Dolph Ziggler - Underused

[Crash]

I just think he should leave the WWE, I'm curious to see if he can do like CJ Parker and become a decent mid-carder or even a main-eventer in NJPW, TNA or ROH. The dude got the potential and the abilities, his time with WWE is done, he will never evolve character(or WWE won't let him). Time to go somewhere else and taste the water become an asset and do something more creative with your career.

 

[Derek G]

Ziggler is fine at what he does, but what he does is, for lack of a better term, shit. He's an above average worker, mediocre on the mic, and is doing the same thing he was half a decade ago.

People will talk about how Cena never evolved in his tenure, but Dolph has never changed. Yeah, he's turned heel and face multiple times, but he's never done anything to freshen his act. He returned from a small hiatus and his character is...The same heel character, but he dresses up in wacky gear to mock other legends.

Dolph is dead in the water, but at the same time, he's a prime example of what's wrong with WWE as a whole.

Totally agree, he needs to go to the indys, make a name of himself and WWE begs him to come back

 

[Ginothony Bamtano]

Totally agree, he needs to go to the indys, make a name of himself and WWE begs him to come back

No. That won't happen. If Dolph ever leaves, I can say will full confidence that he will never come back. Dolph is already a name. He has a very big fanbase that will follow him wherever he goes. If he leaves WWE, he will never go back, and they'll never beg for him to come back.

 

[SWL]

if Dolph leaves WWE, literally nothing will change about him. He won't change his moveset, his character or his looks. People wanna point fingers towards WWE for not giving him a chance to do that but the dude had several chances at re-inventing himself by going to the higher ups and requesting new things for his character, but he didn't do it. Even his current gimmick is basically "you want me to change, but I won't" which is literally the reason as to why he's so irrelevant right now. Take a look at someone like Jericho. Manlike Jericho came up with new shit for his character every season yet Ziggler has been the same since 2013. At times I just feel like he doesn't even care about what he's doing, so why should I?

And after all these years the only real argument pro-Ziggler people have left is: he's a great wrestler. How? Look at the current roster.. look at what the people at NJPW are doing. Dolph's nowhere near to that. Don't get me wrong, I was a big Ziggler follower back in 2012-early 2013 but due to the fact that he hasn't changed his in-ring psychology with shit like "I'll go for the zigzag and you'll grab on to the ropes" in over 7-8 years now, he just stands in the shadow of people like AJ Styles, Seth Rollins, Cesaro, Sami Zayn, the Usos or even Sasha Banks just to name a few. A couple years ago, I would have most likely agreed to him being one of their bigger talents but as of now, they're just too stacked with way better people.

so my overall takeaway from this is that the company did stop pushing him for unknown reasons but it was his responsibility to pick himself up and try something different. Instead of that, he tried to hang onto whatever was left of "the show off" and now we're here

 

[Derek G]

if Dolph leaves WWE, literally nothing will change about him. He won't change his moveset, his character or his looks. People wanna point fingers towards WWE for not giving him a chance to do that but the dude had several chances at re-inventing himself by going to the higher ups and requesting new things for his character, but he didn't do it. Even his current gimmick is basically "you want me to change, but I won't" which is literally the reason as to why he's so irrelevant right now. Take a look at someone like Jericho. Manlike Jericho came up with new shit for his character every season yet Ziggler has been the same since 2013. At times I just feel like he doesn't even care about what he's doing, so why should I?

And after all these years the only real argument pro-Ziggler people have left is: he's a great wrestler. How? Look at the current roster.. look at what the people at NJPW are doing. Dolph's nowhere near to that. Don't get me wrong, I was a big Ziggler follower back in 2012-early 2013 but due to the fact that he hasn't changed his in-ring psychology with shit like "I'll go for the zigzag and you'll grab on to the ropes" in over 7-8 years now, he just stands in the shadow of people like AJ Styles, Seth Rollins, Cesaro, Sami Zayn, the Usos or even Sasha Banks just to name a few. A couple years ago, I would have most likely agreed to him being one of their bigger talents but as of now, they're just too stacked with way better people.

so my overall takeaway from this is that the company did stop pushing him for unknown reasons but it was his responsibility to pick himself up and try something different. Instead of that, he tried to hang onto whatever was left of "the show off" and now we're here

Hi there, correct me if I am wrong, I always thought that a wrestler's character is determined by the booker ( unless you have the creative control clause in your contract, as far as I know only wrestlers like hulk hogan/ kevin nash/the rock and bret hart ( reasonable creative control) had it).

