Airfixx
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....Sadly, watch them rape the concept of HIAC with their 'wonderful' and 'revolutionary' new PPV concept.
Cage matches
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noumenon
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More than one HIAC in one night = FAIL
If someone doesn't go through or off the cell...this PPV is BS.
If someone doesn't go through or off the cell...this PPV is BS.
MizMasta3000
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If you think about it, cage matches can be easily won. A nice blow to your opponent and a walk aout of the cage door is all you need. They dont make them interesting anymore. I remember an Eddie Guerrero Cage where he climbed to the top just to deliver a frog splash. Or Jeff Hardy Swanton Bombing off of one. Winning is more important than being appealing to the fans
Now those damn TNA lethal lockdown cage matches are the shit
Now those damn TNA lethal lockdown cage matches are the shit
noumenon
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^Marky Mark over here
He does have a point though, cage matches are very phoned in lately. And they need to stop making it look like it's so difficult to climb a fuckin fence...LOL
He does have a point though, cage matches are very phoned in lately. And they need to stop making it look like it's so difficult to climb a fuckin fence...LOL
^ ya that has been pretty annoying lately how it takes 3 mins to climb a fence, even if you were truely exahsted and wanted to get out you could do it in under a minute
and since people are bringing up HIAC this new PPV is going to kill what the match was ment to be used for IMO i wouldn't even bother watching it
and since people are bringing up HIAC this new PPV is going to kill what the match was ment to be used for IMO i wouldn't even bother watching it
Agreed, but they do the equivalent every week and have done for years and it has always bothered me.......
For Some reaon, Cena, MVP, The Rock, etc.. all have time, (At least 8/9 secs), to deliver their siginture elbow, fist, etc, erm, a pin just takes 3 people. How did they chil there for nearly 10 secs, but AFTER they deliver the move, you can kick out in 2!!!!!! LMAO!
The only thing I don't like about cage matches is being able to win by escaping through the side door. I think all matches should be won by climbing out of the cage.
noumenon
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It's just the fact that it's even an option. Their opponent with be down and out and instead of simply strolling out of the door they will start scaling the cage on the complete opposite site of the ring.
I very much doubt that you're not going to watch it. That's like getting a Christmas present in July and saying you're not gonna open it. If you want to bitch about it, go ahead, but don't be so ludicrous as to say you're not going to watch it.
Everyone is complaining about the HIAC ppv. Yes, it does make the match seem less special but why bitch about it? You're going to get atleast one a year regardless if they have a ppv for it or not, the only difference now is that you know when you're going to get it. It's not like every single match will be contested in the cage. Instead of being so negative about it, you guys should be happy you're getting it. It's like saying "Dammit, I'm getting more then my money's worth. Dam you, WWE! >.<"
Airfixx
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^^^You're missing the point that having such a gimmick defined PPV will force WWE to use the HIAC regardless of whether the fued warrants it.
Similar to the Elimination Chamber.... "It's Feb.. Time to gather up 5 guys regardless of what programs, if any, they're involved in"... I mean look at last year... Knox, Kofi... Year before Khali, Daddy V... Hardly the merging of storylines that was the first few EC's. Also worth noting is how it's dented the prestige of the Royal Rumble win.
Also, see the way they were forced to majorly blow the potential of the Punk/Taker fued by succumbing to the Breaking Point submissions gimmick.... No-one can tell me that that shouldn't have been a standard match for the fued opener... Punk could have heeled of his own accord to protect the title and force a rematch thus prolonging the fued without the screwjob (which thus far has transpired to be a hastily conceived and poorly told storyline).
I completely understand that's it's a scheme that allows for easier branding, marketing and recognition of individual PPVs, but apart from maybe a mere few more PPV buys from the casual fans, it's gonna force fueds throughout the year to progress a certain way to the point that if they stick with the same gimmicks over the coming years we'll be left with a predictable blueprint for the entire WWE year.
Similar to the Elimination Chamber.... "It's Feb.. Time to gather up 5 guys regardless of what programs, if any, they're involved in"... I mean look at last year... Knox, Kofi... Year before Khali, Daddy V... Hardly the merging of storylines that was the first few EC's. Also worth noting is how it's dented the prestige of the Royal Rumble win.
Also, see the way they were forced to majorly blow the potential of the Punk/Taker fued by succumbing to the Breaking Point submissions gimmick.... No-one can tell me that that shouldn't have been a standard match for the fued opener... Punk could have heeled of his own accord to protect the title and force a rematch thus prolonging the fued without the screwjob (which thus far has transpired to be a hastily conceived and poorly told storyline).
I completely understand that's it's a scheme that allows for easier branding, marketing and recognition of individual PPVs, but apart from maybe a mere few more PPV buys from the casual fans, it's gonna force fueds throughout the year to progress a certain way to the point that if they stick with the same gimmicks over the coming years we'll be left with a predictable blueprint for the entire WWE year.
I very much doubt that you're not going to watch it. That's like getting a Christmas present in July and saying you're not gonna open it. If you want to bitch about it, go ahead, but don't be so ludicrous as to say you're not going to watch it.
