Curt Hawkins could be the new Chris Jericho?
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But we've seen from past experience that Vickie is fickle. She may very well help Dolph get past the upper reaches of the mid card (Which I doubt due to seeing Cody Rhodes or Drew McIntyre getting there before him), but if Ziggler can't stand on his own with his own heat, the second that Vickie decides to go with the next best thing he'll be like a fish out of water, just waiting for Big Show to put him out of his misery with a falcon punch.
My point is, Ziggler by himself is not capable of main eventing. He's got some skills and the look of a superstar, but his name is not marketable, and his mic skills without Vickie are severely lacking. And in an industry where Mic skills are everything (See, Miz) you NEED that "It" factor to really get you to the top.
My point is, Ziggler by himself is not capable of main eventing. He's got some skills and the look of a superstar, but his name is not marketable, and his mic skills without Vickie are severely lacking. And in an industry where Mic skills are everything (See, Miz) you NEED that "It" factor to really get you to the top.
Mmm I'll agree with that, however, I more than see Vickie able to get Ziggler enough heat to give him at the very least a transitional run with the belt.
As for mic skills, yeah well, we had Jack Swagger carrying Smackdown for a few months, so to think Ziggler with his ridiculous screechy voice could do it as well isn't that far fetched.
As for mic skills, yeah well, we had Jack Swagger carrying Smackdown for a few months, so to think Ziggler with his ridiculous screechy voice could do it as well isn't that far fetched.
Swagger's MUCH better than Dolph on the mic....
So he's got a lisp? No bother... Just gives the fans (and faces) something to rag him over, besides, it never did Dusty Rhodes any harm did it.
There wasn't a great deal wrong with his promo segments as WHC... He just had no credibility as champ thanks to booking.
On the other hand who else remembers Ziggler's promo on PPV last year; hating on Pat Patterson? ....Not good!
So he's got a lisp? No bother... Just gives the fans (and faces) something to rag him over, besides, it never did Dusty Rhodes any harm did it.
There wasn't a great deal wrong with his promo segments as WHC... He just had no credibility as champ thanks to booking.
On the other hand who else remembers Ziggler's promo on PPV last year; hating on Pat Patterson? ....Not good!
I actually liked that segment :/
I am not saying Swagger's segments were wrong, in fact, I loved the persona he created for himself as a champion. I'm saying that they werent exactly light years away from what Ziggler could do, specially keeping Vickie around, so I wouldnt consider too far fetched a 3 month Ziggler title reign
I am not saying Swagger's segments were wrong, in fact, I loved the persona he created for himself as a champion. I'm saying that they werent exactly light years away from what Ziggler could do, specially keeping Vickie around, so I wouldnt consider too far fetched a 3 month Ziggler title reign
I'm saying Ziggler isn't that far away from Swagger, who being not that good on that mic, managed to carry Smackdown succesfully imo, so it isn't that far fetched to think Ziggler, with lesser mic skills indeed, but not that much less, wouldn't be able to do it.
Add Vickie Guerrero to the miss and they are more than able to carry Smackdown.
Add Vickie Guerrero to the miss and they are more than able to carry Smackdown.
I agree with CMS in some regard. What the fuck? What is with the Swagger hate, I was certainly one of, if not the most, pissed and iffy on his title run because he dethroned the best in the world at what he does. But seriously, the guy cut some fucking SOLID, CONSISTENT fucking promos. And how are you mocking the bird? That shit is hilarious and awesome. He's built quite a character from being a fucking NOBODY with a lisp, to using the lisp (like Sheamus uses his pale skin and accent) to get over and completely play-out the jock thing with the epic 10 minute promo describing all his trophies. Then when he sang the Oklahoma state song in Texas, lololol, haven't heard people boo that hard in a long time. His promo after he won the title was gold too. He's come a long way. Was he ready to hold the title when he should have? Hell no. But he showed us (people who were actually watching, apparently) that he has A LOT more to offer than the WWE ever gave him the chance to, and I think that was the point of his reign. He's always working consistent fucking solid matches, ALWAYS, with anyone, even with Kofi last week. I couldn't believe people were putting Sheamus over Swagger, how ridiculous. I like Sheamus, but to disregard how much Swagger's character has developed and improved is blasphemous. And Swagger can just flat out do A LOT more in the ring. The only thing I flat out despise is the fact that he started using the ankle lock. Why not just use a fucking leg keylock? Why go the full mile to rip-off the guy's signature move that your gimmick is closest to imitating in the first place?