Of cause you can make suggestions about your in ring persona but at the end of the day, the decision still lies with the upper management.

For example, look at the rock, when he first appeared as a babyface, he was this goodie two shoes and fans just did not care. Things had a big turn when the upper management listened to his suggestions and let him go loose in the ring saying whatever he wants ( the best example was the "birthday" segment he had with Mick Foley).

I have great faith in DZ that he can be the rock( just my opinion only) as he's good on the mic and yes, I think he has better skill sets than the Rock.

 

[Ginothony Bamtano]

I have great faith in DZ that he can be the rock( just my opinion only) as he's good on the mic and yes, I think he has better skill sets than the Rock.

 

[SWL]

Hi there, correct me if I am wrong, I always thought that a wrestler's character is determined by the booker ( unless you have the creative control clause in your contract, as far as I know only wrestlers like hulk hogan/ kevin nash/the rock and bret hart ( reasonable creative control) had it).

the bookers decide who wins and loses and who's in which matches. And that's what all those names like Hogan and Nash misused. That's something that won't happen again tho. As far as saying who has control of the characters. Everything runs by Vince and if he disagrees with it, then that's not gonna happen but for something to run by Vince, there has to be someone to come up with it. And the wrestler himself always has the chance to walk into an office and go "this is what I'd like to do" or "this is what I came up with". At times the writers or higher ups come up with something themselves and then present it to the wrestlers and if the wrestlers agree, it's a done deal.

Dolph Ziggler probably never went to the office and said "I'd like to do this for a change" and that's what I was getting at here. Turning the Rock heel was something they had to do if they wanted to move forward with him but he himself made it work by becoming.. you know.. the Rock. The man, Dwayne Johnson, himself made sure that rocky maivia turned into the Rock. The company themselves never told him what to say or to do, it was up to him once they turned him to evolve as a character. When they turned Ziggler, he did nothing with it

 

[Pop Tatari]

Ass cape clown

 

[Black Wizard]

I think he has better skill sets than the Rock.

Not even close.

 

[Derek G]

Not even close.

I disagree ( again , in my opinion only), just curious why you think that way?

DZ is agile as hell, can sell moves ( sometimes too well, making himself looks very weak), moves like fame asser( sorry , don't know how to spell) and zig zag both require some level of agility and skills.

The rock is a solid wrestler and really really great on mic and is one of the best entertainers that WWE has to offer, but if you look at his skill sets and finishers, eventhough he make those moves look kickarse but and the end of the day, it's only a rock bottom and an elbow drop and how would this different from hogan's leg drop?

 

[Derek G]

the bookers decide who wins and loses and who's in which matches. And that's what all those names like Hogan and Nash misused. That's something that won't happen again tho. As far as saying who has control of the characters. Everything runs by Vince and if he disagrees with it, then that's not gonna happen but for something to run by Vince, there has to be someone to come up with it. And the wrestler himself always has the chance to walk into an office and go "this is what I'd like to do" or "this is what I came up with". At times the writers or higher ups come up with something themselves and then present it to the wrestlers and if the wrestlers agree, it's a done deal.

Dolph Ziggler probably never went to the office and said "I'd like to do this for a change" and that's what I was getting at here. Turning the Rock heel was something they had to do if they wanted to move forward with him but he himself made it work by becoming.. you know.. the Rock. The man, Dwayne Johnson, himself made sure that rocky maivia turned into the Rock. The company themselves never told him what to say or to do, it was up to him once they turned him to evolve as a character. When they turned Ziggler, he did nothing with it

During the attitude era and ruthless agression( sorry, my spelling sucks) era, the wrestlers were provided points only and they were let loose on the mic, for wrestlers like rock, stome cold and mick foley, they were completely free to say whatever they want. at present day, 90% of the things said by the wrestlers were scripted. I do agree some wrestlers do have to talent to make it look good eventhough is scripted but some wrestlers just don't.