best player in the world if messi and ronaldo didnt exist

[Senhor Perfect]

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but do you even watch la Liga Senhor? Do you even watch Iniesta's games? And I don't mean once in a while so you can cast a judgement, I mean do you watch more or less each and every single game Iniesta is in? If you do not, then your opinion of him as a player -- and a comparison to one of the greatest who you clearly watched -- can not be as accurate as it can possibly be.

Yes I do watch La Liga when I can, it's impossible for me to watch every game. Just like when Zidane played I couldn't watch every single game. I have, however, seen all of their national team tournament games so I think it allows me to have an opinion on the subject

Please tell me what Iniesta lacks in his skill set that Zidane had? Please do not mention size because it is irrelevant. Iniesta being small now is an advantage, like Zidane being bigger was an advantage in his time. Football has evolved. The invincible Arsenal team were a team of big players who were technically gifted, and they dominated English football. Now football is dominated by smaller players with a lower sense of gravity, who are quick on the ball and more agile. Bigger players are struggling in terms of being on the same level technically as the smaller ones. You have a few specials like Ronaldo who can counter that argument, but the vast majority are smaller players. So size is meaningless in this debate, and so is the "perfect athlete" argument as Ronaldo is a far superior athlete to Messi, but isn't the best in the world...

IMO it is relevant, physical play on the defensive end and in the box can play a very important role. I believe you could place Zidane at any position on the pitch and he would excel. Could you see Iniesta excelling as a CB or a CF? I personally do not. I realize that the midfield is the most difficult position to play, but we are talking overall skill.

For the record: The leading Spanish analyst (in terms of valuable opinion anyway) agrees with my Iniesta argument. I know that has no relevance here really, but I just want people to know this isn't me spitting out random crap; it's something that is being argued on the biggest stage.

Spanish analyst, no chance he is biased is there? :george:

Also, lastly, Zidane said himself Iniesta is as good as him.

Probably because he is a humble superman who is willing to pass the torch.

 

[Crayo]

Yes I do watch La Liga when I can, it's impossible for me to watch every game. Just like when Zidane played I couldn't watch every single game. I have, however, seen all of their national team tournament games so I think it allows me to have an opinion on the subject

You watch few games so I do think it affects your judgement personally.

IMO it is relevant, physical play on the defensive end and in the box can play a very important role. I believe you could place Zidane at any position on the pitch and he would excel. Could you see Iniesta excelling as a CB or a CF? I personally do not. I realize that the midfield is the most difficult position to play, but we are talking overall skill.

That has nothing to do with anything. It's like me saying Phil Jones is better than Ronaldo because he can play more positions. We're talking about Zidane as a midfielder, we're not talking about any of these guys as defenders or players that NEED to be versatile.

Spanish analyst, no chance he is biased is there? :george:

"Oh look, an analyst who's from the same country as one of the greatest players ever -- MUST BE BIAS." - That ideology is lame man, very lame. For the record, English analysts have said the same thing. The reason I mentioned the Spanish analyst is that it is his job to analyse La Liga every single week and has done since the Zidane era; his opinion is naturally held in a very high regard in this topic.

Probably because he is a humble superman who is willing to pass the torch.

:facepalm:

 

[Senhor Perfect]

You watch few games so I do think it affects your judgement personally.


That has nothing to do with anything. It's like me saying Phil Jones is better than Ronaldo because he can play more positions. We're talking about Zidane as a midfielder, we're not talking about any of these guys as defenders or players that NEED to be versatile.


"Oh look, an analyst who's from the same country as one of the greatest players ever -- MUST BE BIAS." - That ideology is lame man, very lame. For the record, English analysts have said the same thing. The reason I mentioned the Spanish analyst is that it is his job to analyse La Liga every single week and has done since the Zidane era; his opinion is naturally held in a very high regard in this topic.


:facepalm:

I'm old and tired, I can argue all day but is anything I say going to change your mind? I know nothing you say will change mine. So let's call it a draw.

Spoiler

P.S. :finger:

 

[Crayo]

Deal :tough:

Spoiler

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[Gav back in the championship]

there both very difficult to separate all i can come up with is zidane is the bigger goal threat as hes scored more goals not sure how they compare assists wise though

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anyway back on topic as it seems pretty unanimous with iniesta lets take him out of the equation aswell my vote would go to rvp

 

[Crayo]

there both very difficult to separate all i can come up with is zidane is the bigger goal threat as hes scored more goals not sure how they compare assists wise though

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anyway back on topic as it seems pretty unanimous with iniesta lets take him out of the equation aswell my vote would go to rvp

With Iniesta taken out of the equation I too would go with RVP. Xavi is close but for me RVP takes it.

 

[JeebaK]

Iniesta currently.

But comparing him to Zidane? Bitch please :') Zidane is better than both Ronaldo and Messi. Iniesta cant control the play hes a winger, Zidane can. Zidane can carry average teams to World Cup finals, iniesta cant, he has guys like xavi and alonso and he needs them too, 90% of his game is in the in the final third of the opponents half, zidane can build the play from his own half and at the same time be equally destructive in opponents final third.

Crayo please stop posting in the football section, reading your posts insults my intelligence.

 

[Crayo]

Iniesta cant control the play hes a winger,

Watch La Liga, you moron.

 

[Saylor]

Iniesta, defiantly.

 

[Robbie Coletrain]

Crayo please stop posting in the football section, reading your posts insults my intelligence.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah wtf?

Changing to RVP or Xavi btw.

 

[Gav back in the championship]

can anyone make a case for bale i can't but some seem to think he is up there

 

[Crayo]

can anyone make a case for bale i can't but some seem to think he is up there

English media are listing him in the same league as Messi and Ronaldo for some reason. He's a great player and one of the worlds best prospects, but he is not on that level yet until he performs this way consistently.

 

[Jose Tortilla]

Iniesta.

Close mentions if more experienced and tested in other leagues maybe Neymar and Götze.

 

[JeebaK]

Watch La Liga, you moron.

:haha:

The similarity between us is that we both watch it.
The difference between us is that i understand it and u dont.

ity:

 

[Zach]

Lol you rate Perisic over Iniesta?

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IGHi6psHVPc
Thanks for playing, chump

Lol @"JeebaK"