CM Punk

[CT Styles]

It's their opinions.

You asked for it.

 

[Quintastic One]

I wasn't attacking you personally, lots of people are misguided by the misinformation of the WWE. You're not the first. *wink*

 

[ThePlumber702]

i have seen punk vs joe in roh and i didnt like it and i do like joe...

 

[Quintastic One]

Ah well then I can slightly accept your disgust with Cookie Monster Punk. But you're still wrong. . lol

 

[Kizza]

DAMN i was just stating an opinion and asking for feedback yall are attacking me personally thats real nice...

So you expect to start a thread about hating CM Punk, but don't expect any backlash from people who like/respect CM Punk? If you don't want other people's opinions/perspectives, then don't state your own. It's purely a discussion.

 

[ThePlumber702]

So you expect to start a thread about hating CM Punk, but don't expect any backlash from people who like/respect CM Punk? If you don't want other people's opinions/perspectives, then don't state your own. It's purely a discussion.

Got no problem with ppls perspective about punk that's what i was asking for. I was trying to get another viewpoint of him to see if i could see why people like him. And i actually do understand a little better... same reason i like stone cold or The Undertaker i Respect them... but when people tell me im being a completely biass mark and hating on the dude for no reason when thats what i said in the begining of the post. That i don't know why people like him... thats all

 

[THE Brian Kendrick's Biceps]

You provided no real reasons for not liking him. That's why you're biased. Everyone is biased one way or another on everything. No one is ever completely neutral.

 

[JurassicBonez]

I don't dislike CM Punk, but I to don't see where all the buzz over him is. He's not that big to me. A lot of people talk about his Indy work, but he's not in the indies anymore, he's now in the major league, and me personaly, I haven't seen anything big on him. People say he's underated, he needs to be in the ME but I don't see it. He was in the ME before and to me that was a fail, he didn't belong. He should have worked his way up to the ME which is what he's doing now. In the mid-card is where he should be for at least another year. I don't like him in the ME scene, but in the mid-card he's good. I'm actually starting to like him better now than I did before.

Most finishers in WWE look like shit. Punk's is actually one of the more real looking. .

I think that depends on who he's doing the GTS to (their size and weight) because with some you can clearly see their feet land perfectly on the ground, them take minimum of the head to the face and just fall over.

When given the opportunity to shine on his own without restrictions to his moveset, he knows how to work a match, and has had classics with Samoa Joe in exess of 60 minute matches that we saw between guys like Flair, Harley Race and others.

Essentially, the guy can work, even if you don't see it in the WWE.

/end rave

But I think this is precisly what he's talking about. In the WWE, he doesn't see this. In the big leagues of wrestling he doesn't see this. You say without restrictions to his moveset/Samoa Joe, that was in the indies. I've seen his promos in the indies, seen some of his matches, they were good. But to me in WWE he's now starting to prove himself.

He is also promo gold to a certain niche of audience, and has the right message that this industry needs when it comes to training and image of what wrestlers nowadays should be.

/end rave

And this would lead to those that say he's getting stale or needs to turn heel. Not saying you're the one who's saying it, others have said before, but if he were to become a heel, he's a natural born heel, that statement would become voided. I've seen some vids of him on the internet and if he plays the heel that he did in the indies (as I've seen countless people want) it would mean he'd attah the crowd (verbally), put them down, claim he's better, etc, much like the Jericho character now. For those that says a good role model, especially for the target audience they're trying to get, kids, then he would look like a fraud.

 

[The Rated R CMStar]

First, to the guy who made this thread, nobody attacked you personally. James said your arguments sucked, and well, they do. Nobody is mad about you not liking Punk, the point is your points for not doing so are bad.

Punk's mic skills arent the best, but they aren't lacking like you said. His promos at first on ECW, and then as the WHC Champion against Batista and Orton were good.

And I'm sorry, but I have not seen CM Punk botch anything else than his GTS, and that isnt everytime. I am sure I could look over a botch per match, but I am sure I would notice 5 botches per match, as you claim he does.


