Could Bully Ray be TNA's JBL?

[Dolph'sZiggler]

Ha, I was just reading earlier today about how Hardcore Holly beat the fuck out of Dupree at a house show in 2004. Maybe he was just a dick.

And lots of people hate Ace. Bully was probably praised for putting him into a submission.

Hardly anything like what JBL has been accused of. From things I hear Bully is well liked by most and respected by all

 

[Stopspot]

Yeah I've also only heard good things about Ray. That there was the only thing I could think of. Sadly he didn't put Ace in a real submission only told him to shut up and be a big boy basically (still probably got him major kudos).

Holly seems to have been more of a bully than Ray. Didn't Holly work one of the tough enough guys stiff for nothing at all back in like 2004?

 

[Dolph'sZiggler]

2002 or so, but yea. Holly is probably the most well known asshole of our generation of wrestling.

 

[Stopspot]

Well, him and Davey Richards and Low Ki. But Richards and Ki might count as a new generation.

 

[Dolph'sZiggler]

Nah they just count as vanilla midgets wrestling in bingo halls that nobody cares about

 

[Crayo]

Genuinely curious about Ray being a bully in real life too, because I've only heard nice things as well.

 

[Dolph'sZiggler]

I think Lockard was off his game on that post. I did some extensive GOOGLING and came up with nothing.

 

[Crayo]

Are you sure it was extensive?

 

[Dolph'sZiggler]

QUITE extensive. I searched every combo I could of his ring names, his real name, backstage bully, backstage, politics, asshole, jerk ect.

NOTHING besides one Yahoo answers that offhandedly mentioned he was a backstage jerk but cited no source and didn't even provide an example.

 

[Lockard 23]

I heard a podcast called the Don Tony and Kevin Castle Show where they referred to Bubba Ray Dudley as a "JBL-like bully." I can also swear there was a wrestler or two who mentioned in a shoot interview about how he was a bit of an ass to them because of ribbing or something. That's pretty much all I got, although depending on who you ask, even someone like JBL is known as a nice guy to some and obviously respected by many.

As for Hardcore Holly stiffing people, he stiffed Rene Dupree for good reason. He borrowed his rental car and got a ticket and then didn't show up in court for it lol. That's asking for an ass whipping. He was an asshole of course anyway, but still. It came back to bite him in September 2002 when he tried to sandbag Brock and ended up landing on his neck as a result. At least he got a world title shot at RR '04 out of it, although he got squashed in about six minutes (Lesnar running scared from HH during the build was ridiculous, though.)

 

[Dolph'sZiggler]

The wrestling world is such a funny thing. If I were to beat a coworker over the head with a steal chair because he didn't pay the ticket he got in my rental car I'd be in jail for a good long while. Hardcore Holly does it in front of 10k people and he is "in the right" because Dupree is a dumbass, lol.

 

[Lockard 23]

Beating the fuck out of someone for real for something they did is actually something that carries on from the old carnival days, and Hardcore Holly is/was very much old school. Those who still adhere to these rules would argue though that it was wrong to do it in front of the fans, but not wrong to stiff him in the first place. (Hardcore Holly even said that Vince told him in private that he would have done the same thing, even though HHH got on a radio show and said he thought Holly should have been fired for the incident.) Public Enemy were also stiffed like hell from APA inside the ring for being generally pompous and cocky backstage. Then they got their release from the company.

 

[Dolph'sZiggler]

Hardcore Holly just hides behind being "old school" because he is a hypocritical asshole who liked to try and hurt or make a fool of people because he felt entitled and never got a "push he deserved"

what would "old school" wrestlers say about Holly trying to sandbag a guy? That's something Holly would have gotten the shit beat out of him for backstage if things were "old school" (assuming it hadn't broken his neck ofc)

 

[Stopspot]

And how can he justify beating the shit out of a rookie on Tough Enough with being old school? He basically took a kid he had never met before (who was also the front runner to win that season I believe) and beat the shit out of him .

 

[Lockard 23]

Well, at least he didn't pull a gun on people like Harley Race (a guy highly respected by most everyone) used to do.