CM Punk's Possible Return Raises Serious Questions For Wrestlemania 30

[Farooq]

I like the way this guy thinks! :

wk

 

[edge4ever]

Give it time. Big E will be WWE Champion before too much longer.

wk

BIG E doesn't look 100% black....

 

[edge4ever]

I don't think HHH would put over a guy at Wrestlemania unless he thought Vince would bat an eye at him doing so... What I mean is if you look at the guy's he's jobbed to at mania they are predominantly guys Vince expected him HHH to lose to

Since Main Eventing he's lost to Taker, Benoit, Batista, Cena, and Orton (but didn't eat the pin)... with every case Vince had a specific angle with each guy moving forward (maybe not Taker so much)

I believe Taker is the one guy who's word he values over HHH (from a pure loyalty standpoint) so even if Trips wanted to break the streak, Vince would give him the 'what the f*** did you say?' kind of look


Maybe I'm just proving K-Lock and Crayo's point, but I don't believe Triple H would ever job if he thought he could legit get away with it... the ego is too big... he isn't an idiot, if Bryan has an angle moving forward he'll win... if not he lose

Well that makes sense and I like your post. But Bryan does have an angle moving forward--he's the underdog, upcoming face of WWE, and he has to earn his A+ player spot. DB is very popular and I honestly feel him beating Triple H needs to happen. I love Triple H but I feel DB losing to Hunter at Mania will make his fans like he's held back even more than he has been the last 8 months.

 

[Dolph'sZiggler]

lol I'm always amused at Crayo's repeated refusal to give Triple H the benefit of the doubt, especially in light of all the people HHH has put over at Wrestlemania before. It's second only to his belief that the WWE are racist just because there's never been a full 100% black WWE Champion. ity2:

Crayo is secretly a massive Triple H mark, but he is scared of what his family would think if they knew he gets wood when he looks at him, so he represses the feelings by acting like a hater.

Give it time. Big E will be WWE Champion before too much longer.

wk

Hopefully its during football season because I don't want to see that bullshit.

 

[Wacokid27]

I don't believe Triple H would ever job if he thought he could legit get away with it... the ego is too big... he isn't an idiot, if Bryan has an angle moving forward he'll win... if not he lose

I agree that HHH has an ego. But what successful person doesn't? As to his ego not "allowing" him to job to Bryan, I don't think you're at all right about this point.

HHH wouldn't just job to a guy just to job to a guy. It's reminiscent of Austin refusing to job to Lesnar in the first round of the KotR tournament many years back (this was when he "took his ball and went home"). It wasn't that Austin didn't want to job to Lesnar. It wasn't that Austin wasn't willing to make Lesnar look like a hoss. It was simply that Austin didn't like the idea of what he felt would be a cheap loss to Lesnar. If WWE had booked Austin and Lesnar into the final of the KotR and wanted Austin to job, he would have been fine with it. If they had spent two or three weeks hyping the Austin-Lesnar match so it would be a major draw (even a Raw main event), Austin would have done it. He just felt it was bad for business (remember that phrase) to have Lesnar go over him without any build or meaning beyond "Lesnar goes on to the second round of KotR".

I see the HHH/Bryan match as something very similar. If HHH and Bryan were having a random match on Raw, there's no way I would see HHH putting him over. It would be bad for business to waste the years of credibility that HHH has built up (even if he wasn't Vince's son-in-law, he'd be a surefire "first ballot Hall of Famer") on an unhyped, pointless match. But that's not what they're setting up. This is going to be a major event. Bryan's been built as the "next HBK" (I can already hear teeth grinding on that because "BRYAN'S NO HBK!!!!!", but that's the role he's been put into [the smaller, quicker guy who's going to get over with charisma and guile and beats guys with his smarts and his impact ability more than power moves]....and he's performed damn well in it). Add to that the fact that Bryan's been "held down" (in storyline) by the Authority and this is likely the blow-off match of that feud. After Mania, Bryan probably goes on to feud with the winner of Orton/Batista (I still think Orton walks out of that match as Champ the way it's set up now) for the WHC.

When looked at from that perspective, Daniel Bryan winning over HHH at Wrestlemania XXX is what's "best for business".

wk

 

[Dolph'sZiggler]

I agree that HHH has an ego. But what successful person doesn't? As to his ego not "allowing" him to job to Bryan, I don't think you're at all right about this point.

HHH wouldn't just job to a guy just to job to a guy. It's reminiscent of Austin refusing to job to Lesnar in the first round of the KotR tournament many years back (this was when he "took his ball and went home"). It wasn't that Austin didn't want to job to Lesnar. It wasn't that Austin wasn't willing to make Lesnar look like a hoss. It was simply that Austin didn't like the idea of what he felt would be a cheap loss to Lesnar. If WWE had booked Austin and Lesnar into the final of the KotR and wanted Austin to job, he would have been fine with it. If they had spent two or three weeks hyping the Austin-Lesnar match so it would be a major draw (even a Raw main event), Austin would have done it. He just felt it was bad for business (remember that phrase) to have Lesnar go over him without any build or meaning beyond "Lesnar goes on the second round of KotR".

