Does going over Jericho help superstars any more?

[Stopspot]

I wouldn't really care because he's losing to everyone. As Alkaline said, it's a logic thing if they make him lose to people who will be pushed, but he's losing to everyone...

He is losing to the people getting pushed. Who has he lost to that isn't involved in some kind of program? It's not like he's losing to 3MB or Zack Fucking Ryder.

 

[Nano]

Actual ring talent doesn't always equal winning at the ppv. Jericho is doing what a wrestler in his 40's with a long career should be doing. Putting over talent.
What benefit would there be to Jericho, who is as stated over 40 years old and working a limited schedule going over younger talent who is going to be there in the long run if they aren't going to put a belt on Jericho or push him to the top anyway?

I agree that he can put over talent, but doesn't make sense imo that he loses at every single PPV, at least they should give him one victory...

 

[Stopspot]

I agree that he can put over talent, but doesn't make sense imo that he loses at every single PPV, at least they should give him one victory...

The PPV wins don't matter for him. Because his character is still built to look dominant and believable on TV. And quite frankly, he's Chris fucking Jericho. He doesn't need it. The fact that he is Chris Jericho makes him credible.

He's working monthly programs with younger talent that he is supposed to put over. Of course he will lose at the PPV. Him winning doesn't make sense and isn't needed.

 

[Cloud]

Interesting to note that ppl say Jericho cant have an ME push with only being there 6 months. Yet we all accepted The Rock bollocks? Now I know who I would rather have had that title.

 

[Stopspot]

Interesting to note that ppl say Jericho cant have an ME push with only being there 6 months. Yet we all accepted The Rock bollocks? Now I know who I would rather have had that title.

I would also prefer Jericho. But Rock is a bigger deal. Rock brings in main stream exposure on a completely different level than Jericho. So I understand why Rock gets a main event push/reign and Jericho doesn't.

 

[Laura]

Going over Jericho doesn't mean shit. Fandango, Ryback, even as far back as Evan Borne - did a win over Jericho provide any kind of rub at all? Nope. Not any noticeable rub, at least.

What benefit would there be to Jericho, who is as stated over 40 years old and working a limited schedule going over younger talent who is going to be there in the long run if they aren't going to put a belt on Jericho or push him to the top anyway?

Why? How about entertainment? Speaking for myself, I'd love to see Jericho win. I might even mark. But Fandango? Ryback? Meh. Who cares? Jobber Jericho is a waste of time. He might as well not even be there - or he might as well win. A loss to Jericho couldn't be less of a rub than winning, and it would be more fun to watch. And then when he does eventually lose, it would actually have an impact.

In any case, he shouldn't be losing so often. He's a multi-time champ and blah, blah, blah. Kayfabe-wise, he should be practically unbeatable compared to most of the roster.

 

[Crayo]

Dolph's hits bullseye.

Jericho due to his limited schedule (he's there for like 6 months, then gone) means you cannot push him to the top, so logically he would lose to the guys they are pushing to the top. If a lower carder/younger talent beats him it will still benefit him.

You don't need to push him to the top to make him credible. Even recently, he had a run where he said he dropped the dancing etc., and picked up a few wins against some lower opponents. He had mic segments as well - a lot of them. He instantly looked credible again, he's good enough to do that. Week-to-week jobbing, in my opinion, results in no gain for the opponent, which answers my question. Does going over Jericho in this state mean anything? No. Do they get a rub? No. It's just like one of those filler segments on RAW now. Obviously it depends on how they write it; if Jericho vs X was a really intense feud with lots of time to build it then it would mean something, but a typical match against him on RAW and beating him means absolutely nothing. His PPV job to Fandango, again, meant nothing imo.

 

[Stopspot]

But does he really job back to back? Looking back at the Fandango feud he looked credible up until the PPV match. Same with the Ryback program.

People seem to think that he loses every single match he is in week to week. But I just don't see it.