Anyways, with that said. I believe CMS is saying the same thing with Ziggler. We haven't seen what the guy can do yet, at all. He's barely given any time to say or do shit, like most of the talent. It took him a long time to win the IC title, but it also took Swagger a lot of jobbing to win the MITB. He won the ECW title really quick but no one gives a shit about or even acknowledges that. Ziggler had a huge debut played out, which then he went over Batista with, and now he's been given the biggest heat-magnet since the Vince McMahon character. From the looks of it, he MAY not be AS GOOD as Swagger in the ring, but he's surely not terrible. He should be given a bit more credit, I didn't really think the promo on Pat Patterson was bad, I don't understand that either. A lot of people seem to just jump on the lowercard guys. Hate to break it to you, but the WWE DOES make mistakes in pushing talent to the top. Hell, it's been the story of the fucking month lately. Piper's promo? The entire story of Lawler's title match? The WWE isn't perfect, if wrestlers aren't given opportunities to show what they can do then how will it EVER prosper? People getting over like Cena did is seriously a fucking 1 in a millionth chance that the WWE just got lucky with.
Did we even think Kane would carry Smackdown ever? No, not even when he was champ, BEFORE that. That's when he was carrying it with his epic promos, he was the story of the show, trying to seek revenge for his brother. I mean, if Swagger, Kane, and Rey all got a shot, I'm pretty certain Alberto and the guy in my signature could easily be believable in getting a shot and/or winning the gold, just like Ziggler isn't THAT unbelievable (although I understand the resistance with his name, but he could easily change it: see John Morrison..).
Anyways, with that said. I believe CMS is saying the same thing with Ziggler. We haven't seen what the guy can do yet, at all. He's barely given any time to say or do shit, like most of the talent. It took him a long time to win the IC title, but it also took Swagger a lot of jobbing to win the MITB. He won the ECW title really quick but no one gives a shit about or even acknowledges that. Ziggler had a huge debut played out, which then he went over Batista with, and now he's been given the biggest heat-magnet since the Vince McMahon character. From the looks of it, he MAY not be AS GOOD as Swagger in the ring, but he's surely not terrible. He should be given a bit more credit, I didn't really think the promo on Pat Patterson was bad, I don't understand that either. A lot of people seem to just jump on the lowercard guys. Hate to break it to you, but the WWE DOES make mistakes in pushing talent to the top. Hell, it's been the story of the fucking month lately. Piper's promo? The entire story of Lawler's title match? The WWE isn't perfect, if wrestlers aren't given opportunities to show what they can do then how will it EVER prosper? People getting over like Cena did is seriously a fucking 1 in a millionth chance that the WWE just got lucky with.
Did we even think Kane would carry Smackdown ever? No, not even when he was champ, BEFORE that. That's when he was carrying it with his epic promos, he was the story of the show, trying to seek revenge for his brother. I mean, if Swagger, Kane, and Rey all got a shot, I'm pretty certain Alberto and the guy in my signature could easily be believable in getting a shot and/or winning the gold, just like Ziggler isn't THAT unbelievable (although I understand the resistance with his name, but he could easily change it: see John Morrison..).
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Sorry my man, Sheamus has proven he can have better matches then Swagger, last night was the perfect example. He's also proven he's more over, saw Swagger vs. Kofi, Swagger is nowhere near as over as Sheamus. Sheamus has basically done what no one else has been able to do for the past two years, and that's get Morrison over. And I think Swagger appeals to you more so than Sheamus because he does comedy shit and that's your cup of coffee in regards to wrestling.
Don't get me wrong, I like Swagger, he's a good and improving talent, but he wasn't ready to win the title. His promos are coming along, but that lisp leaves something to be desired and I thought the eagle thing was grand, but it's hard to take a guy serious when he's 90% comedy. He needs to get that equilibrium that Angle achieved between serious and comedy to get to where he needs to be.