Everyone is complaining about the HIAC ppv. Yes, it does make the match seem less special but why bitch about it? You're going to get atleast one a year regardless if they have a ppv for it or not, the only difference now is that you know when you're going to get it. It's not like every single match will be contested in the cage. Instead of being so negative about it, you guys should be happy you're getting it. It's like saying "Dammit, I'm getting more then my money's worth. Dam you, WWE! >.<"
but heres the thing look at how many new comers are just being thrown into the cell ( kofi, miz, priceless, ect.) And along with the PG shit these matchs are all just going to flat out suck
Airfixx
Guest
Kofi Kingston was not in the match. As for the 2008 Elimination Chamber matches, BDV and Khali were Upper Midcard-Main Eventers. They're certainly not the best wrestlers out there, but the star power is there. However, I do agree that there are too many chamber matches at No Way Out as I believe there are too many taking place at Hell In a Cell. I believe it'd be beneficial to WWE if they were to cut the chamber matches down to 1 and the Hell In a Cell to 1, maybe even 2.
I don't see how the prestige of the Royal Rumble was cut down by the Chamber matches at NWO. The first year they tried it, yes, because they threw away Cena's RR victory at NWO, but 2009's and onward will not affect the Rumble at all, imo. Where they have a cage match or not at the NWO ppv in no way affects the prestige of the Rumble. Regardless of a cage match taking place or not the ppv after the Rumble, there will still be several title matches and therein lies your problem w/ the prestige of the Rumble.
I completely agree w/ you on The Punk/Taker Submission match.
As for having a predictable year.. Predictability is not always a bad thing. Remember Taker vs HBK or Flair vs HBK? The majority of the viewers knew who was going to win in those matches but that didn't take much away from the match. I'm sure everyone was happy at the end of each match even though they knew who was going to go over. The same could be said about WWE's overall yearly product. As long as they can keep it interesting and have the occasional swerve/surprise, I'm sure it won't be much of a problem.
The U.S. Title match isn't going to be in the Hell In A Cell.
Overall, I think fans are making Hell In A Cell out to be more of a problem then it actually is.
Airfixx
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He was on the original line-up for the match and right up until Edge attacked him he was being promoted as being part of the match. Bearing in mind osme of the point I have made relate to the business end of things, then my mentioning Kofi is entirely relevant.... They PROMOTED the match, in part, on Kofi's presence as a competitor.
The star power wasn't there.
Where is Big Daddy V now(*)? ....Where has he ever been since 1995 (As Mabel)? As for Khali, he was a totally heat-less presence by that point in time.
(*Pretty sure he was, in fact, released shortly after WM24; a mere month or two later.)
I don't beleive I specifically said there were "too many" @ NWO, so I assume you're not agreeing with me.
That said all of this is very odd becasue your original argument was that the gimmick matches made the PPV better value for money (regardless of booking issues I mentioned and whether the fueds warrantd such a match).... I call that a fundamental contradiction.
Please explain how RR/Cena v Orton @ last years NWO had ANYTHING to do with the actual EChamber matches.
As for how the prestige of the rumble is/was affected...
The Rumble has been THEE ticket to a WM main event since 1993.... Having to (potentially) go through 29 other guys (the majority of the roster) to a spot in the biggest match of the year makes total sense. Having guys seemingly randomly picked for a WM contenders EC match (like they were in 2008) at the very next PPV makes the efforts of the guy that went through 30 guys to get his title shot rather un-necessary and rather stupid.
Never trust an internet psychic! : P
Granted, you're right, the second title match does pose a problem/question, BUT that doesn't change the ramifications of WWE's 'solution' to this quandry. In addition, you've conveniently glossed over the other side of this matter which the way an uber-gimmick match like the EC being used for mere contender purposes also cheapens THAT so-called 'special' match...
Good, I'd be rather concerned if you didn't.
(You may also wanna consider the fact that HIAC is a totally inappropriate match type for what is Orton's standard contractua rematch having just dropped the title.)
They are two examples of probably the 2 biggest matches in WWE in recent years (one storyline with a 17 year hostory and the other with, what, 4 decades coming to a head!) yet regardless still fails to address the fact that the entire WWE calendar and how the fueds develope will now be confined to a strict annual format.
No it can't (see above).
...Christ! ...and how long exactly are peeps gonna remain interested in the product if it's totally predictable.
C'est la vie....
I think one particular fan is content to refute logic and just conclude "Whooo! Kick-ass matches" yet all the while said matches won't remain special or kick-ass if they're over-used, abused or wasted.
Remember, HIAC or EC aren't a guarantee of an awesome match.... Without the right build, the right fued, the right booking, the right performers and the right performances they'll deliver fuck all; no different to the most botch-riden 2-minute opener in some shitty school hall somewhere..... And, dipsite you're originally infering so, shitty matches DON'T equal value for money.
a cage match is a cage match.... thing is that they are so fucking toned down nowadays than the poor booking has taken away the danger factor by over using the gimmick matches....
For me the cage matches of recent times are nothing compared to those of old... when I think cage match I think of Magnum TA Vs Tully Blanchard at Starrcade... now that was a cage match... where they hate each others guts, and try ripping them out....
there's simply not enough danger factor now, no blood, no OMG moments...
overused=zero cred
For me the cage matches of recent times are nothing compared to those of old... when I think cage match I think of Magnum TA Vs Tully Blanchard at Starrcade... now that was a cage match... where they hate each others guts, and try ripping them out....
there's simply not enough danger factor now, no blood, no OMG moments...
overused=zero cred