I see the HHH/Bryan match as something very similar. If HHH and Bryan were having a random match on Raw, there's no way I would see HHH putting him over. It would be bad for business to waste the years of credibility that HHH has built up (even if he wasn't Vince's son-in-law, he'd be a surefire "first ballot Hall of Famer") on an unhyped, pointless match. But that's not what they're setting up. This is going to be a major event. Bryan's been built as the "next HBK" (I can already hear teeth grinding on that because "BRYAN'S NO HBK!!!!!", but that's the role he's been put into [the smaller, quicker guy who's going to get over with charisma and guile and beats guys with his smarts and his impact ability more than power moves]....and he's performed damn well in it). Add to that the fact that Bryan's been "held down" (in storyline) by the Authority and this is likely the blow-off match of that feud. After Mania, Bryan probably goes on to feud with the winner of Orton/Batista (I still think Orton walks out of that match as Champ the way it's set up now) for the WHC.

When looked at from that perspective, Daniel Bryan winning over HHH at Wrestlemania XXX is what's "best for business".

wk

Anyone who thinks HHH is going over DB at Mania is delusional. And hell, I hope I'm wrong, because I will be cheering my tits off for HHH to bury DB. But it won't happen.

For the record, I see no similarities between HBK and DB other than maybe being undersized.

 

[Wacokid27]

BIG E doesn't look 100% black....

Most ethnologists would be completely mystified by the concept of "100% black".

Like most other ethnic groups, particularly those who are in the "New World", the African-heritaged peoples who first came to this part of the world as slaves have been so mixed with the Amerindian and European peoples that are here/came here that the reality of finding an African-heritaged person who is 100% African-descended is almost impossible (not to mention the fact that most of central Africa was heavily settled and explored by both Semitic and European peoples and that southern Africa spent a great deal of time being dominated by Europeans.

Basically, there's no such thing as "100% anything".

Having said that, it doesn't look like there's much vanilla in Langston's chocolate in the last few generations.

wk

 

[Dolph'sZiggler]

Most ethnologists would be completely mystified by the concept of "100% black".

Like most other ethnic groups, particularly those who are in the "New World", the African-heritaged peoples who first came to this part of the world as slaves have been so mixed with the Amerindian and European peoples that are here/came here that the reality of finding an African-heritaged person who is 100% African-descended is almost impossible (not to mention the fact that most of central Africa was heavily settled and explored by both Semitic and European peoples and that southern Africa spent a great deal of time being dominated by Europeans.

Basically, there's no such thing as "100% anything".

Having said that, it doesn't look like there's much vanilla in Langston's chocolate in the last few generations.

wk

this is the most random thing I've ever seen. where did this come from lol

nm see you quoted some cat I have on ignore. makes sense

 

[Wacokid27]

For the record, I see no similarities between HBK and DB other than maybe being undersized.

To me, this is an "agree to disagree" point. I do see some similarities in basic character, but the details are markedly different.

The insertion of HBK into the Bryan/Authority angle (and all the hype about HBK being Bryan's mentor since he attended the SMWA), as well as Steph pointing out that Bryan was an underdog ("You wouldn't have your underdog role without us.") last Monday on Raw, which was the role that HBK played to Bret until he won the title from him are what make me draw the comparison based on anything more than just the most basic character design (due, in large part, to their both being "undersized" for the WWE product).

wk

 

[edge4ever]

Most ethnologists would be completely mystified by the concept of "100% black".

Like most other ethnic groups, particularly those who are in the "New World", the African-heritaged peoples who first came to this part of the world as slaves have been so mixed with the Amerindian and European peoples that are here/came here that the reality of finding an African-heritaged person who is 100% African-descended is almost impossible (not to mention the fact that most of central Africa was heavily settled and explored by both Semitic and European peoples and that southern Africa spent a great deal of time being dominated by Europeans.

Basically, there's no such thing as "100% anything".

Having said that, it doesn't look like there's much vanilla in Langston's chocolate in the last few generations.

wk

No I agree with you. I was stating this because there is no such thing as having a 100% black champion. I meant to quote lockard's response about Crayo.

 

[edge4ever]

Actually, why did you say Big E will be champion soon enough? Are you stating that he is in fact 100% black?

 

[Wacokid27]

No I agree with you. I was stating this because there is no such thing as having a 100% black champion. I meant to quote lockard's response about Crayo.

Okay. I see.

wk

 

[Wacokid27]

Actually, why did you say Big E will be champion soon enough? Are you stating that he is in fact 100% black?

Yes. He is the exception. :tough:

And he'll be WWE World Heavyweight Champion because he'll win it the night after Wrestlemania on Raw.ipebomb:

wk

 

[Dat Kid1]

Am I the only one who actually doesn't mind CM Punk being gone?

 

[Dolph'sZiggler]

Yes. He is the exception. :tough:

And he'll be WWE World Heavyweight Champion because he'll win it the night after Wrestlemania on Raw.ipebomb:

wk

If this happens, I'm going to hate Cena, because I know the only reason it is even a possibility is because of their locker room 69'ing