuel for the show. What a thrill for current talent to be able to headline the biggest show of the year....instead of basically being thrown behind The Rock...again....in yet another snooze of a match between him and Cena.

Just my opinion, anyway. I like to see different guys get a chance to climb the ladder and make a name for themselves because these are the guys who will be the future when the older guys are finished.

I agree with you. For most of them it's probably demoralizing, but they have to put up with it because WWE is a machine and a huge global business. The best thing to do is take motivation from it and try harder to impress. It does put more eyes on the product so it does give you a huge chance to grow your fanbase. Imagine how going over Rock or Brock would progress someone's career, yet we have to put up with dream matches and then dream matches rematches.

Eh, not from what I've seen. I guess we're looking at different parts of the internet or something. Or maybe I'm just Blue.

I actually don't look for his threads and h8, well, unless I just feel like being a dick or feel like "trolololzing". It's not like I lurk around the internet and bash him whenever I get a chance lol. Also, I don't dislike him because of his fans (even though they are annoying as shit), he just doesn't do much for me personally. Never been much of a fan to begin with. His ''pipebombs'' don't get me wet and his matches whilst being good don't have me marking (save a few).
Not sure if your Q's were directed at me or just in general, but felt like answering 'em anyway.

Fair enough. I don't care if Punk haters hate him for legitimate reasons, but I don't agree with going into random threads and bashing Punk or his marks for no reason (which I have seen you do). The fact that the guy is so popular shows that he is doing something right imo.

 

[Donald Trump_]

Nobody should disagree with having legends on the show, it's making the show more entertaining and more watchable, guys like HHH, Brock, Taker and Rock definitely brings something that no one on the current roster can bring.

The problem with me is that they shouldn't rely so much on them, The Rock main eventing 3 WMs (yes including WMXXX)) in a row is too much imo, and his spot should be used to put some young talent over,
Part times coming back for limited appearances is without a doubt good for business, but for them to main event shows and win titles, it's definitely too much imo.

THIS

 

[Swift]

Fair enough. I don't care if Punk haters hate him for legitimate reasons, but I don't agree with going into random threads and bashing Punk or his marks for no reason (which I have seen you do). The fact that the guy is so popular shows that he is doing something right imo.

Only because there are so many fucking threads about him and I like to piss off the marks every now and then hehe. Also, if I'm in a discussion thread during his segment I'll obviously voice my opinion which I guess can come off as "hating".

But really, I don't spend all that much time hating on him. I see comment on Youtube from people who purposely look up the video/artist just to hate and argue with people. I don't go that far lol, but if a thread pops up and if I thought his segment was shit I'll most likely let ya'll know.

 

[Swift]

Or I'll ''troll'' and just be a douche :urm:

 

[Jose Tortilla]

Great interview.

Dude tells it how it is, but with respect.

Good job.

 

[Dat Kid1]

This is the way to react to legends coming back. To compare him to the two other wrestlers who have commented on this recently (Punk and Miz) Punk seems too bitter whilst Miz seems to be a bit too much of a fanboy (but who wouldn't when given the chance to work with Flair?). Dolph seems to be in the perfect middle ground. Both annoyed but positive about it as well as motivated.

It's nice for Dolph to say that but he has to be better than what he is. Great in the ring, but he leaves more to be desired from his mic skills, granted they've been better, but it's not where it needs to be. Nice to see his mind is in the right place though.

 

[Mustafar Reginald]

I've said it before and I'll say it again, Dolph has the best attitude when it comes to wrestling in my opinion. Love checking out his interviews. As for the Punk comments this thread tapped upon, yeah I'm avoiding all that. I've expressed my feelings on Punk well enough on here prior, and not much has actually changed since that post.