 

[CrayJ Lee]

Considering Jericho has put over so many guys lately, I don't think it holds the weight that it used to. If it was dispersed better and Jericho still had many more victories than losses then I think going over Jericho would help superstars more. However, by this point you can tell that Jericho is used as that guy to put superstars so it's neither unpredictable or surprising when Jericho does lose.

 

[Lockard 23]

At this point, I'd say defeating Jericho means very little to nothing. Fandango could have never defeated Jericho and he wouldn't really be any lesser of a star now than he is currently. Other than the commentators reminding us of it being the biggest upset in Wrestlemania history, no one really takes note of that victory. Ryback winning by roll up already means nothing, although Ryback has been booked to shit in general.

I think the first problem is that Jericho has never been a top tier talent on the same level of a Hogan or an Austin or a Cena (as proven by him never being booked as a consistent main eventer) and so you can't expect people to automatically think that defeating Jericho means the person looks like a much bigger star because of it. This isn't an insult on Jericho, just a bit of truth about his position on the totem pole in WWE in terms of his own star power. Just look at when he lost to Batista a couple of times cleanly back in 2004, for example. It was a good mid card victory for Batista, but nothing that made him into anything much bigger than he already was, and that was back then when Y2J was on the show full time. (Of course, if main event-caliber stars like Hogan/Austin/Cena were past their prime and only around periodically and spent most of their feuds jobbing, defeating them wouldn't mean a whole lot anymore either.)

The other problem that goes along with it is that Jericho is rarely booked into anything that feels important. If he won a championship and kept it for a while before dropping it, then yeah, that would feel like something. But him just bouncing from random feud to feud to feud where he jobs (Ziggler, Fandango, Ryback) does nothing much for any of the guys he loses to. It means more than beating someone like Heath Slater because of Jericho's past accolades and the fact that the announcers can remind people of them and no one really expects Slater to put up a good fight, but in terms of whether it's a huge career moment that really gives someone a rub in the sense that people see them as having more star power because of it, I don't think the two situations are really that different. A win over either Jericho or Slater means nothing in the long run at this point.

 

[Snowman1]

Everyone already hit the nail on the head, so I'll throw this out there:

It's all about the story being told (as Punk said). I thought it helped Fandango because his character seemed like a silly comic relief schtick when he debuted, and after he beat Jericho he seemed more like a wrestler you can take serious after the bell rings. It helped RVD because it proved that Van Dam can still go with the best of them as Jericho made him look really good (and how is RVD giving performances like that? Unbelievable). It helped Axel a little bit, as Jericho was the first guy (besides Job Cara) who he beat after re-debuting.

TL;DR, he's credible enough for a win over him meaning something if there's an outside reason for it. It didn't help Ryback at all since he's a lost cause.

 

[Rogue]

For me it all depends on if there is storyline. If you go over Jericho in a random match on Smackdown it usually won't help you but if you've been feuding with Jericho for a while and go over him the time you two meet in the ring it would probably help you a lot..if the WWE keeps pushing you afterwards that is.

 

[Swift]

I'm with Shadox. If they put him in a long, serious, meaningful feud with someone, then it can help a lot. But that's not what's going. I swear he's in a different feud every week, and just ends up jobbing in the end.

 

[JC4Life37]

Jericho could elevate a cat from jabroni to cat p*ss so if you enjoy watching cat p*ss....

Jacking a win from a top guy is overrated unless you throw gold around a dude's waist.


Shelton Benjamin nailed 'the Shovel' to the mat in '04 and it got him nowhere. If beating that guy doesn't get you anywhere, what will?

 

[Kuolema]

Not imo. Feels that almost everyone has beaten Y2J. Imo he should be put in the TT division with Christian, or something else. Make the 6 time world champion a main eventer again, or maybe even a 7 time world champ?

Does anyone know when he's gonna leave WWE and tour with Fozzy?