Bottom line is, you are biased against Punk because you dont like him, but one thing is to say "His mic skills are not existant", stating it as a damn fact, instead of saying " I don't like his mic skills, and more often than not cant live up to the ones of other main eventers", an argument hardly anybody would refute.

 

[Moonlight Drive]

Somebody plz explain how lariats/kicks are realistic. The only true 'realistic' finishers are submission moves.

 

[★Chuck Zombie★]

Somebody plz explain how lariats/kicks are realistic. The only true 'realistic' finishers are submission moves.

Like the Masterlock?

He was in the ME before and to me that was a fail, he didn't belong. He should have worked his way up to the ME which is what he's doing now. In the mid-card is where he should be for at least another year.

I'm gonna have to agree there. Although I loved him getting pushed, I'm do believe it would be more successful if he was pushed a little slower.

And this would lead to those that say he's getting stale or needs to turn heel. Not saying you're the one who's saying it, others have said before, but if he were to become a heel, he's a natural born heel, that statement would become voided. I've seen some vids of him on the internet and if he plays the heel that he did in the indies (as I've seen countless people want) it would mean he'd attah the crowd (verbally), put them down, claim he's better, etc, much like the Jericho character now. For those that says a good role model, especially for the target audience they're trying to get, kids, then he would look like a fraud.

People say that just because they don't like faces that much. It's natural. The heels are usually the ones who draw all of the heat, so being the heel brings out more of your talent. The heels tend to shine a little better and people want Punk heel to bring out the best of him. But like you noted, a lot of people consider him a role model and it does put the WWE in positive light, so I doubt Punk will turn heel any time soon.

 

[Seventh Reason]

One question, who's finishers look realistic in WWE?

That's worth another thread.

As for Punk, I like him. He's inspiring to young wrestlers and wrestling fans considering his rise from the independents to ROH and eventually the big 'E. Extremely marketable, I thought, without needing to be a main eventer.

 

[Kizza]

That's worth another thread.

As for Punk, I like him. He's inspiring to young wrestlers and wrestling fans considering his rise from the independents to ROH and eventually the big 'E. Extremely marketable, I thought, without needing to be a main eventer.

Not really, I was just wondering, and he answered on what he thought was realistic, so I'm satisfied :schnauz:

 

[Brandon Blaze]

Punk is praised so much for a few reasons.

1, he exhibits the passion towards the wrestling business to be a role model for anyone closely related to it, including fans.


2, he has the balls to stand up for what he believes in even if it means his job. When he first got to WWE there were rumors that a lot of people were against him because they took his decline to go get beers as an insult. He also criticized booking which killed his initial push.

3, He has a tattoo on his left hand that says "No gimmicks needed" which pretty much sums up his views on the wrestling business, which I'm sure a lot of people agree with.

4, In my case, I'm straightedge and love Pepsi (This started when I was in junior high for the most part (which was 98, 99) so it has nothing to do with him), so I relate to him that much more, and I'm sure other people do as well.

5, He's funny.

From what I see a lot of Punk's following is from respect. He's not the greatest in any category but the respect the fans and the people in the wrestling business have for him makes up for it.

I think this is the best answers here. All of them mainly fit me(expect the Pepsi part..I'm more of a Coca-Cola fan.). I respect him for being straightedge not giving in not doing drugs to get ahead or choosing not to going out drinking just so the boys in the back would respect him. He sticks to what he believes in no matter what like Chuck said. So this to is also why I'm a fan of his.

 

[Soulpower]

Somebody plz explain how lariats/kicks are realistic

REALLY? A lariat involves taking either one of your arms, and swinging it as hard as you can towards your opponent.. How is that not credible? Its a wrestling move that can legitimately knock out anyone.

Now. to the dude that said Punk has no mic skills. How many time has he actually been allowed to talk during his WWE run? The answer.. Just a couple of times. And even in those few occasions, he's managed to be better than a LOT of the WWE roster.

As far as botches are concerned. He botched the Springboard Clothesline once again Edge, and the GTS against Snitsky (Which was partly Snitsky's fault). That's it for his botches in WWE.